2017-18 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits

[Reaper45]

No but I'd do Clague + Shore + 2019 1st + Clifford (cap reasons) for Faulk

Muzzin--Doughty
Martinez--Faulk
Forbort--Folin

But next year....

Gaborik--Kopitar--Brown
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
Kempe--Vilardi--Brodzinski
Clifford--Amaido--Lewis

Muzzin--Doughty
Martinez--Faulk
Forbort--LaDue

Quick
Campbell

OMG!!

Man that line up is soft.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This off-season could be the opportunity for the team to make some upgrades on the blueline. I don't think we should anticipate of Slava Voynov any time soon, and some of these names may end up re-signing with their respective clubs, or moved at the trade deadline, but here's a list of names that will be available this off-season:

Browse - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
John Carlson
Zdeno Chara
Mike Green
Dan Hamhuis
Alexei Emelin
Jack Johnson
Calvin de Haan
John Moore
Kevin Bieksa
Erik Gudbranson
Ian Cole
Luca Sbisa

The rest of the list is rather unimpressive. Aside from a couple of names from that list, the Kings may be better off looking internally. From the list of UFA d-men, Carlson is the only one I'd consider giving a generous offer to.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

This off-season could be the opportunity for the team to make some upgrades on the blueline. I don't think we should anticipate of Slava Voynov any time soon, and some of these names may end up re-signing with their respective clubs, or moved at the trade deadline, but here's a list of names that will be available this off-season:

Browse - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
John Carlson
Zdeno Chara
Mike Green
Dan Hamhuis
Alexei Emelin
Jack Johnson
Calvin de Haan
John Moore
Kevin Bieksa
Erik Gudbranson
Ian Cole
Luca Sbisa

The rest of the list is rather unimpressive. Aside from a couple of names from that list, the Kings may be better off looking internally. From the list of UFA d-men, Carlson is the only one I'd consider giving a generous offer to.

Carlson could be of extra interest to the Kings since he could be Doughty's replacement either next season or the one after. Obviously he's not anywhere near as good as Doughty but he's certainly a top pairing guy that also happens to be right handed and moves the puck well.

 

[lumbergh]

Imagine where we would be right now if Vegas had selected Brown.

Behind Vegas?

 

[HookKing]

You have to ask yourself why a young team right in the middle of the playoff race would trade their co-captain/#1 defenseman for a prospect, a pick and some spare parts.

Everywhere but HFBoards.

 

[kings11]

Carlson could be of extra interest to the Kings since he could be Doughty's replacement either next season or the one after. Obviously he's not anywhere near as good as Doughty but he's certainly a top pairing guy that also happens to be right handed and moves the puck well.

It would also afford the option of trading either Muzzin or Martinez for an ELC Dman thats ready to step in.. my preference would have been Chabot but thats a long shot but you get the idea..securing Doughty which i think happens and signing Carlson gives us a huge boost.. Also, with Gaborik and Brown looking like the production is staying at its current pace we could move one to further create cap space even though its going up a few million... Add in Amadio who looks ready... wow

Just looking at what we could have defensively next season is pretty interesting...
Chara - Doughty
Forbort - Carlson
Gravel - LaDue
MacDermid
unless of course you keep one of Muzz/Marts instead of trading them...

 

[KingTrouty]

Nice job, Mike!!!

Holy shit, AHL Player of the Month.

We know Vilardi is untouchable, but Amadio just continues to mash at every stop. He has to be in the realm of top 6 FWD upside, now. In fact, I think it would be a let down if he didn't get there.

Clague, Vilardi, Amadio. Noice. If we can pull off some moves at the deadline, without touching those three, as well as any firsts, my gosh!

This is the most fun I've had watching hockey and following our beloved team since 2014.

 

[KingTrouty]

Imagine where we would be right now if Vegas had selected Brown.

It is insane. It took till like page three of "surprise players this year" on a main board topic, but he is other worldly this year.

He's quietly flying under the radar, too, which is much excite.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

It would also afford the option of trading either Muzzin or Martinez for an ELC Dman thats ready to step in.. my preference would have been Chabot but thats a long shot but you get the idea..securing Doughty which i think happens and signing Carlson gives us a huge boost.. Also, with Gaborik and Brown looking like the production is staying at its current pace we could move one to further create cap space even though its going up a few million... Add in Amadio who looks ready... wow

Just looking at what we could have defensively next season is pretty interesting...
Chara - Doughty
Forbort - Carlson
Gravel - LaDue
MacDermid
unless of course you keep one of Muzz/Marts instead of trading them...

I still highly doubt anyone takes Gaborik or Brown without the Kings giving up something of great value to the opposing team. Gaborik, maaaybe because I don't see him playing all 3 years left on his contract. So really you're looking at 2 (after this season) and IF he can stay healthy, which is always a huge if, he's a legitimate 20 goal, 40-50 point guy. Brown? I doubt anyone would take him still.

And while I'll admit I'm a big Muzzin supporter, I'd rather have him than Chara on the top pair. Chara will be 41 at the start of next season. I know you're not saying sign him more than a year but I still wouldn't sign him to anything more than a 2nd/3rd pair guy/PK specialist.

 

[KingTrouty]

Carlson could be of extra interest to the Kings since he could be Doughty's replacement either next season or the one after. Obviously he's not anywhere near as good as Doughty but he's certainly a top pairing guy that also happens to be right handed and moves the puck well.

Doughty isn't going anywhere, Sox, my brother.

 

[KingTrouty]

Muzzin and AMart have ice water in their veins. They're winners.

You guys want to trade AMart so often, its so funny and cute. The dude plays off hand often, is so damned solid for his size and our scheme -- and still these dumb f*** trade AMart posts.

THEN in the same breath we trade for m0R3 D!!!1!!!!!1

LOL

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Doughty isn't going anywhere, Sox, my brother.

I doubt it but it's just insurance just in case. You never know. Maybe Lewis steals Doughty's dog and pisses Doughty off so much he runs off to Toronto.

 

[kings11]

Muzzin and AMart have ice water in their veins. They're winners.

You guys want to trade AMart so often, its so funny and cute. The dude plays off hand often, is so damned solid for his size and our scheme -- and still these dumb **** trade AMart posts.

THEN in the same breath we trade for m0R3 D!!!1!!!!!1

LOL

Do you understand the proposal?? It isn’t that he can’t stay but rather the options available to the Kings.... for example, say we sign John Carlson then the logical step would be to trade Muzzin or Martinez to have extra cap space while obtaining additional assets.. keep Amart and skip on Chara and that’s resolved.. however, keep in mind his age, style of play and his decline in production .. trade Muzzin for assets and now you have an easier path towards moving a Marian Gaborik..
Forbort - Doughty
Martinez - Carlson
Gravel - LaDue - MacDermid- Clague - UFA

 

[KingTrouty]

Does your dumb$&@ understand the proposal?? It isn’t that he can’t stay genius but rather the options available to the Kings.... for example, say we sign John Carlson then the logical step would be to trade Muzzin or Martinez to have extra cap space while obtaining additional assets.. keep Amart and skip on Chara and that’s resolved.. however, keep in mind his age, style of play and his decline in production .. trade Muzzin for assets and now you have an easier path towards moving a Marian Gaborik..
Forbort - Doughty
Martinez - Carlson
Gravel - LaDue - MacDermid- Clague - UFA

We have cap space. Stop trying to make a trade for the sake of the trade. Sit on your hands. We shouldn't be trading Martinez (or Muzz). They are both low CAP hit players, and trading them to only refill the same slot is inane.

We need to add a solid D, not lose one or cancel one out.

 

[kings11]

We have cap space. Stop trying to make a trade for the sake of the trade. Sit on your hands. We shouldn't be trading Martinez (or Muzz). They are both low CAP hit players, and trading them to only refill the same slot is inane.

Maybe you like the way Muzzin runs hot and cold but for my taste I would like someone more solid and Carlson fits the bill and is a few years younger... I think we can both agree we have a nice influx of forward talent that will come up over the next 2-3 seasons but we sorely lack that talent on the defensive end...
Carlson also allows Martinez to go back to his natural position at a premium of $2.5-$3 million... add the fact that JC is pretty damn good on the PP and we help solve another team weakness...
Speaking for myself, the Kings are built around Doughty, Quick and Kopitar... then, Toffoli, Pearson, Kempe...
As for your assessment that signing Carlson and trading Muzzin doesn’t really solve anything.. well the fact is Carlson is much, much better than Muzzin and as I stated above he would help improve current weaknesses of the team.. Doughty can carry anyone as can Carlson so possibly having Martinez on the 3rd pairing would go a long way toward solidifying our defensive Corps.

 

[KingTrouty]

Maybe you like the way Muzzin runs hot and cold but for my taste I would like someone more solid and Carlson fits the bill and is a few years younger... I think we can both agree we have a nice influx of forward talent that will come up over the next 2-3 seasons but we sorely lack that talent on the defensive end...
Carlson also allows Martinez to go back to his natural position at a premium of $2.5-$3 million... add the fact that JC is pretty damn good on the PP and we help solve another team weakness...
Speaking for myself, the Kings are built around Doughty, Quick and Kopitar... then, Toffoli, Pearson, Kempe...
As for your assessment that signing Carlson and trading Muzzin doesn’t really solve anything.. well the fact is Carlson is much, much better than Muzzin and as I stated above he would help improve current weaknesses of the team.. Doughty can carry anyone as can Carlson so possibly having Martinez on the 3rd pairing would go a long way toward solidifying our defensive Corps.

Its not about Muzz vs Carlson/whomever, in a vacuum. It's about having Muzz, now. He is a top 4 D, much to the chagrin of some of our fans. A top 4 D on a sweetheart deal. We need to add to DD, Mart, Muzz, not trade them.

My original post that you replied to was about AMart, tho. Not Muzz. AMart is a stud. Certified. For his size and being LH, he is so efficient. It would be a monumental mistake to trade him. Who is always the last to greet Quick after every game? AMart is a huge part of this team. Especially now that players like Stoll, Richards, Mitchell etc are gone. Muzz, too, with that sexy AAV.

No one would ever argue with you on whom the heart of our team is. We all know that.

My thing is, mon frère, that we need to add to the core of DD, Muzz, Amart, not trade them and still find ourselves in need of another top-4 D. I feel like our FWD depth is fine once Carter comes back, and with Vilardi apparently only a season away, plus the emergence of Kempe.

Keep our picks, our top 3 D, and Vilardi. If we want another D, trade from other sources, imo.

Also, thanks for being tactful this time. Kill em with kindness.

 

[KingTrouty]

Maybe you like the way Muzzin runs hot and cold but for my taste I would like someone more solid and Carlson fits the bill and is a few years younger... I think we can both agree we have a nice influx of forward talent that will come up over the next 2-3 seasons but we sorely lack that talent on the defensive end...
Carlson also allows Martinez to go back to his natural position at a premium of $2.5-$3 million... add the fact that JC is pretty damn good on the PP and we help solve another team weakness...
Speaking for myself, the Kings are built around Doughty, Quick and Kopitar... then, Toffoli, Pearson, Kempe...
As for your assessment that signing Carlson and trading Muzzin doesn’t really solve anything.. well the fact is Carlson is much, much better than Muzzin and as I stated above he would help improve current weaknesses of the team.. Doughty can carry anyone as can Carlson so possibly having Martinez on the 3rd pairing would go a long way toward solidifying our defensive Corps.

How bout we trade for Carlson w/o using AMart/Muzz?

 

[BigKing]

These guys seem to like playing together. If they keep their place in the standings heading towards the deadline, you look to add to the defense without giving up current roster players unless it is a 7th d-man as part of a bigger deal.

Yes, that means futures. While I'm skeptical on Vilardi being an NHL'er next season due to missing so much time this year, next year's 1st isn't *as* important as we all thought it was if Vilardi is ready to contribute and this team is actually good.

Not saying I want to move a 1st, but I obviously do it if it is the right fit.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

17. Drew Doughty scored the winning goal last Saturday in Vancouver after being undressed by Nikolay Goldobin earlier in the game.

“We had a meal in the hotel after the game,” Kings head coach John Stevens said Sunday. “I was talking to Drew. He wasn’t thinking about the goal he scored, or anything else…he just couldn’t believe he got beat one-on-one. It reminded me of Game 1 of the 2014 Stanley Cup Final.

Benoit Pouliot picked his pocket to score, and later Drew scored a fantastic goal to tie the game. The biggest improvement he’s made to his leadership is he understands the effect he has on this group. A bad play does not mean you have to have a bad period or bad game. The refs don’t make a call you want, it’s okay. When you’re frustrated, you take away the energy. When determined, you raise the energy. I love his passion. On game day morning skates, the two-on-one drill? He does everything not to allow a goal. Guys want to go against him on that. They want the challenge. If he’s not the best player in the world at his position, I don’t know what I’m talking about.”

18. Stevens and the Kings are three points behind Vegas for first in the Pacific, re-energized after three difficult post-Stanley Cup seasons.

“We were tired of not performing well.” Do you buy the theory the team was exhausted? “I do think that in 2014, those players pushed themselves incredibly hard. Drew could barely lift the Cup. They reached levels…that I don’t think humans realized they could get to.”

It is clear, when Stevens talks about it, he has great admiration for what they accomplished. But he has another theory, which is epitomized by a new slogan in the dressing room: Enjoy the Grind.

“We used to do that,” Stevens said. “Now we have to enjoy it again. We had it translated into Chinese when we went there before the season.” Stevens added that during exhibition games, he saw goals followed by no celebration. So he showed it to the team. “What is this?” he told them. “The last time I checked, when someone scores you put your arms in the air. There are people who believe if you have fun, you’re to working. Or, if you’re working, you can’t have fun. I believe you can do both. You are humans, not machines.”

That leads to questions about Darryl Sutter, but Stevens deflects them. “Darryl (and Dean Lombardi) are two terrific people. Everything (Darryl) did in his power was to make the team better. I’m not different, I’m just me. With three new assistants, there are fresh ideas and new personalities. That changes the mood.”

19. Final question for Stevens: How good is his team? Are we talking Stanley Cup level, for the third time in a decade?

“Nobody in the west is running away from everybody like Tampa Bay. We can play with anybody, but you always think you can get better. We need Jeff Carter to continue to improve and get healthy.”

 

[kings11]

How bout we trade for Carlson w/o using AMart/Muzz?

Carlson is an UFA .... so if we could possibly sign JC and keep all defensemen an extra year it could put us in a position to take advantage of a market in dire need of top 4 Dmen...

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Carlson's gonna get paiiiiiiid

 

[deaderhead28]

Holy ****, AHL Player of the Month.

We know Vilardi is untouchable, but Amadio just continues to mash at every stop. He has to be in the realm of top 6 FWD upside, now. In fact, I think it would be a let down if he didn't get there.

Clague, Vilardi, Amadio. Noice. If we can pull off some moves at the deadline, without touching those three, as well as any firsts, my gosh!

This is the most fun I've had watching hockey and following our beloved team since 2014.

It will unfortunately take at lease a first rounder to get anyone worth anything to improve our defense this season for the playoffs.

 

[kings11]

Carlson's gonna get paiiiiiiid

Yes he is ... in the $6.5-$7 million range and honestly, he is worth it...
I plugged him into CF to get an idea of what our team could look like and its a contender....
Pearson - Kopitar - Brown
Kempe - Carter - Toffoli
Iafallo - Amadio - Lewis
Clifford - Shore - Brodzinski
Muzzin - Doughty
Forbort - Carlson
Martinez - Ladue
MacDermid/Gravel
Quick
Campbell
And the team would still have roughly $3 million to add back a Jokinen/Mitchell/Fanteberg/Frolin or whatever.... Then if Doughty is signed and depending on the terms we could keep this team for another season before guys need to be traded.... keep in mind Vilardi, Wagner, Clague and Petersen will be in the mix and we could package Gabby with Shore and our 1st if we needed immediate cap relief.. plus AA and Clifford... while Lewis will be a UFA again and thats another $2 million freed up there.... so realistically in 2 years we could look like this..

Pearson - Kopitar - Brown
Kempe - Vilardi - Carter
Iafallo - Amadio - Toffoli
Wagner - Veteran - Brodzinski

Forbort - Doughty
Martinez - Carlson
Gravel - LaDue/Clague
MacDermid

Quick
Petersen

 

[Stimpythecat]

So many teams are looking to trade for a top 4 D. Look at the Isles, they need two top 4 guys because of all the injuries. And their need is greater than the kings because JT may leave if they miss the playoffs.

The cost is going to be significant - possibly more than I would like to see paid.

 

[deaderhead28]

Muzzin and AMart have ice water in their veins. They're winners.

You guys want to trade AMart so often, its so funny and cute. The dude plays off hand often, is so damned solid for his size and our scheme -- and still these dumb **** trade AMart posts.

THEN in the same breath we trade for m0R3 D!!!1!!!!!1

LOL

We need another quality top 4 guy, but trying to trade Martinez isn't imo the right decision.The guy comes up huge on the biggest stage.