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Radulov 6mil isn't fine, he is ~ palat (different styles but similar level)
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Radulov 6mil isn't fine, he is ~ palat (different styles but similar level)
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
Todd1a
Kucherov or prospect
How I see it
X-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-TJ-X
Killorn probably has the inside track on the triplet line, and then one of Namestnikov or Point win a spot on the Stamkos line.
Until July 1st, I'm still holding out hope we can flip Killorn. Very doubtful it happens, even with rumors swirling earlier this month.
Kovalchuck-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-TJ-Point
versus
Namestnikov-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-TJ-Killorn
There is no comparison
X-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-TJ-X
Killorn probably has the inside track on the triplet line, and then one of Namestnikov or Point win a spot on the Stamkos line.
Until July 1st, I'm still holding out hope we can flip Killorn. Very doubtful it happens, even with rumors swirling earlier this month.
Kovalchuck-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-TJ-Point
versus
Namestnikov-Stamkos-Kucherov
Palat-TJ-Killorn
There is no comparison
Stammertime91
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Keep dreaming? Todd, Yzerman has traded for or signed Gagne, Carle, Stralman, Callahan, Boyle, Bishop, Garrison, Coburn, etc at times when we absolutely needed help in those departments. Some have backfired because of term much like signing Radulov to his demand of 6 years. That would be foolish. Though signing him or Oshie for 3 years at reasonable prices isn't ludicrous to consider. Yzerman knows we lack a forward and defenseman to propel this team forward.
Point is, it's very possible we come away with one of these bigger names. Ultimately, the problem will come down to handing one of these bigger names a ridiculous amount of years and/or money.
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Stammertime91
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This is really what I'm hoping for. The defense can be bolstered through a trade and the forward group by FA.
Like RSchmitz said, that's quite a difference in top 6 lineups between the two. One says, let's win a cup and the other says, let's cement our place as pretenders and not contenders. I have no problem with Point being in the top 6 but to roll with Names or Killorn as the final spot in the top 6, well, hold on cause it's going to be a pretty rough year.
I know I've said it a few times in these threads but this is my list of preferred forwards...
1. Kovalchuk for 2 years
2. Marleau for 2 years
3. Oshie for 3 years
4. Radulov for 3 years
Radulov is basically a no go as his asking price is just laughable. He might as well go back to the KHL after that demand was released. I feel bad for the fanbase whose GM signs that contract (Please don't Steve). Options 1-3 are ideal especially if moving Killorn for a defenseman cheaper than him becomes a possibility.
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I honestly think that getting a fully healthy Stammer back will make the biggest difference to the team regardless of who we add.
But seeing Kovalchuck on the first line gets me super excited. I'd love to have him. If the price is right of course.
That's weird since he has never been a 30 goal scorer since leaving junior.
Do you not think Stamkos is the fix to our top 6 woes? Getting him back will help and it also slots Point at 3C which improves the 3rd line and Gourde can make the 4th line effective. Last year was the first season Oshie has ever hit 30 goals, he's also 30 years old and will want 6 years. He's a 20-25 goal guy, would be nice for a few years but not 6, not worth it.
Yep, Stammer is the difference between being a bubble team and a top seeded contender.
I throw his name out there, but there are so many hurdles that need to be climbed before Kovalchuk is a realistic option.
On another tangent, if Yzerman does go after Shattenkirk(or any other offensive minded RHD), Kovalchuk is also a righty shot who would benefit greatly from a RHD at the point. They can work the cycle much more efficiently as Stamkos likes to float around the front of the net for rebounds.
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That's why I'd like Oshie for three years but I know that's unlikely. He's going to look for something close to Radulov, maybe not as rich in money, but close enough. I think he's a pretty damn good player and basically an effective Callahan. He can hit, score and set up some nifty goals. A 25 goal guy is what we need. We are not going to beat Pittsburgh with only the return of Stamkos. I think he can help if he isn't injured again of course. That's probably a good 30-40 goals we missed this past year from him (though others would have less yes I understand), but I think adding a guy on the left wing in the top 6 could help loads. Right now we look good enough for the playoffs, not good enough for the cup.
Unfortunately the four guys I listed above probably won't happen. Oshie and Radulov would cost too much for too long and Kovalchuk is wishful thinking unless Yzerman waves a wand. This brings us to Marleau. He's the ideal fit considering he's got the speed and ability to score 25-30 goals. He also wouldn't be a long term solution, so it just bides time for somebody to step in by 2019. He also wouldn't cost as much as Kovalchuk or Radulov. He's maybe around the 5-6 million mark. I wouldn't mind that for what he brings. He's nearly a 25 x 25 point guy that doesn't have a history of missing games. That's ideal. Even if it's for one year it stills strengthens the forwards. As it is now, I feel like we are one 25 goal scorer and a 3/4 defenseman from knocking Pittsburgh on their was. I just hope we do it sometime soon to be quite honest.
Also, I think Point being on the 3rd would be great depth but who goes in the top 6? Stamkos, Kucherov, Johnson, Palat and who are the other two? Point should be on the 2nd and Gourde on the 3rd. Gourde having 4th line minutes I feel would be a waste of his ability.
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Don't think we could land Kovalchuk AND a top 4 defenseman. At that point we go with what we have and roll the dice. If we get Marleau or somebody through a trade for example around 5-6m, a Brodin type defenseman would be plausible, but I think Shattenkirk would be too much. Haven't crunched the numbers since the last two moves so I could be wrong.
I hope we don't go into the season with Namestnikov/Point and Killorn on the top 6. I don't necessarily think that means overpaying for an Oshie though.
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Moreso than a big dollar amount or cap hit, I don't think we can afford the term that any TOP UFAs will receive. Need to keep some cap liquid for Kucherov and Point extensions.
The UFA pool of defensemen is shallow enough to necessitate a trade if we want to improve on that front. I wouldn't want to lock in long term on any of the defense likely getting the biggest deals this offseason (Shattenkirk, Alzner, Stone, Kulikov, Smith). Beyond them are a bunch of guys with issues as significant as any drawback Sustr or Koekkoek have (Campbell, Franson, Despres, Beauchemin, Tyutin, Daley, Streit, Hainsey, etc.). Overall I hope we don't sign any UFA defensemen unless it is a dirt cheap reclamation project right before camp starts to push the aforementioned Sustr and Koekkoek in to competing harder for their jobs.
I am much less worried in our ability to add a complementary winger or two out of free agency. Again, I don't think term will allow Yzerman to be in on any of the top guys (Oshie, Radulov, Kovalchuk). But below the top is a wide variety of wings with warts that could fit in on a one or two year deal. Marleau, Vanek, Williams, Sharp, Stafford, Jagr, Iginla, Doan, Eaves, Vrbata, Versteeg, Hemsky, Gagner, Boyle, Kunitz, etc. Re-signing Gourde, adding a decent depth forward, and signing all the RFA's should be the easier part of the offseason. Measurably improving the defense beyond what we already have seems the biggest challenge.
The UFA pool of defensemen is shallow enough to necessitate a trade if we want to improve on that front. I wouldn't want to lock in long term on any of the defense likely getting the biggest deals this offseason (Shattenkirk, Alzner, Stone, Kulikov, Smith). Beyond them are a bunch of guys with issues as significant as any drawback Sustr or Koekkoek have (Campbell, Franson, Despres, Beauchemin, Tyutin, Daley, Streit, Hainsey, etc.). Overall I hope we don't sign any UFA defensemen unless it is a dirt cheap reclamation project right before camp starts to push the aforementioned Sustr and Koekkoek in to competing harder for their jobs.
I am much less worried in our ability to add a complementary winger or two out of free agency. Again, I don't think term will allow Yzerman to be in on any of the top guys (Oshie, Radulov, Kovalchuk). But below the top is a wide variety of wings with warts that could fit in on a one or two year deal. Marleau, Vanek, Williams, Sharp, Stafford, Jagr, Iginla, Doan, Eaves, Vrbata, Versteeg, Hemsky, Gagner, Boyle, Kunitz, etc. Re-signing Gourde, adding a decent depth forward, and signing all the RFA's should be the easier part of the offseason. Measurably improving the defense beyond what we already have seems the biggest challenge.
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Lol Sam Gagner... imagine you're him and Yzerman approaches you.
"Nah I'm good"
Versteeg would be a pretty good pick up. I'd be down with Eaves and Hemsky as well but they both have their problems as well. Eaves is going to want quite a bit after this career and one of a kind season and Hemsky is like glass. Both would be good fits but those issues are somewhat of a caution.
We need someone with a long history of being durable and not missing games, you know.
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Versteeg would be a pretty good pick up. I'd be down with Eaves and Hemsky as well but they both have their problems as well. Eaves is going to want quite a bit after this career and one of a kind season and Hemsky is like glass. Both would be good fits but those issues are somewhat of a caution.
We need someone with a long history of being durable and not missing games, you know.
With the recent moves (Garrison, Filppula, Boyle) we got really, really young again.
I don't think that's a bad thing though. We could have a prospect or two ready. This team has been at its best in recent years when relying on youth, energy, and hunger. Wouldn't mind Cirelli or Stephens getting a serious look.
I don't think that's a bad thing though. We could have a prospect or two ready. This team has been at its best in recent years when relying on youth, energy, and hunger. Wouldn't mind Cirelli or Stephens getting a serious look.
I'm with you on that option. It's grown on me throughout the day. The main benefit of bringing Marleau, or I guess any useful veteran, is we can at least control the term on their contract. Sort of like a Sami Salo situation again. A stop gap until somebody else is ready to take over the role.
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