Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread V | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[SweetStache]

So nhl.com listed the top wings available and possible landing spots. We were mentioned for 2. Chris Kunitz and.....Jerome Iginla.

Now I don't honestly think a 40 year old iggy has a place here, due to our plethora of RW and his decline, but him as a 3rd/4th liner with some skill would be intriguing. Him on a 4th line with reaves would be fun, but I doubt reaves plays LW much.

Anyway, not gonna happen but figured I'd mention it if it wasn't already.

How about Iggy and Jumbo each sign 1 year 1MM deals to play on the Pens 3rd line. Resign Cullen and become the oldest team to win a cup.

 

[Son Goku]

No Iginla, he's literally been done for three years. We got him four years ago when he was legit only a Power Play specialist, that's the only place he could be semi effective.

 

[Son Goku]

How about Iggy and Jumbo each sign 1 year 1MM deals to play on the Pens 3rd line. Resign Cullen and become the oldest team to win a cup.

That's a lot of HHOFers on one team

 

[Nakawick]

The Penguins don't need to dump salary to re-sign Bonino, though. The issue with re-signing Bonino at what prices he'd get in free agency is that his contract extension will be crippling down the line, not right now. If he would sign a 2 year deal at $4.5 million, I'd be fine with bringing him back even though he's over a million overpaid. The issue is that he'll want like 5 years.

Bones is probably signing something north of 20 mil, he isn't staying here for less than half that amount and term. JR's only choice would be to get within a couple mil and or a year of term and hope Bones wants to stay. Signing Bones to a long term deal at 4 mil or over would be a bad move.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

But the issue is who would give up anything of significant value for Hagelin? Just dumping him is pointless when he has had the success he has had in the past.

Well, assuming Bonino is on the Habs' radar, they might have interest in Hagelin to play with his center.

Hagelin and a couple of draft pick upgrades could land us an RFA Galchenyuk. Maybe.

It would be a risk, but I wouldn't even mind signing Galchenyuk to a one-year, prove-it deal.

 

[mpp9]

We could use some more size on Sid's line who fits in with our speed game. Kane fits that. But unless it's for something like Hagelin/Sheary+, I'd pass.

I don't think we need to fill all of our holes this offseason. But going in with Moore and Rowney as our centers, that's asking for a panic move in the winter if we don't start well. I'm cool with leaving a spot open in camp for DP/Ruh. And seein how Rowney handles 4C.

 

[mpp9]

Iginla is just awful. Dude needs to hang em up. No contending team is gonna have him and that's all there is left for him to do. He's made his money.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I was just reading stuff on the Wings board. Sounds like Holland is looking to add 2 UFA D-men. Among the four names listed: Trevor Daley, Ron Hainsey, Brian Campbell and Dan Girardi.

I'm shocked. I mean, I know Holland's reputation for signing over-the-hill players, but I thought this year it was obvious they had to let their youth play and rebuild. Apparently not.

Wow, that would be bad for them if they signed two of those guys. They'd probably lose 1-2 of their current D-men to waivers after training camp.

Anyway, I know this is kinda off-topic but I have a hard time believing how the mighty Red Wings have fallen. It is hard to hate them now, it's just sad.

Also, Detroit would be doing us a solid if they chose to sign Daley and Hainsey. Nothing against either dude, love their contributions, but it's time to move on from both.

 

[Riptide]

You know, Sheary is rather maddening to watch perform night after night. At least, to me. He frustrates the hell out of me when I watch him go into the corners, because he will win maybe 1 out of every 9 or 10 battles.

But, I don't think he will make more than Hagelin is making on Sheary's next contract.

Therefore, I'd rather deal Hagelin before Sheary.

You must not watch him very often then... because that's one of his better points about how he will frequently come out of the corners with the puck. Does he get knocked around a bit? Absolutely. But not nearly as much as you're suggesting.

 

[Gurglesons]

Honestly, I really hope we just overpay for Bonino. Even if he doesn't put up the points he is worth 4 million for being a defensive specialist and being able to step up if Malkin or Crosby go down well enough for us to be a cup contender the next three years.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

You must not watch him very often then... because that's one of his better points about how he will frequently come out of the corners with the puck. Does he get knocked around a bit? Absolutely. But not nearly as much as you're suggesting.

Not in the playoffs. Anyway, perhaps even more maddening is his inconsistency. Some nights, he looks like Paul Kariya. Some nights he looks like Chris Conner. And quite often he does not seem to be on the same page as his linemates.

But again, all in all I would keep him over Hagelin. He provides way more offense and probably won't cost as much for at least one contract.

Honestly, I really hope we just overpay for Bonino. Even if he doesn't put up the points he is worth 4 million for being a defensive specialist and being able to step up if Malkin or Crosby go down well enough for us to be a cup contender the next three years.

We should not overpay for anyone.

 

[BHD]

A good week of hockey isn't worth 4 mill a season. The Pens would be wise to move on from Bonino.

 

[mpp9]

Honestly, I really hope we just overpay for Bonino. Even if he doesn't put up the points he is worth 4 million for being a defensive specialist and being able to step up if Malkin or Crosby go down well enough for us to be a cup contender the next three years.

He's gonna get term though. No way am I risking an albatross contract during this team's window.

Kruger's 3 mil contract is an albatross contract for a 4C. 5 for Bonino would be the same for a 3C. If MTL is delusional enough to see him as an answer at center with guys like Pacioretty and Galchenyuk/Radulov, it might take more than that to "overpay" for him.

Trades are the way to go. Or get Hanzal on a short term deal if teams get scared about giving him term.

 

[Son Goku]

A good week of hockey isn't worth 4 mill a season. The Pens would be wise to move on from Bonino.

And he wasn't even that good this postseason (but it's hard to be good on one leg)

 

[Riptide]

Well, assuming Bonino is on the Habs' radar, they might have interest in Hagelin to play with his center.

Hagelin and a couple of draft pick upgrades could land us an RFA Galchenyuk. Maybe.

It would be a risk, but I wouldn't even mind signing Galchenyuk to a one-year, prove-it deal.

Uhh what? You mean the same Gally that scored 50g/102pts in the previous two seasons and produced at a 22g/59pt pace this year. Oh and yeah he's only 23.

Yeah he's going to cost a lot more than an overpriced middle six winger who's best attributes have nothing to do with offense - which is good, because that's kinda meh at best.

 

[molon labe]

Is Mike Fisher a terrible option for 3C on the Pens? Unlike Bonino - who WILL get money and term, Fisher is someone I think can be had on a 1-2 year deal, with after his playoff numbers and Nashville itching to give Subban the 'C', would probably be willing to be moved to a cup contender on quite a cheap deal.

Just a thought.

Edit: He's definitely 'old' at 37 but it's not as if Bonino, the guy he'd be replacing - is one of our speedy guys.

 

[clefty]

Some (many) may disagree citing potential cost and the fact he misses 15 games every year, but I'd be really happy to have Martin Hanzal. I have no hopes or anything, I'm just saying.

 

[Riptide]

Is Mike Fisher a terrible option for 3C on the Pens? Unlike Bonino - who WILL get money and term, Fisher is someone I think can be had on a 1-2 year deal, with after his playoff numbers and Nashville itching to give Subban the 'C', would probably be willing to be moved to a cup contender on quite a cheap deal.

Just a thought.

Edit: He's definitely 'old' at 37 but it's not as if Bonino, the guy he'd be replacing - is one of our speedy guys.

Fisher had a decent season last year and can still play. He's married to Carrie Underwood... and he's Nashville's captain. Oh and his team made it to game 6 of the Stanley Cup Finals.

Now how likely do you think it is that he'd leave Nashville?

 

[Nakawick]

Some (many) may disagree citing potential cost and the fact he misses 15 games every year, but I'd be really happy to have Martin Hanzal. I have no hopes or anything, I'm just saying.

I like Hanzal more than Bones, but Hanzal is gonna get paid.

 

[888 98 twins]

Is Mike Fisher a terrible option for 3C on the Pens? Unlike Bonino - who WILL get money and term, Fisher is someone I think can be had on a 1-2 year deal, with after his playoff numbers and Nashville itching to give Subban the 'C', would probably be willing to be moved to a cup contender on quite a cheap deal.

Just a thought.

Edit: He's definitely 'old' at 37 but it's not as if Bonino, the guy he'd be replacing - is one of our speedy guys.

Just no chance he leaves Nashville. It truly doesn't matter what he makes from playing hockey, he is better off financially than any other guy in the league by a fair margin I'd bet. He'll stay on a Cup finalist where the breadwinner of the family works most of the year.

 

[Tender Rip]

Am I the only one that cringes at the idea of bringing Daley back? I can't imagine he'd take a pay cut and I imagine he'd want a multi year deal. The Penguins really shouldn't want him back with his injury issues on a multi year deal at $3.3 million or more.

I wouldn't cringe at all before knowing numbers and term.
Daley has been good for us, and fits what we need - although perhaps not what many dream of.

It is implied - also by Rutherford - that the math will have to fit or he'll look elsewhere.

NB: Being Cullen's age - and having just seen a team with Cully, Hainsey and Kunitz win the Cup - I'd also suggest that people lay off the age fetischism a bit. Doesn't hurt to have A FEW grownups around, as long as they can play.

 

[888 98 twins]

I like Hanzal more than Bones, but Hanzal is gonna get paid.

So is Bones. If it comes down to Hanzal having a higher cap hit, but willing to take less term than Bonino, he's the guy they should target.

 

[Gurglesons]

He's gonna get term though. No way am I risking an albatross contract during this team's window.

Kruger's 3 mil contract is an albatross contract for a 4C. 5 for Bonino would be the same for a 3C. If MTL is delusional enough to see him as an answer at center with guys like Pacioretty and Galchenyuk/Radulov, it might take more than that to "overpay" for him.

Trades are the way to go. Or get Hanzal on a short term deal if teams get scared about giving him term.

4 mil x 5 years for a 29 year old is something I can stomach. I'd probably even go up to 4.5. He's the type of player teams would trade for versus Kruger.

I just don't see how we are going to get a better option without trading away Maatta which in turn creates a huge hole that we simply don't have the prospects / picks to move without moving somebody like Guentz or Sprong.

 

[Andy99]

My preferred (dream) forward lineup this year would be

Guentzel Sid Horny
Rust Malkin Sprong
Hagelin Duchene Kessel
Wilson Cullen Reaves
Rowney

That would kick ...! Some fresh legs too

While we're at it...
Dumo Letang
Cole Schultz
Schmidt Ruh

 

[mpp9]

Some (many) may disagree citing potential cost and the fact he misses 15 games every year, but I'd be really happy to have Martin Hanzal. I have no hopes or anything, I'm just saying.

Yeah I'm hoping his injuries scare teams from giving him a lot of term. I'd pay him 5 mil for a couple years. Definitely adds a dimension to the team and another net presence.