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2016 World Cup?

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KevyD said:
I agree. I would hope 2016.

To be honest, if we didn't have another Best on Best for 4 years, that would be okay with me. Too much of a good thing.
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HEH ,I'm closing in on 50, a WC every 4 years and a big O every 4 works for me, my chances to see a b/b are getting less and less.
 
v-man said:
The IIHF has wanted to hammer things out for years, the NHL is the one unwilling to compromise. They seem to forget that it's only because of IIHF player transfers than they can continue to be the unquestionably best hockey league in the world. And whether you like it or not, international tournaments, rankings and their participants are based on events run by their governing bodies. For some reason though a few hockey fans seem to think that an NHL exhibition tournament should have more clout. In any other major sport in the world such an opinion would be nothing short of laughable.

But like I said earlier, moving the start of the NHL season up a month to align with the rest of the hockey world would fix everything and make every World Championship a potential best on best tournament. So far, I've yet to hear a single good argument from the NHL as to why this couldn't and shouldn't be done.
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Simple, too early in the year and it's runs into football/baseball season in the States.
 
Brewster said:
Canada
USA
Sweden
Russia
Slovakia
Czech Republic
Switzerland
Finland

8 Teams is perfect, every single nation has a chance to win. When you start throwing in clubs like Latvia and Norway the competition is diluted.
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12 teams works for me.
 
Rocko604 said:
The Women's World Championship is not played in Olympic years, so why can't the men? If there is a World Cup, I'd like to see the NHL partner up with the IIHF and have the World Championship moved to September in World Cup years, but call it the World Cup. That way, you get a 16 team best on best tournament, and the NHL makes money.
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Because there's a lot more depth in men's hockey and all the lower division World Championship are held every year as well.
 
v-man said:
But like I said earlier, moving the start of the NHL season up a month to align with the rest of the hockey world would fix everything and make every World Championship a potential best on best tournament. So far, I've yet to hear a single good argument from the NHL as to why this couldn't and shouldn't be done.
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The World Championships are already a lot closer to being best-on-best than they were in the days of the 21-team NHL. Back then, with only 5 teams missing playoffs, there were very few NHL players who could go.

Now, with 14 teams missing the playoffs, nearly half the players are available. And there is a lot more participation from teams bounced in the first round than I remember there being in the 80s.

In 2012, the first round NHL playoff series ended between April 20 and 26, and the worlds didn't start until May 3, a full week after the last first round series ended. So players from 22/30 teams were completely available. Even second round losers were available to join the tournament in progress, as the second round series ended b/w May 6 and May 12, during the early to mid stages of the World Championship round robin. I believe N. Backstrom even went after the Caps were knocked out in the 7th game of the 2nd round, but I could be misremembering.

So between 73% and 87% of NHL players are available.

Whether they choose to play is a different story. And I can see why some would decline given injuries, fatigue, disappointment with playoff loss, desire to spend time with family, etc. Bu, similarly, I can see why some would decline participation in a September World Cup. Participation is never going to be 100%.
 
Wolf357 said:
What happened to Kazakhstan? They seemed to be a growning hockey country and was in the mix a few years ago. Hard to believe France, Denmark, And Austria is ahead of them in IIHF rankings.
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I was surprised too. Denmark and Austria have taken a lot of strides lately, but did not expect France to be there. Kazakhstan is just sitting outside of the top-16, at 17th. So conceivably could qualify for a World Cup. It seems like Russia's national team "poaches" some of their talent, so to speak. Khudobin and Nabokov would be a pretty decent goaltending tandem if they played for the Kazakh team.

Looking at their roster I see Pushkaryov. Haven't heard that name in a while. :laugh:
 
FlutteringSaucer said:
You do understand that NHL is pretty much just an organizer here and NHLPA's role is even smaller? If they want to organize the World Cup with the teams actually representing the countries you have to negotiate with IIHF and national federations. And if you want more teams to participate than USA, Canada and Sweden you need to negotiate with other leagues too especially if they want to organize the World Cup mid-season.
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Smaller roll , don't let Bettman or the Don hear that . The World Cup is the NHL and its PA's brainchild to organize as they see fit . Writing is on the wall as Bettman and Fehr have both recently reported the Cup is a go , again , its just a matter of when where and who . Bettman has stated the NHL will decide within 6 months on committal to next Olympics and negativity surround the whole discussion it appears .
Not too far out on a limb , The NHL and the Players Association announce a new World Cup just before he announces the no participation in Pyeongchang . Fasal and the IIHF will distribute the cash alloted for travel , lodging , ect to the Countries the NHL and PA decides on inviting . Guessing 12 team format here .
 
They should run it in September and end it in time for the start of the season. Keep training camps open while its on.

10 teams two divisions

-one in North America one in Europe
-one divisional game per team
-Top 4 in each division qualify for playoffs.
-Teams play 2 rounds (1 vs 4, 2 vs 3) till divison champ is found
-Winners of each division play a best of 3 series
 
Stats01 said:
No, WC would be in late August through September before the season starts so it doesn't interrupt NHL play.
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In the same years than Summer Olympics that also are played around August? I think that would be a major problem if one sets out to organize an international sporting event.
 
I would love to see a best of seven between Canada and the US.

A best of seven between Sweden and Finland would be pretty epic too.
 
I don't like multiple groups. We just had a tournament we waited four years for & didn't see Canada play Russia or the Czechs. Something's wrong there....
 
johnny_rudeboy said:
8 teams, 2 groups, no elimination from the group. QF, SF then a final.

Games are played in Canada in Montreal and in the USA in Pittsburgh.

Group Canada includes.
Canada
Russia
Switzerland
Czech republik

Group USA includes
USA
Sweden
Finland
Slovakia

Each country play 2 friendly games with their best players on home ice before the tournament starts to get the buzz going. But this tournament will be played on NHL sized rinks in NA but at times that will suit the European audience. Make it work.
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hockey players don't play "friendlies" outside of the all star game which every one mocks.
 
If they want it to be a success, they should include 12 or 14 teams. There isn't skill/talent enough for 16 teams.

- All games are home/away games
- Playoffs should be best of three games
- The highest ranked team gets the one more home game
 
I like the proposals for 12 or 14 teams.
The successful international tournaments that are held in the world of sports have a healthy balance between favorites (Canada, Sweden, Russia, USA) Contenders (Czech Republic, Finland) Dark Horses (Switzerland, Slovakia) Competitive or improving nations (Denmark, Latvia, Germany) and Long shots (Austria, Norway, Belarus)

Please don't take these classifications and the countries in them too seriously. I just threw this together without a lot of thought. The point is that the mixture of types makes the tournament as exciting as possible.

This number (appropriate for hockey), allows for big time matchups, rivals to meet, and the occasional upset.

Host it every four years to alternate with Olympics. How to host it and where remain to be seen.
 
As an addition to the above post, any host arena would need a minimum of 10,000 (maybe 8,000) seats to avoid big games being played in small barns.

According to hockeyarenas.net that leaves:

146 arenas capable of hosting ice hockey in the world over 10,000 seats

82 in North America
3 in Asia
1 in Oceania
60 in Europe
 
Forsberg21Sakic19 said:
I like the proposals for 12 or 14 teams.
The successful international tournaments that are held in the world of sports have a healthy balance between favorites (Canada, Sweden, Russia, USA) Contenders (Czech Republic, Finland) Dark Horses (Switzerland, Slovakia) Competitive or improving nations (Denmark, Latvia, Germany) and Long shots (Austria, Norway, Belarus)

Please don't take these classifications and the countries in them too seriously. I just threw this together without a lot of thought. The point is that the mixture of types makes the tournament as exciting as possible.

This number (appropriate for hockey), allows for big time matchups, rivals to meet, and the occasional upset.

Host it every four years to alternate with Olympics. How to host it and where remain to be seen.
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Please, please, please don't let them use 12-14 teams. Watching the top countries beat up on those bottom countries is simply awful to watch. I want to watch Canada play every one of the big 6. I don't want to see them water it down with guaranteed wins. Ideally only 6 countries would be invited, everyone plays everyone and the top play a semi and championship game.

I can understand expanding it to 8, but that way at least each division has 3 of the big 6 and Switzerland and Slovakia can pull an upset/competitive game. Norway, Austria, Germany, Latvia, Belarus they offer nothing. They can play in the Olympics, the World Championships, and the Juniors but one tournament that focuses on showcasing the best national teams can't be too much to ask.
 
To make the World Cup different and special, so as to justify its existence, I think it should be limited to the top six teams. Or seven in order to include Slovakia. It should be strictly cream of the crop.
 
If we are going to include the hockey minnows then I think there should be a play in round.


Denmark
Belarus
Germany
Slovenia

Austria
Norway
Latvia
France


Top teams from each group get added in with the top 8. While the preliminary round is going on the big 8 teams play a couple of exhibition games. Teams are separated into 5 team groups, top 3 advance with the top of each group getting a bye.

Theoretical:

Denmark and Austria advance

Canada
USA
Finland
Slovakia
Denmark


Sweden
Russia
Switzerland
Czechs
Austria


-USA-------------------Winner
-Switzerland - - Sweden

Finland - - Canada
Russia-------------Winner


That way you get some group games that actually mean something as just about every space is fought over. You still get the minnow nations at least in the tournament and it's not overly drawn out with only four group games and three knockout rounds. Meaning it could be done in under 3 weeks.
 
I would prefer a smaller number of teams (e.g., 8) so as to allow for more competitive games. My ideal tournament would be a full round robin with top 4 making playoffs, single-game semis, and a best of 3 final. Assuming 8 teams, that would mean at least 15 games between big 6 teams, and as many as 20 (depending on who makes playoffs). That is in contrast to the only 7 or 9 big 6 games we have had the past couple of Olympics). But such a format would also mean 10 or 11 games for the final two teams, which may be unrealistic.

If it ends up being a 10-team, two-division tournament, I agree that only 3 of 5 from each division making playoffs is better than 4, as it would make the divisional games more meaningful. Greater risk of missing playoffs, and greater reward (first round bye) for finishing first.
 
If this happens, any guess to the rosters?? Assuming games on both large and NHL ice.

My guess at Canada:

Jaden Schwartz -- Sidney Crosby -- Steven Stamkos
John Tavares -- Ryan Getzlaf -- Corey Perry
Milan Lucic -- Jonathan Toews -- Jeff Carter
Jamie Benn -- Tyler Seguin -- Patrice Bergeron
Claude Giroux
Matt Duchene

Drew Doughty -- Shea Weber
Duncan Kieth -- Brent Seabrook
Marc-Eduard Vlasic -- Alex Pietrangelo
Dion Phaneuf
PK Subban

Carey Price
Roberto Luongo
Marc Andre Fleury

Out:
Chris Kunitz -- good player, but we have better guys
Rick Nash -- play with the puck really needs to improve
Patrick Marleau -- would be back if hes still at this level, would be 36 though
Patrick Sharp -- looked a little lost at the Olympic level
Jay Boumeester -- I see him as a guy whose level fluctuates a lot, could be at a low tide in 2 years
Dan Hamhuis -- good player, but biggest strength was play on big ice
Mike Smith -- Fleury is the better goalie

In:
Jaden Schwartz -- an all-around Kunitz type, but more potential and vision
Milan Lucic -- big bruiser who can skate. Doesnt shy away when games get big
Tyler Seguin -- outstanding offensive skillset, chemistry with Benn, will have more time at centre under his belt
Claude Giroux -- Id have him on Sochi team, plays PP, PK, wing, center. High skill
Brent Seabrook -- on smaller ice, him and Kieth can dominate. Quietly having bounceback season
Dion Phaneuf -- new commitment to defence, faces extremely tough guys, play will elevate with skill guys
MA Fleury -- needs a good playoff run, other than that hes one of the best in the world
 
leafsfuture said:
If this happens, any guess to the rosters?? Assuming games on both large and NHL ice.

My guess at Canada:

Jaden Schwartz -- Sidney Crosby -- Steven Stamkos
John Tavares -- Ryan Getzlaf -- Corey Perry
Milan Lucic -- Jonathan Toews -- Jeff Carter
Jamie Benn -- Tyler Seguin -- Patrice Bergeron
Claude Giroux
Matt Duchene

Drew Doughty -- Shea Weber
Duncan Kieth -- Brent Seabrook
Marc-Eduard Vlasic -- Alex Pietrangelo
Dion Phaneuf
PK Subban

Carey Price
Roberto Luongo
Marc Andre Fleury

Out:
Chris Kunitz -- good player, but we have better guys
Rick Nash -- play with the puck really needs to improve
Patrick Marleau -- would be back if hes still at this level, would be 36 though
Patrick Sharp -- looked a little lost at the Olympic level
Jay Boumeester -- I see him as a guy whose level fluctuates a lot, could be at a low tide in 2 years
Dan Hamhuis -- good player, but biggest strength was play on big ice
Mike Smith -- Fleury is the better goalie

In:
Jaden Schwartz -- an all-around Kunitz type, but more potential and vision
Milan Lucic -- big bruiser who can skate. Doesnt shy away when games get big
Tyler Seguin -- outstanding offensive skillset, chemistry with Benn, will have more time at centre under his belt
Claude Giroux -- Id have him on Sochi team, plays PP, PK, wing, center. High skill
Brent Seabrook -- on smaller ice, him and Kieth can dominate. Quietly having bounceback season
Dion Phaneuf -- new commitment to defence, faces extremely tough guys, play will elevate with skill guys
MA Fleury -- needs a good playoff run, other than that hes one of the best in the world
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2016?


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Parise-Kesler-Kane
Okposo-Backes-Oshie
Pacioretty-Stastny-Ryan
Callahan-Stepan

Suter-McDonaugh
Fowler-Faulk
Martin-Carlson
Yandle-Trouba

Quick
Miller
Schneider
 
Russia would not participate in a World Cup because the KHL season starts the first week in September.

The World Cup could be renamed the Canada Coronation Tournament. That would be great for Canadian fans, but would the rest of the World really get up for that?
 
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