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World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden Part II

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ulvvf said:
All are just as offensive minded d-men, it is just about roles, some have more offensive roles since they are better players. If Hjalmarsson would have played in shl he would have been in a much more offensive role and then people would have seen him as a "offensive minded" d-men. Just because you are the better player and are put in the more demanding role (as the offensive d-men) it should not be a thing that should be use against you. Klingberg is elite defensivly as well. Plus you have 3 pairs, and Karlsson and OEL is 2, so either way it was room for Klingberg.
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Lol... Klingberg is not elite defensively.
 
ulvvf said:
I would not think so. They have imply that the pair before was

Kronwall - Karlsson
Hedman - Strålman
Hjalmarsson - OEL

Now I guess it stand between, Hjalmarsson, Ekholm and Lindholm of who will play with Karlsson and OEL. Maybe they promote Hjalmarsson and let him play with Karlsson.
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They also implied Hjalmarsson would play right defense...

Not Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson?

I think Hjalle is better when forwards come at him rather than being second fiddle to offensive Karlsson...

Lindholm - Hjalmarsson might also make room for Hampus now "legendary" way to skate past opposition with the puck (Boudreau)
 
Seems like there's been alot of debate about the coaching, yes? I know MÃ¥rts wasn't very well-liked by alot of the players, but alot of people don't seem too high on Gronborg either. Why is that? I've read he wants to play a more NA style, does that just mean more dump and chase and shot-blocking?
 
helax said:
Sure thats your oppinion, Lindholm is a solid tier better than Klingberg when it comes to defence imho. I much rather have Lindholm than Klingberg on PK as well as facing the other opponents better lines.
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In what way is Lindholm better defensivly? I can mention many aspect in defense that Klingberg is better defensivly. being comfrotable with the puck is so importent defensivly maybe the most importent, Lindholm is comfrtoable with the puck, but not on the same level as Klingberg, players that get stressed are a security risk defensivly. Look at him on 3vs3, when he play as the single d-men, it is a beauty to look at defensivly. he cover so much space with his agility and speed and his long stick. All the basic all the player can do the same not big difference. So in what way is Lindholm better?

Facing the best lines? This is not NHl when the opponent have 1 line that stands out, so what line? plus are you going to give up playing all the sudently?

This way of thinking has not create a better defense in whc 20 under Grönborg when he have cut obviously better players for worse, why not learn from that? We still have a great d, but Klingberg is simple on a complete different level in all aspect of the game compare to players like Strålman, Hjalmarsson and Lindholm.

Klingberg turned Dallas from a non playoff team to a top team this year.

It is just a myth that a high producer is bad defensivly wich bascially never are true, they are actually usually the best one even defensivly, since you have use for the same attributes on the both sides, and all those players that you see as best defensivly, you only see them as that because they are not good enough to play in the far more demanding role as offensive d-men at this level so they are being put in the defensive role which is easier to shine in, if they would have played in shl they all would have had a very offensive role and this myth about them being better defensvily would never exist.
 
jfc64 said:
They also implied Hjalmarsson would play right defense...

Not Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson?

I think Hjalle is better when forwards come at him rather than being second fiddle to offensive Karlsson...

Lindholm - Hjalmarsson might also make room for Hampus now "legendary" way to skate past opposition with the puck (Boudreau)
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We only have 2 true elite pucker movers, and we shall put them in the same pair? Feel like a waste.

Lindholm is not tested and hasnt produced in NHL really yet. I like him but he shall have a small role in the beginning untill he prove himself.
 
ulvvf said:
We only have 2 true elite pucker movers, and we shall put them in the same pair? Feel like a waste.

Lindholm is not tested and hasnt produced in NHL really yet. I like him but he shall have a small role in the beginning untill he prove himself.
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Just realised what a bunch of I-landsproblem we are discussing :)

So, here's my SLUMP-CHANCE defense pairings:

Karlsson - Strålman
Ekholm - Ekman-Larsson
Hedman - Hjalmarsson
Lindholm
 
Lindholm instead of Kronwall makes this team so much better.

It makes the swedish defense the best in the tournament (with Canada choosing JBo). Klingberg is a great player and I'd pick him before Ekholm but Lindholm is to me a #1D. So good at everything he does. Only EK and Hedman is better in our D-corp with OEL making a case I guess.

Lindholm and Karlsson are made to play togheter. Hedman and Strålman. OEL with Hammer.

Amazing.
 
When I heard about Bäckström's newborn I immediately thought of Victor as first name (Trane IV as second name) but they already settled for Vince...

First kid is Haley, suspectedley a suggestion from Mattias Norström who wants youngsters to hold their hands on the handlebars when they drive their MC. Harley if a boy.
 
ulvvf said:
In what way is Lindholm better defensivly? I can mention many aspect in defense that Klingberg is better defensivly. being comfrotable with the puck is so importent defensivly maybe the most importent, Lindholm is comfrtoable with the puck, but not on the same level as Klingberg, players that get stressed are a security risk defensivly. Look at him on 3vs3, when he play as the single d-men, it is a beauty to look at defensivly. he cover so much space with his agility and speed and his long stick. All the basic all the player can do the same not big difference. So in what way is Lindholm better?
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I'm not agreeing with you here, Klingberg has a higher giveaway per 60 compaired to Lindholm (2.71 vs 2.22). Lindholm Corisi for is 57.0 vs Klingbergs 55.3 last season aswell. So stating that Klingberg is less of a "security risk" than Lindholm is not true, rather a personal bias in my oppinion.

ulvvf said:
Klingberg turned Dallas from a non playoff team to a top team this year.
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And he turned ICE cold in the playoff, Lindholm elevated his game. In a short tournement as this, i rather have a player with a proven track record for important games.
 
Steveorama said:
LOL
Wait a minute...you're SERIOUS?!
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I think with Keith going down you can make a reasonable case for Sweden having the best defense now at this tournament, especially when Keith was replaced with a declining J-Bo instead of guys like Subban, Brodie or Giordano.

Strange call by TC brass there.

Sweden upgraded by going from Kronwall to Lindholm and their defense was already pretty much on par with Canada's before that.
 
Bear12Good said:
Hmmm)
E.Karlsson better Burns
Hedman better Pietangelo
Lindholm better Bowemister
OEL better Muzzin
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Daughty better Hjalmarsson
Weber better Strolman:handclap::)
3-2 Sweden WIN
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Another viewpoint is that PK Subban didn't even make Team Canada.
How many Swedish dmen would you take over Subban?
Karlsson and Hedman, maybe?
 
jj cale said:
I think with Keith going down you can make a reasonable case for Sweden having the best defense now at this tournament, especially when Keith was replaced with a declining J-Bo instead of guys like Subban, Brodie or Giordano.

Strange call by TC brass there.

Sweden upgraded by going from Kronwall to Lindholm and their defense was already pretty much on par with Canada's before that.
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how? They have 3 elite defensemen - Karlsson, Hedman, Ekman-Larsson.
Canada had 5 - Keith, Doughty, Weber, Pietrangelo, and Burns. Now we have still 4.
Plus the group of Vlasic, Muzzin, Bouwmeester is better than Hjalmarsson, Stralman, Ekholm/Lindholm

if anything, it got closer, sure, but they are not better and they were certainly not better with us having 5 elite d-men and them 3, but I guess we should have this debate in our thread, haha.
 
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