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altenate forwards line

Mozyakin-Malkin-Kucherov
Kuznetsov-Datsyuk-Ovechkin
Panarin-Shipachev-Radulov
Tarasenko-Anisimov-Kovalchuk
Dadonov
 
True Hockey Fan said:
I'm pleased to see so many KHL players :) those final seven are a great selection, were playing great hockey in Moscow at the worlds, I like it. It also finally puts down the ridiculous opinion that no KHL-ers will be there.
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The best KHL players - Radulov, Mozyakin, Kovalchuk, Semin - won't be there, and of the players that are named to the roster, only Dadonov and Shipachyov come closest to being among the top players in the league. The rest are not top level players, so they can be spared. If speculation about not admitting Voynov is correct, it will be interesting to see how the RHF reacts.
 
I hate the RHF and Znarok even more. They've blacklisted Radulov and now we'll get to see hockey greats such as Dadonov and Telegin get ripped apart by Canada and the rest of the hockey world. Let's be realistic, this team has the slightest chance of making it to the semifinal, more likely will finish 3rd/4th in its group and they'll say it's alright because they won bronze at the world champ...
 
Paxton Fettel said:
I hate the RHF and Znarok even more. They've blacklisted Radulov and now we'll get to see hockey greats such as Dadonov and Telegin get ripped apart by Canada and the rest of the hockey world. Let's be realistic, this team has the slightest chance of making it to the semifinal, more likely will finish 3rd/4th in its group and they'll say it's alright because they won bronze at the world champ...
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The chances of Russia finishing among the top 2 are so negligible that they had to have been aware of it when they put together the roster. (Do they have such a thing as Bronze or 3rd place in this tournament, or is it just the top 2 who receive some recognition?). It doesn't matter who they line up at forward or in goal, Russian success will be subverted by the guys they have playing defense. The only really good defenseman is Markov, and he is approaching 38. I suppose anything is possible, but the likelihood is not worth thinking about.
 
malkinfan said:
Yes all of those things, no disagreement there. However, now your sounding like Barry Trotz when he went and got guys like Winnik and Richards who were those things which eventually lead to the demise of any offensive depth Washington had, and ultimately the failure of the team.
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That is certainly your interpretation of events. I don't think the Capitals failed because they acquired Winnik or Richards. They failed because their offensive players (namely Kuznetsov and Backstrom) blew chunks.
 
Paxton Fettel said:
I hate the RHF and Znarok even more. They've blacklisted Radulov and now we'll get to see hockey greats such as Dadonov and Telegin get ripped apart by Canada and the rest of the hockey world. Let's be realistic, this team has the slightest chance of making it to the semifinal, more likely will finish 3rd/4th in its group and they'll say it's alright because they won bronze at the world champ...
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Dadonov and Telegin are solid players. Don't get the hate.

There is plenty of offense here. Russia does not need Radulov. It could use a better blueline though.
 
Fantomas said:
Milk came out of my nose. Kovalchuk and Semin are washed up. And let's not pretend Radulov and Mozyakin will lead this team to 1st place.
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Sorry to hear it - that sounds painful! No one said anything about Russia in 1st place (read my post above). Radulov is at the same level as Malkin and Ovechkin, but often, as in Sochi, more effective. Semin and Mozyakin are talented goal scorers, and the other teams are going to load up on offensive firepower. The concept of a checking line is useless if you don't match lines, which Russian coaches such as Znarok still don't do.
 
malkinfan said:
Yes all of those things, no disagreement there. However, now your sounding like Barry Trotz when he went and got guys like Winnik and Richards who were those things which eventually lead to the demise of any offensive depth Washington had, and ultimately the failure of the team.

Telegin has AHL level offensive capabilities, if we watched the same WC you cannot deny that he missed several open nets from world class set ups compliments of Datsyuk and Mozyakin. In an important game do you want some guy who is known for great penalty killing but will flub an open net which may be the game changing goal? Guys like Kulemin Anisimov and even Malkin etc can kill penalties, anyone can do it really. Hell Kovy used to be NJ's best PKer, I would never put a guy on the team whos best attribute is killing a penalty, board work etc, as its usually synonymous for lack of usefulness otherwise. Wayne Gretzky thinks the same thing

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/s...ne-of-scoring-and-creativity-in-nhl.html?_r=0
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I totally can't agree with the bolded, just because to kill penalties you have to be pretty good defensively. By the way, as far as I can remember, Kovy was on the second PK unit for NJD, so not exactly the best.
 
Yakushev72 said:
Sorry to hear it - that sounds painful! No one said anything about Russia in 1st place (read my post above). Radulov is at the same level as Malkin and Ovechkin, but often, as in Sochi, more effective. Semin and Mozyakin are talented goal scorers, and the other teams are going to load up on offensive firepower. The concept of a checking line is useless if you don't match lines, which Russian coaches such as Znarok still don't do.
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Well, my impression is that Fantomas always provides us with a north american input on how the Russian team should look like, both play-wise and its roster - relying too heavily on how they play at their clubs. I too believe that instead of trying to rely on Ovechkin we should look to the reality - and that is that it is after all always Kovalchuk and Radulov that are those providing points in the big games.. like olympics and final games etc. My feeling is that they show more emotions and want to win much more when playing in the national team and thus you can´t compare them with how they are doing in their club teams like with many other players. But I guess his input is healthy as well in order for us to see it from another perspective, but usually I don´t agree.
 
Yakushev72 said:
Semin and Mozyakin are talented goal scorers, and the other teams are going to load up on offensive firepower. The concept of a checking line is useless if you don't match lines, which Russian coaches such as Znarok still don't do.
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Other teams have balanced lineups. And no one is saying anything about "checking lines" here.

I like Radulov just fine and would not have minded seeing him on the roster, but this team is not greatly wounded with him not in the lineup. Besides Radulov can't kill penalties, and, as Caser has pointed out, you need solid special teams here.

Kovalchuk is not a good two-way player. Too much of a prima donna. Semin is finished. A decent (at best) stretch in the KHL notwithstanding.
 
Radulov has been murky of late - he hasn't shown initiative to play for Team Russia, don't know why. He is definitely a powerhouse up front and would've aided the team, but he is a bit 'out of control' on the ice, he has difficulty controlling his emotions and often draws silly penalties. He's also a bit of a 'showoff' and I wouldn't say he's the best example for younger players. Kovalchuk has a great slapshot and sniping ability and I do agree that this is very important in key situations, such as overtime, etc. Not sure what to think about his problems in SKA or with getting into the NT, I think Znarok should've given him a chance. I don't think he was that horrible at SKA.
 
Yakushev72 said:
The best KHL players - Radulov, Mozyakin, Kovalchuk, Semin - won't be there, and of the players that are named to the roster, only Dadonov and Shipachyov come closest to being among the top players in the league. The rest are not top level players, so they can be spared. If speculation about not admitting Voynov is correct, it will be interesting to see how the RHF reacts.
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And why do you think is that? Radulov didn't show up at the worlds, Mozyakin was invisible at the tournament, Kovalchuk had problems to crack his own KHL team in the playoffs. I don't know about Semin, but from other posters here from your country, it doesn't sound like he's something special.

Dadonov and Shipachyov on the other hand had great tournament and were your best offensive line, so it's pretty easy to see why they are there, and they deserve it.

About Voynov, I don't know what the situation is now, but I wonder what do you think "the reaction" would/should be. For a normal human being it would be quite understandable if they banned him as they are not doing anything on purpose to harm your team.
 
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True Hockey Fan said:
And why do you think is that? Radulov didn't show up at the worlds, Mozyakin was invisible at the tournament, Kovalchuk had problems to crack his own KHL team in the playoffs. I don't know about Semin, but from other posters here from your country, it doesn't sound like he's something special.

Dadonov and Shipachyov on the other hand had great tournament and were your best offensive line, so it's pretty easy to see why they are there, and they deserve it.

About Voynov, I don't know what the situation is now, but there wouldn't be any reaction even if he was truly banned for whatever reason. For a normal human being it's quite understandable and they are not doing anything on purpose to harm your team. What do you think the reaction would/should be? That they won't allow the rest of KHL-ers to represent their own country? Or even boycott the tournament as a team? Lol. If you wish so, fine, but that is like hundred miles away from reality.
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Dude, Mozyakin was not invisible in the WC, he had some solid stats - 6 G and 3 A.
 
Russia's selection turned out to be nowhere as controversial as US and Canada. In the end - who cares? It's an NHL-run exhibition tournament. Whoever plays - let them have some pre-season fun. If Russia wins - fantastic... a good boost for the NT. If they don't make it out of their group - not a tragedy either as again... exhibition tournament. Either way, hopefully at least the effort will be there. And will be fun to see Kucherov, Tarasenko take on leading roles.
 
I could make a Russian B team that includes Kovalchuk, Radulov, and Semin that could probably beat the Russian A team.
 
Radulov has difficulty to control his emotions and takes dumb penalties? He just has heart, a ton of it, he cares a lot and he's also got a ton of grit. In addition he's probably the most skilled russian player period.
 
RusskiyHockey said:
Russia's selection turned out to be nowhere as controversial as US and Canada. In the end - who cares? It's an NHL-run exhibition tournament. Whoever plays - let them have some pre-season fun. If Russia wins - fantastic... a good boost for the NT. If they don't make it out of their group - not a tragedy either as again... exhibition tournament. Either way, hopefully at least the effort will be there. And will be fun to see Kucherov, Tarasenko take on leading roles.
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Two teams make it out of each group, right? I'm thinking Russia will be one of them. I'm hoping -- and half believing -- that the other will be NA Young Gunz...although the odds makers will doubtless rate Sweden higher .
 
Balance said:
I could make a Russian B team that includes Kovalchuk, Radulov, and Semin that could probably beat the Russian A team.
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Russian B team

Sorokin,Koshechkin,Murigin

Mozyakin-Prochorkin-Radulov
Semin- I.Grigorenko-Kovalchuk
Zaripov-Burmistrov-Gusev
Golyshev- Burdasov-Buchnevich
Lybimov

Belov-Chudinov
Tryamkin-Antipin
Paigin-Yakovlev
Mironov
 
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Robban7 said:
Well, my impression is that Fantomas always provides us with a north american input on how the Russian team should look like, both play-wise and its roster - relying too heavily on how they play at their clubs. I too believe that instead of trying to rely on Ovechkin we should look to the reality - and that is that it is after all always Kovalchuk and Radulov that are those providing points in the big games.. like olympics and final games etc. My feeling is that they show more emotions and want to win much more when playing in the national team and thus you can´t compare them with how they are doing in their club teams like with many other players. But I guess his input is healthy as well in order for us to see it from another perspective, but usually I don´t agree.
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Whether the management is in love with them or not, Russia needs the best players to have a chance to be a winning team in a tournament like this, where all the other teams will have the best players in the country, period. This means that Radulov and Kovalchuk should be on the roster. I don't think any coach has had to prod Radulov to work hard, because he is a ferocious competitor. Maybe Kovalchuk needs a little extra coaching at times, but he is an extremely dangerous goal scorer, and that is what is needed. No other teams will be sending "defensive specialists" like Kulemin, Anisimov and Telegin. I also really doubt that Dadonov and Shipachyov will be as effective on small ice against defensemen such as they will meet up with.
 
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