World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Russia

[Fantomas]

Zadorov looks pretty good among a so far abysmal Avalache team.

Again, you are always completely wrong about Zadorov.

 

[Fantomas]

Three guys I would like to see representing Russia at upcoming tournaments are Nikita Gusev, Maxim Karpov and Sergei Kalinin. Excellent young players. Old man Mozyakin can stay home.

Kalinin is a real hard worker. Have been a huge fan of his ever since he played his butt off at the WJC.

And I think Gusev could be next year's Panarin. He is that good.

 

[Atas2000]

Three guys I would like to see representing Russia at upcoming tournaments are Nikita Gusev, Maxim Karpov and Sergei Kalinin. Excellent young players. Old man Mozyakin can stay home.

Kalinin is a real hard worker. Have been a huge fan of his ever since he played his butt off at the WJC.

And I think Gusev could be next year's Panarin. He is that good.

Gusev has a lot to prove still. I doubt he will be done with that until the World Cup. He is following Panarin's footsteps a bit, but Panarin is exactly the guy who has proven himself by now and is a lock. Panarin right now is on the same level with Kucherov, and remeber, Kucherov was Gusev's linemate in juniors.

Kalinin ia big guy and a hard worker, but in both categories he still has room for improvement until he'd get a spot over Kulyomin.

 

[Atas2000]

Again, you are always completely wrong about Zadorov.

I don't think so. I think he has some bad, bad luck with coaches. He is a head cse, but who isn't at his age? He needs a coach with experience of guiding such guys.

With right coaching he'd be an amerging star by now. Roy isn't right coaching.

 

[Atas2000]

Today I'd take these lines:
Kulemin - Malkin - Tarasenko
Ovechkin - Kuznetsov - Radulov
Panarin - Datsyuk - Kucherov
Zaripov - Anisimov - Mozyakin

Yeah, Panarin - Datsyuk - Kucherov aka the keepaway-line. Nice idea, won't happen.

 

[Fantomas]

Gusev has a lot to prove still. I doubt he will be done with that until the World Cup. He is following Panarin's footsteps a bit, but Panarin is exactly the guy who has proven himself by now and is a lock. Panarin right now is on the same level with Kucherov, and remeber, Kucherov was Gusev's linemate in juniors.

Kalinin ia big guy and a hard worker, but in both categories he still has room for improvement until he'd get a spot over Kulyomin.

Naturally. I am forecasting here more than anything. Gusev is on cusp of very good things.

 

[Fantomas]

I don't think so. I think he has some bad, bad luck with coaches. He is a head cse, but who isn't at his age? He needs a coach with experience of guiding such guys.

With right coaching he'd be an amerging star by now. Roy isn't right coaching.

I like Zadorov, but there will be growing pains.

 

[Zine]

Zadorov isn't national team material at the moment. For the lack of anyone better, let's hope he's ready by 2016.

And why does everyone have Medvedev on their rosters? Yea he's an alright puck mover but I'd rather have Nikulin or Tyutin if we've been reduced to selecting over-the-hill mistake prone guys.

Markov (L) - Orlov (L)
Kulikov (L) - Voynov (R)
Emelin (L) - Zaitsev (R)
Zadorov (L) - Chudinov (R)

 

[Caser]

Zadorov isn't national team material at the moment. For the lack of anyone better, let's hope he's ready by 2016.

And why does everyone have Medvedev on their rosters? Yea he's an alright puck mover but I'd rather have Nikulin or Tyutin if we've been reduced to selecting over-the-hill mistake prone guys.

Markov (L) - Orlov (L)
Kulikov (L) - Voynov (R)
Emelin (L) - Zaitsev (R)
Zadorov (L) - Chudinov (R)

I'd take Marchenko over Chudinov any day of the week.

 

[Fantomas]

I'd take Marchenko over Chudinov any day of the week.

Why?

 

[Caser]

Why?

Imo, Marchenko is much much less error-prone.

 

[Fantomas]

The state of Russia's defense is just too depressing for words.

 

[xxxx]

hi guys, are there any words about releasing KHL players to World Cup? And how many KHL players do you believe will make your team?

Looking at your line-ups, I think the offence will be very dangerous, more than in Sochi imo. Can't wait to see it.

 

[Atas2000]

hi guys, are there any words about releasing KHL players to World Cup? And how many KHL players do you believe will make your team?

Looking at your line-ups, I think the offence will be very dangerous, more than in Sochi imo. Can't wait to see it.

Why is there talk about the KHL not releasing players at all? Those wild rumours about Russia become annoying.

Due to the players leaving for the NHl in the last couple of years the roster will most probaly be very NHL heavy.

If Zaytsev and Radulov go next year there would be technically only a couple of KHL players.

As of right now possible inclusions are:

Kovalchuk, Radulov, Mozyakin, Zaripov, Shipachev

Zaytsev, Chudinov, Voynov

in case of an injury maybe a KHL goaltender.

And no way all of them will go. Probably only a couple of forwards and probably Zaytsev, while Voynov's status is very cloudy at the time.

 

[xxxx]

Why is there talk about the KHL not releasing players at all? Those wild rumours about Russia become annoying.

Due to the players leaving for the NHl in the last couple of years the roster will most probaly be very NHL heavy.

If Zaytsev and Radulov go next year there would be technically only a couple of KHL players.

As of right now possible inclusions are:

Kovalchuk, Radulov, Mozyakin, Zaripov, Shipachev

Zaytsev, Chudinov, Voynov

in case of an injury maybe a KHL goaltender.

And no way all of them will go. Probably only a couple of forwards and probably Zaytsev, while Voynov's status is very cloudy at the time.

thanks.

it's some people who claim the KHL maybe won't release it's players...I don't believe that, but wanted to ask someone from Russia for an opinion..

 

[Yakushev72]

That's laughable. In 2010 had they not drawn a peaking Canada there was not one team that could have stopped them from reaching the Gold Medal game.

The defense is not one of the best, but Russia has enough to win any international tournament, it's a one game decider. And Russia can gather 6 dmen to hold their own for a set of 6-10 games.

I just can't imagine where you are getting this stuff? "Not one team (other than Canada) could have stopped" Russia in the 2010 Olympics? How about Slovakia, who shut Russia down and "stopped" them at Vancouver as well. The Russians barely snuck by the Czechs, and failed to show anything like unstoppable power at any time in 2010.

I have to say that your assessment that the Russian defense is in perfectly fine shape and very capable of sparking a Gold Medal at the World Cup or Olympics is completely unique on this board. I don't think you'll find many who will nod their head in agreement with you.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Panarin - Anisimov - Tarasenko
Ovechkin - Malkin - Kuznetsov
Yakupov - Datsuyk - Kucherov
Kovalchuck - Shipachyov - Radulov

Markov - Emelin
Orlov - Kulikov
Zaitsev - Chudinov
Zadorov - Medvedev

Bobrovski
Varlamov
Khudobin

 

[m4tt145]

Panarin - Anisimov - Tarasenko
Ovechkin - Malkin - Kuznetsov
Yakupov - Datsuyk - Kucherov
Kovalchuck - Shipachyov - Radulov

Markov - Emelin
Orlov - Kulikov
Zaitsev - Chudinov
Zadorov - Medvedev

Bobrovski
Varlamov
Khudobin

I'd split Ovechkin and Malkin.

 

[sdf]

if radulov less to open his mouth he would be a great player

 

[Fantomas]

No Yakupov please. Russia is not desperate at forward.

 

[Yakushev72]

Why is there talk about the KHL not releasing players at all? Those wild rumours about Russia become annoying.

Due to the players leaving for the NHl in the last couple of years the roster will most probaly be very NHL heavy.

If Zaytsev and Radulov go next year there would be technically only a couple of KHL players.

As of right now possible inclusions are:

Kovalchuk, Radulov, Mozyakin, Zaripov, Shipachev

Zaytsev, Chudinov, Voynov

in case of an injury maybe a KHL goaltender.

And no way all of them will go. Probably only a couple of forwards and probably Zaytsev, while Voynov's status is very cloudy at the time.

Why is the prospect of the KHL withholding its players from the World Cup out of the question? Why do you think the KHL is absolutely on board with it? The World Cup is an NHL venture exclusively, and the purpose is to promote NHL products around the World. Why would that be perfectly fine with the KHL. What incentive would they have to cooperate with it. Obviously, the NHL would love to put the KHL out of business if it could - why should the KHL give them a helping hand to do it? If they let their players go, that tells me there was pressure from above. They have no other reason to support the World Cup.

 

[Caser]

Since Tikhonov is a healthy scratch and Plotnikov is not really shining so far, Kalinin could be in the conversation for the hard-working utility player role.

 

[Paxton Fettel]

Why is the prospect of the KHL withholding its players from the World Cup out of the question? Why do you think the KHL is absolutely on board with it? The World Cup is an NHL venture exclusively, and the purpose is to promote NHL products around the World. Why would that be perfectly fine with the KHL. What incentive would they have to cooperate with it. Obviously, the NHL would love to put the KHL out of business if it could - why should the KHL give them a helping hand to do it? If they let their players go, that tells me there was pressure from above. They have no other reason to support the World Cup.

The purpose is to promote NHL products all over the world? Really? And how exactly is that going to happen? By holding all the games in Toronto, Canada? By replacing 2 European countries by a couple of made up teams managed by a staff directly named by the NHL?
This tournament will get zero attention outside of Canada. Zero.

 

[Yakushev72]

The purpose is to promote NHL products all over the world? Really? And how exactly is that going to happen? By holding all the games in Toronto, Canada? By replacing 2 European countries by a couple of made up teams managed by a staff directly named by the NHL?
This tournament will get zero attention outside of Canada. Zero.

Agreed, which means that it makes even less sense to interrupt its schedule, or have KHL teams lose the value of their best players for 2-4 weeks during the regular season, to participate in an NHL irrelevant, self-promotion event.

 

[Scotty B]

Why is the prospect of the KHL withholding its players from the World Cup out of the question? Why do you think the KHL is absolutely on board with it? The World Cup is an NHL venture exclusively, and the purpose is to promote NHL products around the World. Why would that be perfectly fine with the KHL. What incentive would they have to cooperate with it. Obviously, the NHL would love to put the KHL out of business if it could - why should the KHL give them a helping hand to do it? If they let their players go, that tells me there was pressure from above. They have no other reason to support the World Cup.

Maybe they KHL/RUS Federation want revenge for Sochi? If they send a B team and get creamed, that's not exactly a ringing endorsement for Russian Hockey. If, on the other hand, they take their best KHL/NHL' ers and triumph over the best Hockey Canada/ NHL has to offer, on OUR Ice no less ( as they did in 2004 WHC in Quebec City ) that'd be a huge feather in Russian/KHL Caps.

Now think about what a Russian World Cup victory might mean going forward...

...Canada won't likely be sending another top flight squad to WC 2016 or 2018 OG's either. Ergo Russians might well win both. Thereafter, they could make the claim, with some justification, that Russian hockey was back on top. And who could prove otherwise?

Even in a worst case scenario...Say, Russia's A Team gets schooled again by Canada-A. Russians can always claim conspiracy, that the fix was in, like they so often do.

The Whole World to gain ( Hockey wise ) but little to lose eh? Why not take your Best shot at knocking THE concensus BEST off their pedestal?