World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Finland

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Tell me for example just when Donskoi became the better one compared to Armia.

Okay, maybe I should ask what the heck happened to Armia, instead. But anyways, it doesn't make Donskoi suddenly a top-6 guy in so called Team Finland.
I'd say he became the better option compared to Armia last spring, when he actually put up some showings in men's NT. Those may not be much, but still more than what Armia has. And having better merits carried on in this pre-season, because Donskoi is going to actually play in the NHL whereas Armia's already hit the farm.

Does this mean that Donskoi is absolutely a better player than Armia? Can't say for sure. But the merits he has accrued make him a top-six or at least a top-nine forward in the current best possible iteration of Team Finland. Because, apart from a bunch of centers who can be slotted into wings, only relevant non-grinder wingers with more merit than him are J.Jokinen and Pulkkinen.

Who knows, maybe Donskoi gets sent to the minors and Armia books a slot in the Jets' top-six as the season progresses - and some of Rantanen (who's already very close), Kapanen, Keränen and who else pull off the same in their respective teams - making Donskoi the not-so-obvious choice. But as of right now, he actually is the third best natural winger we have.
 
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^ Sure. No doubt.

But it is mindblowing nevertheless. You just cannot be sure about these prospects not even then when you are.

Armia >>> Donskoi WJC 2012 (?) - and what we've got now is something else.

Armia - is he a Jets nowadays? Oh boy, how did I ever miss that?

And what is the problem with Armia, anyway? Why doesn't he just to pull it all togehter, finally? It's about time. Talent is there. Or it was, at least. Once.

- Does he lack something? In the realm of the mental? :shakehead
 
Armia ended up being collateral last season when the Sabres acquired Evander Kane.

While he certainly hasn't exactly managed to live up to all the grand expectations we had of him, I don't consider him a lost cause yet.

Matter of fact, he's a year younger than Pulkkinen and pretty much in a similar point on his career as Pulu was a year ago. He's not that far down on the Jets' injury callups list, might get a handful of games - and will get to play big minutes in the AHL. If he can pull off a good scoring season down in the farm, he can get a cheap-o one-way next summer and a chance to show he deserves a job. The parallels sure are there.

No comment on whether that'll be enough to break this roster, guess it partly depends on how seriously our management is approaching this abomination. If not very, they might take a flyer on some of the guys on the brink. Also, if the Jets and their farm don't do too well, some timely WHC action can raise a guy's stock as we've seen in a number of occasions.
 
Would you rather have another useless left handed grinder a'la Bergenheim or Ruutu there?

Although I would agree that 'useless' describes both Ruutu and Bergenheim rather well at the moment, I don't see Marjamäki leaving Tuomo off the team. Unless he smells the coffee on his own, I bet he's coming. Why? Well, remember J. Jalonen leaving JJ off the Vancouver team? That didn't do him any favors as the new NT head coach, even J. Ruutu said as much in his biography. Sure, it wasn't the only reason the NHLers didn't really trust him at first, but it was a part of it. JJ in 2009-2010 was of course a much better player than Tuomo is now, but still, the guy's popular and has been a loyal NT player for a long time. I doubt Marjamäki wants to start his stint by pissing off important players.
 
re: Ruutu

While I agree with the general point that sometimes players make it thanks to other tangibles than just their on-ice performance, let's try not to draw too many parallels. The Vancouver team was practically full of those guys born in the 70s and early 80s who had been around the NT block for 10-15 years and had used to doing things in a certain manner.

When Marjamäki starts his tenure, it's practically a fresh team where even guys with five years of NT action like Granlund and Vatanen are relative vets, and even they are already familiar with Marjamäki, both from Sochi and his U20 days. (Then again, you could say that Jalonen was not completely alien to his key players either, since many of them had featured already in the 2008 WHC team when he was Doug Shedden's co-coach.) And while they too have played with Ruutu a bit, they still represent the future and probably don't think he is as integral as someone who may have shared the locker room with him time and again and spent a dozen summers training together. Even players born in the late 80s may not mind as much as those born in the earlier half of the same decade. While just two or three years apart from him, it's hard to see guys like Lehterä, Komarov and Korpikoski who all made their senior debuts under Jalonen being disgruntled, given how little they've been influenced by the old guard who now have cleared their lockers for good.

Who could potentially mind Ruutu's absence? Well, there's forementioned Jokinen, maybe Filppula, and... well, welp. Guess I should admit it could be an issue how your captain's gonna feel about the thing, being the guy's BFF and all. And off the ice, there's GM Lehtinen who might harbor some feelings towards him.

Still, if there is an opposition, it will almost certainly be way smaller than what Jalonen had in Vancouver, and unlike JJ back then, dropping Ruutu is even easier to justify if you have better options for top-9 now and even the 4th line can be populated with guys like Komarov and Korpikoski. Not to mention Immonen, the guy who ended up taking most flak for robbing Jokinen's spot, was a complete non-factor to the squad back then and sure felt like nothing but a coach's pet to most. Probably including some of those other players. It's kinda ironic really that this was compared to JJ and Vancouver, because if Ruutu ends up being picked, it's likely not because there's a player less deserving to go - it's because *he* is the pet.

Bottom line, I don't think it's the same when you have a guy who was playing a standout season at the time compared to someone whose star seems to be waning and most fellow players from his heyday have already quit. Besides, Ruutu's contract is up too - it might be he does not even have a job in the league by the time this thing comes up. He must amp it up big time from last season's slump to remain a player of relevance to most GMs. Which would, of course, solve this issue too, making him a more justified pick. But if he doesn't, he may even have to resort to taking a PTO to some camp, in which case it would actually be idiotic for him to risk an injury playing in something that could pretty much be called an exhibition tournament of questionable prestige. And even if that last bit had a bit of my personal resentment towards this money grab seeping through, we're still talking about putting your entire career on the line for two weeks' worth of fun and games.
 
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Teräväinen - Barkov - Pulkkinen

Granlund - Koivu - Filppula

J. Jokinen - Lehterä - Rantanen

Ruutu / Pihlström - Kemppainen - Komarov


Vatanen - Määttä

Ristolainen - Jokipakka

Kukkonen - Lindell / Lindbohm

Rask, Rinne, Niemi
 
Teräväinen - Barkov - Pulkkinen
J.Jokinen - Koivu - Filppula
Granlund - Lehterä - Komarov
Osala - Kontiola - Hartikainen

Vatanen - Määttä
Ristolainen - Jokipakka
Lepistö - Jaakola

Rinne
Rask
Raanta
 
Teräväinen - Barkov - Pulkkinen
J.Jokinen - Koivu - Filppula
Granlund - Lehterä - Komarov
Osala - Kontiola - Hartikainen

Vatanen - Määttä
Ristolainen - Jokipakka
Lepistö - Jaakola

Rinne
Rask
Raanta
Granlund on the third line and Osala, Kontiola and Hartikainen there? I don't think the NHL would allow Finland to make such a travesty of this exhibition tournament...
 
Granlund on the third line and Osala, Kontiola and Hartikainen there? I don't think the NHL would allow Finland to make such a travesty of this exhibition tournament...

Haula, Korpi and Donoski instead of Osala, Kontiola and Hartikainen?
 
If Armia makes world cup roster I'll eat hatload of *****. He hasn't done anything to deserve a spot. I'd like to see Rantanen as well some day but not before Jokinen (who's been dropped on many of these lineups). This is best on best not some prospect tournament
 
If Armia makes world cup roster I'll eat hatload of *****. He hasn't done anything to deserve a spot. I'd like to see Rantanen as well some day but not before Jokinen (who's been dropped on many of these lineups). This is best on best not some prospect tournament

It is an NHL exhibition tournament, some of the names will be there because they will make the NHL full time eventually.
 
It is an NHL exhibition tournament, some of the names will be there because they will make the NHL full time eventually.

Finland always takes international tournaments seriously so selecting a guy just to promote NHL does not ring familiar at all.

I can't think of a single reason why Armia would be selected, unless of course he has some huge breakout spring.
 
Is Vatanen a lock as the number one d-men in PP? Will he even be playing in both PP formations?
 
Add to myself, they're both Rights. But seen many left-left pairings working though.
 
Add to myself, they're both Rights. But seen many left-left pairings working though.
D-men with same hook are usually paired only when there isn't an equal amount of them. Lefties are more abundant, so L-L is naturally more common. There's no reason why R-R wouldn't work either, but if there are lefties available too, such a pairing is unlikely.

In this case, I figure one of them will be paired with Määttä, and the other with Lindell.
 
D-men with same hook are usually paired only when there isn't an equal amount of them. Lefties are more abundant, so L-L is naturally more common. There's no reason why R-R wouldn't work either, but if there are lefties available too, such a pairing is unlikely.

In this case, I figure one of them will be paired with Määttä, and the other with Lindell.

Having vats and risto in seperate pairings will give more than 2/3 of the minutes played chance for great first passes and openings, as one of them is there. Them in the same pairing would be constant danger for opponent when they're on the ice, as no matter which guy had the puck, it would be a good first play coming by our D.

I'd even seperate them myself, but it would be still nice to check if it works.
 
When Vatanen was playing Niskala's cleanup guy they usually had Vatanen at right at faceoffs, but in play they were almost always on their off-sides. I don't think Vatanen is all that bad on the left side, but frankly.. Now that we have two good righty guys I would rather go for balance.
 
Granlund-Koivu-Filppula
Teräväinen-Barkov-Donskoi
Pulkkinen-Lehterä-Jokinen
Korpikoski-Kemppainen-Komarov
Salomäki

Ristolainen-Määttä
Vatanen-Lindbohm
Lindell-Jokipakka
Pokka


Rask
Rinne
Niemi
 
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Granlund-Koivu-Komarov
Jokinen-Barkov-Donskoi
Pulkkinen-Lehterä-Teräväinen
Korpikoski-Filppula-Enlund
Kontiola


Ristolainen-Määttä
Vatanen-Lepisto
Hietanen-Jokipakka
Salmela

Lehtonen
Rask
Rinne
 
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1st line Granlund Barkov Pulkkinen
Vatanen Ristolainen

2nd line Teräväinen Koivu Filppula
Pokka Määttä

3rd line Jokinen Kemppainen Donskoi.
Lindell Jokipakka

4th line Komarov Haula Salomäki
Kukkonen Lindbohm

13th forward Ruutu.

Goalies
Rask
Rinne
Saros
 
1st line Granlund Barkov Pulkkinen
Vatanen Ristolainen

2nd line Teräväinen Koivu Filppula
Pokka Määttä

3rd line Jokinen Lehterä Komarov
Lindell Jokipakka

4th line Laine - Aho - Polojärvi
Kukkonen Lindbohm

13th forward Ruutu.

Goalies
Rask
Rinne
Texas mud fight between Niemi and Lehtonen. One lousy pulled hamstring and the harmonic joy spreading big smiling water bearer is in! So to speak.

Kiddielainen (patriahojärvilainen) polka Worldcuppia Toronto hyvvä suomilaiset Santaanaa!
 
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1st line Granlund Barkov Pulkkinen
Vatanen Ristolainen

2nd line Teräväinen Koivu Filppula
Pokka Määttä

3rd line Jokinen Lehterä Komarov
Lindell Jokipakka

4th line Laine - Aho - Polojärvi
Kukkonen Lindbohm

13th forward Ruutu.

Goalies
Rask
Rinne
Texas mud fight between Niemi and Lehtonen

Kiddielainen (patriahojärvilainen) polka Worldcuppia Toronto hyvvä suomilaiset Santaanaa!

thats a really weak team apart from goalies.
 
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