Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[Chili Goal]

It's usually more than 15 games a season and he's getting older.

07-08: 72
08-09: 74
09-10: 81, 7/7 playoff games
10-11: 61, 4/4 playoff games
11-12: 64, 12/16 playoff games
12-13: 39, lockout season
13-14: 65
14-15: 37
15-16: 64
16-17: 71, 5/5 playoff games

Given that Malkin hasn't hit 70 regular season games in years and that the Pens are an injury prone team it's a pretty big deal.

if Hanzal misses 15 games a year elsewhere, he'd miss at least 35 playing here.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Steve Mason is available. Although he wants to be a starter. Likely a no go.

 

[888 98 twins]

Another thing with Hanzal is that he may not want to play 3rd fiddle on a team. He may want a bigger role.

Maybe. But you'd think after years of toiling in the desert he'd want a good chance at a Cup.

 

[Nakawick]

A team is going to offer Bonino stupid money, my guess is 4 years for a total of $15 million. Hopefully JR can sign him for 3 years at around $3.5-3.75 mil.

Go Pens

So many teams looking for C's and so few availible. Hard to see less than a 5 year term for either Bones and Hanzal. They could get something close to Backes/Ladd/Okposo type contracts.

 

[Tender Rip]

You do realize we're one of the oldest clubs in the league and still would be with Sid 30, Kessel, 30, Malkin, 31, Horny, 30, Reaves, 30, Letang, 30...

Yes - at this point of writing we have an enormously homogenous group with most everyone in or around their prime.
But I don't believe that we will be "old" compared to any genuine rivals if you look at players actually signed for next season.

http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

Scroll down a bit and you'll find age break downs from last season, where we had the 5th oldest team (weighted average looking at who actually played and how much), just ahead of Ottawa and Nashville, with Caps also in the "top 10" to mention a few of the other successful teams.
Even if you look at the future teams such as Edmonton, Toronto and Tampa, their average age was just 1 year and change younger than ours, and this is before us looking like shedding most the seniors.
Columbus btw. was the only genuinely young team that didn't suck.


Anyway, what I am saying is that for shorter term contracts, it doesn't matter that you add a +30 player or two to a team that is contending right now, as long as those players can play and fit our needs and we have enough hungry youth that push them.

Also there is actually a difference (usually) between guys just around 30 and those at or on the other side of 35. Don't discount the importance of Dad, Kunitz, Hainsey, Daley and such in our room. I think our core is mature and pro enough that it is not explicitly needed, but at the same time I would certainly welcome having a grizzled vet or two with personality (who can play) on the roster.

 

[clefty]

It's usually more than 15 games a season and he's getting older.

07-08: 72
08-09: 74
09-10: 81, 7/7 playoff games
10-11: 61, 4/4 playoff games
11-12: 64, 12/16 playoff games
12-13: 39, lockout season
13-14: 65
14-15: 37
15-16: 64
16-17: 71, 5/5 playoff games

Given that Malkin hasn't hit 70 regular season games in years and that the Pens are an injury prone team it's a pretty big deal.

I mean, only five of those ten seasons total more than fifteen games missed, four of them under 20. I was just rounding off in my head. I stand by my benign guesstimation.

 

[Peat]

Hey, don't quote me, I only said eating pucks. And going by the numbers, Bonino's better at eating pucks than any other forward in the league.

I've no particular dog in Hanzal vs Bonino other than Hanzal's injuries.

 

[Nakawick]

Hey, don't quote me, I only said eating pucks. And going by the numbers, Bonino's better at eating pucks than any other forward in the league.

I've no particular dog in Hanzal vs Bonino other than Hanzal's injuries.

I am a fan of both. I hope they get big big bucks to play on other teams in the east.

 

[molon labe]

So many teams looking for C's and so few availible. Hard to see less than a 5 year term for either Bones and Hanzal. They could get something close to Backes/Ladd/Okposo type contracts.

Correct. Could very very easily see more than just a couple teams willing to go term on Bonino. He has 2 straight years with deep playoff runs, including 2016 where he was a talking point. The guy isn't signing somewhere on a 2-3 year deal no way. This is the height of his career and expect his agent to cash him in.

There are more than just a few teams looking for C depth.

 

[Tender Rip]

Honestly, Bones is the better player versus Hanzal and I honestly don't care about term. We can get rid of him even if it means packaging him with someone as long as we don't pay him over 4.5 mil. Hanzal is the type of player that would get hurt and just simply not be there or a shell of himself. I think it is very telling the Wild GM was willing to come out and say he regrets trading for him.

What do you base this "better player" on?
Because other than being traditionally more durable and a better shot blocker, I honestly don't know what you'd be referring to.

To me it is obvious that Hanzal is superior, and markedly so. He has just been playing on a crap team since forever, where he has often been asked to not only stop the oppositions best players but also drive the offense. And just like Jordan Staal, he is not that player. Doesn't stop him from being a very good 2nd line shut down C who can score some, whereas Bonino will usually be out of his depth playing above the third.

The only concern with Hanzal is term if we have the cap-room to fit him in. That back of his won't last forever.

 

[PensPlz]

Bonino won 2 cups. That's enough for a career. I don't blame him for a second for wanting to get paid and not worrying if the team he' signing to is going to be a cup contender or not.

Hope he gets paid. But also hope he stays here for 3.5. So. Who knows.

 

[mpp9]

Brandon Sutter got 4.375 for 5 years without even going to market. Bonino's won two Cups since that contract was inked. We're not getting Bonino for anything with a 3 in front of it.

Nashville could offer more money and a bigger role and on a contending team. MTL could offer him the moon. And if Radulov jets, they'll be in panic mode even more.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Brandon Sutter got 4.375 for 5 years without even going to market. Bonino's won two Cups since that contract was inked. We're not getting Bonino for anything with a 3 in front of it.

Nashville could offer more money and a bigger role and on a contending team. MTL could offer him the moon. And if Radulov jets, they'll be in panic mode even more.

I don't think the market is gauged by Benning's idiocy, though. Any comparison to the Sutter contract assumes the other 30 GMs are as dumb as him.

Having said that, I could see a team like Nashville go for him. They've got very little behind Johansen. That's basically their only hole in their lineup.

 

[ColePens]

A good week of hockey isn't worth 4 mill a season. The Pens would be wise to move on from Bonino.

I think Bones is a really solid 3C. One of the better ones in the NHL. But he had a pretty ****** season and I thought he was average at best in the postseason. Never dangerous. I'm impartial to it all. If he re-signs at a fair price - cool. If he doesn't - cool. I would be very content in the 3.5 - 3.85 range. 4 is where it starts to suck. Someone is going to give him 4.5-5 IMO on the market.

His shot blocking and point production is going to be a huge loss. Especially his shot blocking. Dude was more of a human shield than Kuhn. Doesn't get enough love for his shot blocking.

 

[Your Boy Troy]

Along the lines of a project, I would not mind signing Peter Holland to a cheap one-year deal. If his performances are inadequate - he is an elite center for WBS. Capable of killing penalties (though he is not very good at it and gets beat in the faceoff circle more often than not). Size, some talent offensively, and does not mind throwing his body around when called upon.

 

[Andy99]

I don't think the market is gauged by Benning's idiocy, though. Any comparison to the Sutter contract assumes the other 30 GMs are as dumb as him.

Having said that, I could see a team like Nashville go for him. They've got very little behind Johansen. That's basically their only hole in their lineup.

Besides Fisher, who will return, they also have Jarnkrok and Sissons both of whom they like. I don't see a place for Bones there unless Fisher is not returning

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think Bones is a really solid 3C. One of the better ones in the NHL. But he had a pretty ****** season and I thought he was average at best in the postseason. Never dangerous. I'm impartial to it all. If he re-signs at a fair price - cool. If he doesn't - cool. I would be very content in the 3.5 - 3.85 range. 4 is where it starts to suck. Someone is going to give him 4.5-5 IMO on the market.

His shot blocking and point production is going to be a huge loss. Especially his shot blocking. Dude was more of a human shield than Kuhn. Doesn't get enough love for his shot blocking.

His struggles for much of the regular season are hard to overlook. He was bad for like the first 70 games, then turned it up at the end. He then was decent in the playoffs (good defensively, meh offensively). So it's hard to be super pumped about giving him big bucks to return.

On the flip side, I don't know how much of that perception is skewed by how good our 1C and 2C are. Maybe what Bonino does is the norm, rather than the exception, when it comes to 3Cs, but it just looks like he barely produces because he's compared to Superman and Batman ahead of him.

 

[ColePens]

It sucks to admit but Bozak is legit one of the best possible situations. Would love to see him and Kessel light it up.

 

[SHOOTANDSCORE]

I think Bones is a really solid 3C. One of the better ones in the NHL. But he had a pretty ****** season and I thought he was average at best in the postseason. Never dangerous. I'm impartial to it all. If he re-signs at a fair price - cool. If he doesn't - cool. I would be very content in the 3.5 - 3.85 range. 4 is where it starts to suck. Someone is going to give him 4.5-5 IMO on the market.

His shot blocking and point production is going to be a huge loss. Especially his shot blocking. Dude was more of a human shield than Kuhn. Doesn't get enough love for his shot blocking.

This.

I don't think he gets enough credit for how well he plays the angles blocking shots. Sure, anyone can block shots but players that are almost always in that sweet spot of either blocking, or forcing the shot wide, are a real asset.

 

[SirBrad]

Christ no. Murray goes down for any length of time and Zatkoff is who we rely on? No thank you.

In that case I bet Jarry would get a fair chance to play regularly and Zatkoff would remain in the backup role.

 

[molon labe]

I think Bones is a really solid 3C. One of the better ones in the NHL. But he had a pretty ****** season and I thought he was average at best in the postseason. Never dangerous. I'm impartial to it all. If he re-signs at a fair price - cool. If he doesn't - cool. I would be very content in the 3.5 - 3.85 range. 4 is where it starts to suck. Someone is going to give him 4.5-5 IMO on the market.

His shot blocking and point production is going to be a huge loss. Especially his shot blocking. Dude was more of a human shield than Kuhn. Doesn't get enough love for his shot blocking.

Don't forget that Cole led the team in blocked shots last year and Hornqvist is known for it too. Bones will be missed in that department for sure though.

There are just too many teams wanting C depth after what the Pens have displayed for me to think this is going to happen. I'd like to see it, unless the tradeoff is Duchene (hoping Duchene is a good fit in the locker room lol) - but it's a Centerman's market right now, followed closely by defensemen.

Bones will get a 5-6 year deal somewhere no doubts in my mind. Probably in the ballpark of 4-4.75M. Blues, Habs, Vegas, Sharks, Ducks all seem like potentials - and I'm sure there are more.

 

[Bunnychow]

What do you guys think about Scandella? What do you think the cost would be?

I was thinking Sheary + 2nd Round next year? If you look at Methot and market for similar defensemen with a high price tag I don't think it's going to be be 1st + 2nd?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Besides Fisher, who will return, they also have Jarnkrok and Sissons both of whom they like. I don't see a place for Bones there unless Fisher is not returning

Jarnkrok, by Nashville fans' admission, is better suited as a 3C. Sissons had a "career playoffs", but otherwise is nothing special. And Fisher's near done as anything more than a depth guy.

So they might see Bonino as the ideal 2C. *I* don't see it that way, as I don't think Bonino produces consistently enough to be a top six center. But they might, especially with what is (or isn't) available.

 

[Brandinho]

What do you guys think about Scandella? What do you think the cost would be?

I was thinking Sheary + 2nd Round next year? If you look at Methot and market for similar defensemen with a high price tag I don't think it's going to be be 1st + 2nd?

I'm not sure how you figure that a very late first is worth more than Sheary. Other way around IMO.

 

[Andy99]

What do you guys think about Scandella? What do you think the cost would be?

I was thinking Sheary + 2nd Round next year? If you look at Methot and market for similar defensemen with a high price tag I don't think it's going to be be 1st + 2nd?

I don't think he's a good enough skater and transition-driver to play for this team. Pass