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World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden Part II

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novon04 said:
Nearly the same depth? Sweden had 17 NHL forwards with 40+ points last year, while Finland had 4.

Swedish/Finnish World cup forwards sorted by NHL points 15-16:

  1. Nicklas Backstrom SWE C 75 20 50 70
  2. Filip Forsberg SWE L 82 33 31 64
  3. Loui Eriksson SWE R 82 30 33 63
  4. Daniel Sedin SWE L 82 28 33 61
  5. Jussi Jokinen FIN L 81 18 42 60
  6. Aleksander Barkov FIN C 66 28 31 59
  7. Mikko Koivu FIN C 82 17 39 56
  8. Henrik Sedin SWE C 74 11 44 55
  9. Gabriel Landeskog SWE L 75 20 33 53
  10. Carl Soderberg SWE C 82 12 39 51
  11. Patric Hornqvist SWE R 82 22 29 51
  12. Henrik Zetterberg SWE L 82 13 37 50
  13. Mikael Granlund FIN C 82 13 31 44
  14. Rickard Rakell SWE C 72 20 23 43
  15. Carl Hagelin SWE L 80 14 25 39
  16. Jakob Silfverberg SWE R 82 20 19 39
  17. Leo Komarov FIN C 67 19 17 36
  18. Joonas Donskoi FIN R 76 11 25 36
  19. Teuvo Teravainen FIN L 78 13 22 35
  20. Jori Lehtera FIN C 79 9 25 34
  21. Erik Haula FIN C 76 14 20 34
  22. Valtteri Filppula FIN C 76 8 23 31
  23. Lauri Korpikoski FIN L 71 10 12 22
  24. Marcus Kruger SWE C 41 0 4 4
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Counting points, ofc you´re right, however, the finnish mentality has raised more defence minded forwards who do the dirty work that don´t show in point totals, not saying the swedes aren´t hard working, only it´s Finlands speciality.

I´m sure you agree that looking at points here, then comparing defence and Sweden having Henk in goal would indicate that it´s not even close, still when the game starts it´s 50/50.

Also Laine (and Aho) haven´t played in the NHL yet :)
 
Booster said:
Counting points, ofc you´re right, however, the finnish mentality has raised more defence minded forwards who do the dirty work that don´t show in point totals, not saying the swedes aren´t hard working, only it´s Finlands speciality.

I´m sure you agree that looking at points here, then comparing defence and Sweden having Henk in goal would indicate that it´s not even close, still when the game starts it´s 50/50.

Also Laine (and Aho) haven´t played in the NHL yet :)
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Good two way forwards are Sweden's bread and butter as well. Saying Sweden's and Finland's fw corps have almost the same depth is just plain wrong.
 
JFG said:
Good two way forwards are Sweden's bread and butter as well. Saying Sweden's and Finland's fw corps have almost the same depth is just plain wrong.
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Top two defensive forwards between the two countries are Koivu and Barkov, best goal-scorer between the two countries is Laine.

It´s closer than you think. Do you think the WC game between them will be uneven?
 
I think finland has as always a good chance to win it all, even if I think that a NA team will win it, since it is after all a NHL controlled tournament. But lets face it, not many players from finland would have made the swedish team. While all skaters from the swedish team (except for maybe Kruger that is just there because he is a coach favorite) would have made the finnish team.

Laine would not even be close to make the swedish team. There is no none NHL players in the swedish team and it is not likly they would have made a exception for a 18 year old player, Nylander was probably not even close to make the team.
 
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Booster said:
Top two defensive forwards between the two countries are Koivu and Barkov, best goal-scorer between the two countries is Laine.

It´s closer than you think. Do you think the WC game between them will be uneven?
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First of all, both Filip Forsberg and Loui Eriksson scored more goals/game in the NHL last season than Laine scored in the Finnish league. At this point I don't see any argument for Laine being the best goal scorer, or even close. Maybe down the road he will be but the NHL is a different beast, not to mention the World Cup.

Secondly, Koivu being a top two defensive player on these two teams is debatable to say the least. Three Swedish players recieved Selke votes last season. Barkov is the only finnish player to recieve votes.
 
Jokinen-Barkov-Donskoi
Laine-Bäckström-Forsberg
Granlund-Koivu-Komarov
Lehterä-Filppula-Teräväinen

Hedman-Strålman
OEL-Karlsson
Hjalmarsson-Ristolainen
Ekholm

I think this team could win the cup.
 
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Karjala takaisin said:
Jokinen-Barkov-Donskoi
Laine-Bäckström-Forsberg
Granlund-Koivu-Komarov
Lehterä-Filppula-Teräväinen

Hedman-Strålman
OEL-Karlsson
Hjalmarsson-Ristolainen
Ekholm

I think this team could win the cup.
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That team probably could win the cup. But

Patric Hörnqvist – Nicklas Bäckström – Filip Forsberg
Loui Eriksson – Henrik Sedin – Daniel Sedin
Jakob Silfverberg – Henrik Zetterberg – Carl Hagelin
Marcus Krüger – Carl Söderberg – Gabriel Landeskog
Rickard Rakell

Niklas Hjalmarsson – Erik Karlsson
Victor Hedman – Anton Strålman
Oliver Ekman-Larsson – Mattias Ekholm
Hampus Lindholm

is still better than the team you composed. I would only add maybe 4 players from Finland to the Swedish team. All of them forwards (if you exclude adding Finnish goalies as backup to Lundqvist). I see no reason to switch players like Eriksson, the Sedins, Landeskog and Hörnqvist for Lehterä, Teräväinen, Donskoi and Filppula. I would even choose Nyquist, Zibanejad or Johansson, players who were left out of the team, before those guys.

No defenseman from Finland would make the Swedish team. Klingberg was left outside the team and he would easily be the best defenseman on the team if he played for Finland.

I wouldn't mind though if Sweden had some of Finlands coaching and mindset even if I hope that Grönborg is good at the job (remains to be seen).
 
Alright since we are doing this, here´s mine Team Sverige/Suomi:


Laine-Bäckström-Forsberg
Landeskog-Barkov-Silfverberg
Sedin-Koivu-Sedin
Hagelin-Zetterberg-Aho
Puljujärvi

Hedman-Karlsson
OEL-Ristolainen
Lindholm-Vatanen
Määttä

Lundqvist
Rask
Rinne
 
Booster said:
Alright since we are doing this, here´s mine Team Sverige/Suomi:


Laine-Bäckström-Forsberg
Landeskog-Barkov-Silfverberg
Sedin-Koivu-Sedin
Hagelin-Zetterberg-Aho
Puljujärvi

Hedman-Karlsson
OEL-Ristolainen
Lindholm-Vatanen
Määttä

Lundqvist
Rask
Rinne
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In what world is Vatanen better than Strålman and Hjalmarsson?

And friggin Määtä? Sweden has another 10 d-men better than him.

Laine and Aho haven't played a single game in the NHL yet.
 
Karjala takaisin said:
Jokinen-Barkov-Donskoi
Laine-Bäckström-Forsberg
Granlund-Koivu-Komarov
Lehterä-Filppula-Teräväinen

Hedman-Strålman
OEL-Karlsson
Hjalmarsson-Ristolainen
Ekholm

I think this team could win the cup.
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So if players like the sedins that have won the art trophy not to long ago would be finnish players, you would not take team, and instead take Teräväinen and Laine etc?
 
Booster said:
Alright since we are doing this, here´s mine Team Sverige/Suomi:


Laine-Bäckström-Forsberg
Landeskog-Barkov-Silfverberg
Sedin-Koivu-Sedin
Hagelin-Zetterberg-Aho
Puljujärvi

Hedman-Karlsson
OEL-Ristolainen
Lindholm-Vatanen
Määttä

Lundqvist
Rask
Rinne
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I love Vatanen, but if not Klingberg make the team, then why should Vatanen do? Määttä better than, Ekholm, Klingberg, Strålman, Hjalmarsson, Larsson etc?

The only D-men I could see is Risto. The junior player Aho, Laine and Pulju is no NHL players and do not belong on the team. If any young player should be on the team it should be Nylander
 
ulvvf said:
I love Vatanen, but if not Klingberg make the team, then why should Vatanen do? Määttä better than, Ekholm, Klingberg, Strålman, Hjalmarsson, Larsson etc?

The only D-men I could see is Risto. The junior player Aho, Laine and Pulju is no NHL players and do not belong on the team. If any young player should be on the team it should be Nylander
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You take him over:


CAREER HIGHLIGHTS
AWARDS BY SEASON

2014-2015 U18 WJC All-Star Team
U18 WJC Most Goals (8)
U18 WJC Silver Medal
U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team
2015-2016 SM-liiga Best Player in Playoffs (Jari Kurri Award)
SM-liiga Champion
SM-liiga Most Goals by Rookie (17)
SM-liiga Most Points by Rookie (33)
SM-liiga Playoffs Most Goals (10)
SM-liiga Rookie of the Year
U20 WJC All-Star Team
U20 WJC Gold Medal
U20 WJC Most Goals (7)
U20 WJC Top 3 Player on Team
World Championship All-Star Team
World Championship Best Forward
World Championship MVP
World Championship Silver Medal
World Championship Top 3 Player on Team
World Championship Most goals (7)

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ulvvf said:
I think finland has as always a good chance to win it all, even if I think that a NA team will win it, since it is after all a NHL controlled tournament. But lets face it, not many players from finland would have made the swedish team. While all skaters from the swedish team (except for maybe Kruger that is just there because he is a coach favorite) would have made the finnish team.

Laine would not even be close to make the swedish team. There is no none NHL players in the swedish team and it is not likly they would have made a exception for a 18 year old player, Nylander was probably not even close to make the team.
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NHL referees are the best in the world and they are impartial. I think most Euros know this but when the minority says ignorant stuff like this I just have to :laugh:

If your team plays well enough to win, you'll win. Period. Making excuses in advance for losing is pretty pathetic.

Huffman said:
First of all, both Filip Forsberg and Loui Eriksson scored more goals/game in the NHL last season than Laine scored in the Finnish league. At this point I don't see any argument for Laine being the best goal scorer, or even close. Maybe down the road he will be but the NHL is a different beast, not to mention the World Cup.

Secondly, Koivu being a top two defensive player on these two teams is debatable to say the least. Three Swedish players recieved Selke votes last season. Barkov is the only finnish player to recieve votes.
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Indeed. The Laine hype is out of control like a runaway freight train. :laugh:
 
Booster said:
You take him over:


CAREER HIGHLIGHTS
AWARDS BY SEASON

2014-2015 U18 WJC All-Star Team
U18 WJC Most Goals (8)
U18 WJC Silver Medal
U18 WJC Top 3 Player on Team
2015-2016 SM-liiga Best Player in Playoffs (Jari Kurri Award)
SM-liiga Champion
SM-liiga Most Goals by Rookie (17)
SM-liiga Most Points by Rookie (33)
SM-liiga Playoffs Most Goals (10)
SM-liiga Rookie of the Year
U20 WJC All-Star Team
U20 WJC Gold Medal
U20 WJC Most Goals (7)
U20 WJC Top 3 Player on Team
World Championship All-Star Team
World Championship Best Forward
World Championship MVP
World Championship Silver Medal
World Championship Top 3 Player on Team
World Championship Most goals (7)

?
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I would not take either on a swedish or swedish/finnish combine world cup team, maybe all after next season. But Nylander has show more at senior level than Laine, Pulju and Aho. What they do at junior level should not really matters unless you have a weak deph. Nylander has at least prove himself a little bit in NHL, but I actually understand why Grönborg didnt take him on the team, there are simple to many proven good NHL players

I would however take all, Nylander, aho, Pulju and Laine on a finnish team, to gamble with, but sweden is to deph to gamble with those unproven players.
 
Gary Nylund said:
NHL referees are the best in the world and they are impartial. I think most Euros know this but when the minority says ignorant stuff like this I just have to :laugh:

If your team plays well enough to win, you'll win. Period. Making excuses in advance for losing is pretty pathetic.



Indeed. The Laine hype is out of control like a runaway freight train. :laugh:
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They maybe be the best but they are far from impartial. But it shows the level of corruption when it has becomes so accepted. But it is not just the refs, the whole tournament is run by 2 countries. If you call that impartial what is biased to you then?

canada and usa has a much better results the more a tournament is run by NHL, that do not say you anything? NHL want USA/canada to win, it was maybe more obvious in the past, but it is still obvious and this is far from a impartial tournament

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Booster said:
8th and 10th of September we will see how it looks. :)
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In one game anything can happen. Finland also has clearly superior coaching to Sweden. However, on paper your teams are just flat out wrong.
 
Booster said:
Sedin-Koivu-Sedin
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Seriously, I have nothing against having Koivu on a combined Sweden/Finland team. But having Koivu center the Sedins? Why on earth would this be a good idea?

And none of Aho, Pulju or Laine would make the Swedish team. By 2018 they probably would, but currently they have 0 NHL games combined. Why choose 18-19 year olds who have not yet proven themselves and who have no experience playing against the best when you could take a player like Eriksson who has excellent chemistry with the Sedins and just put up 30 goals and 63 points last season? Eriksson also has 44 points in 44 WC games, he always plays his best game when he plays for Sweden.
 
Wow, even though i think Zetterberg isn't the player he once was, this is a downgrade. With that being said i like Backlund in the Tre kronor shirt, always plays good on the NT. We desperately need Centers in the coming years with Sedin and Z retiring soon.
 
I'm fine with Backlund as a replacement. Loosing some offence though with Z out, even if he's not as good anymore.
 
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