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World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Canada (Part II)

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cornfed said:
This is the exact thing I said to a friend. Bergeron plays well with Crosby which not many do.Marchard plays well with Bergeron. I'm willing to bet this would be Canada's best line.
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I'm not sure if this matters, or if a Marchand Crosby Bergeron line is even a good idea, but Marchand has trained with Crosby from time to time in Halifax during off seasons.
 
cornfed said:
This is the exact thing I said to a friend. Bergeron plays well with Crosby which not many do.Marchard plays well with Bergeron. I'm willing to bet this would be Canada's best line.
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That line could work nicely, particularly in a situation that sees Babcock rolling all four lines fairly evenly (which was in the case in 2010, but not so much in 2014). Crosby and Bergeron are a given, as they've had amazing chemistry going all the way back to the 2005 WJHCs. The RH / LH balance on faceoffs is a big plus as well. I thought they were great together in Sochi, but in terms of production were held back quite a bit by Kunitz. They had their best game when Benn was on their line.

Finding wingers that can compliment Crosby has always been a challenge, and while he's been good at the Olympics, he's honestly been a little underwhelming at both tournaments (IMO). What could work, in in theory are a pure sniper (Stamkos); a guy like Hall or Duchene who can match Crosby's speed and read off of him offensively, but play a relatively simple north-south game; or a high-IQ guy like Tavares who can maintain possession and work patiently in the offensive zone. Marchand probably fits this last description best. Personally, I thought Crosby and Hall looked great together at the 2015 WHCs and I'd like to see them get another shot together. Though, I wouldn't be opposed to Marchand being on the team and getting a look with Crosby & Bergeron. Worse case, they don't gel and Marchand fills a role as an energy guy and PKer.
 
Izzy said:
Marchand-Crosby-Bergeron should definitely be a line, or at least be tried.
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Agreed. Was ridiculed a couple pages back for this suggestion but Marchand is now Canada's top goal scorer with his 34th tonight. Two more than Benn or Seguin.

Rumour has it that after the suspension this year Marchand went to a sports psychologist. Whatever it is, he is now only four goals behind Kane.
 
yourbestfriend said:
I have nothing against marchand, but in my mind as an entire package he brings nothing to the team that duchene or oreily don't, outside of being a pain in the ass for the other team. If it were the playoff's, yah sure maybe i'd prefer marchand, but the WC? give me oreily. Dunno how much value marchand he adds to the team.

I guess an argument could be made that he's great on the PK, but that's the same argument for bringing in a guy whose a PP specialist. Do you pick specialty or overall ability?
Based on TC's past decisions, I'm guessing the later. I guess we'll find out
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He brings more goals than both. He is Canada's top goal scorer now. Hell, he has TWICE the amount of goals than O'Reilly. That's not even close in comparison. At least Duchene is only 6 goals behind Marchand and plays a complete game.

I'll take scoring ability on my wings and a guy who scores at a pace twice as much as the suggested competition. Bonus if he has a Cup ring and some WJC golds to go with his game seven stats.
 
if Marchand makes the team, that could very well mean only one of Hall/Duchene/O'Reilly makes it too.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
if Marchand makes the team, that could very well mean only one of Hall/Duchene/O'Reilly makes it too.
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That's if you include Giroux making the team along with O'Reilly. (which I do) Marchand wouldn't be on my roster, but based on play and results he deserves to be there.

If we assume Marchand and Perry make the cut (likely) then given the roster spots already allocated, both Hall and Duchene would be cuts. Personally, I'd take Hall over Marchand. And one of Giordano or Subban gets cut. And that would be a 23 man roster.

J BENN T SEGUIN C GIROUX
B MARCHAND S CROSBY P BERGERON
J TAVARES J TOWES J CARTER
R O’REILLY R GETZLAF C PERRY

T HALL M DUCHENE S STAMKOS

D KEITH S WEBER
M.E. VLASIC D DOUGHTY
T.J. BRODIE B BURNS
M GIORDANO P.K. SUBBAN

C PRICE
B HOLTBY
C CRAWFORD

And I still have no intention of watching this contrived gimmicky nonsense. :)
 
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Stamkos - Crosby - Bergeron
Benn - Giroux - Seguin
Duchene - Toews - Carter
Tavares - Getzlaf - Perry
Marchand

Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Petro - Subban
Burns

Price
Holtby
Crawford

however i'd prefer to go with

Marchand - Crosby - Stamkos
Benn - Giroux - Seguin
ROR - Toews - Bergeron
Duchesne - Getzlaf - Perry
Carter
 
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hi

Can you guys name me some 24 and under future good defense man for canada ?

Reilly
Murray
Ekblad

Who else?

Nurse?
Hamilton?

It doesnt look to promising??
 
IKnowNothing said:
hi

Can you guys name me some 24 and under future good defense man for canada ?

Reilly
Murray
Ekblad

Who else?

Nurse?
Hamilton?

It doesnt look to promising??
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Ekblad and Reilly I'm a pretty big fan of.

Others:
Tyson Barrie
TJ Brodie(only 25yo)
Colton Parayko
Cody Ceci
Shea Theodore
Joshua Morrissey
Jacob Chychrun

Lots of potential there. I don't see the issue. How many other teams have great U-24 defenders?
 
Canada is strong. I think it's tough to assemble a team when you have so many good players. But hockey is a team game which is the best thing about it.
 
IKnowNothing said:
hi

Can you guys name me some 24 and under future good defense man for canada ?

Reilly
Murray
Ekblad

Who else?

Nurse?
Hamilton?

It doesnt look to promising??
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On the surface it seems there are less super star/stud defensemen coming through the pipelines, but defensemen develop a little different than forwards. They are more likely to come more out of nowhere. Even if you look at guys like Vlasic (not necessarily out of nowhere, but never touted like a superstar), the Calgary duo (Gio I don't even think was drafted, and Brodie was never highly touted), Duncan Keith I doubt was ever heralded as a franchise like defensemen, and I highly doubt anyone had him on Olympic rosters even as of 2008.
 
TSN and CBC broadcasts consider to ask the question about Mark Stone.

Currently doubling up on the the 2nd place person in the takeaway stat.

Unquestionably one of the games most underrated and underobserved stars.
 
IKnowNothing said:
hi

Can you guys name me some 24 and under future good defense man for canada ?

Reilly
Murray
Ekblad

Who else?

Nurse?
Hamilton?

It doesnt look to promising??
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Bigras is an under the radar freshly turned 21 yo with 21 games under his belt coming up as a Hamhuis/Vlasic type
 
Gigantor The Goalie said:
Ekblad and Reilly I'm a pretty big fan of.

Others:
Tyson Barrie
TJ Brodie(only 25yo)
Colton Parayko
Cody Ceci
Shea Theodore
Joshua Morrissey
Jacob Chychrun

Lots of potential there. I don't see the issue. How many other teams have great U-24 defenders?
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Although early Ben Hutton deserves to be in this conversation. The guy has like 25 points in his rookie season and you have 2 guys that have barely played in the nhl and one guy who isn't even drafted yet
 
I see a lot of people unhappy with Subban being left off of the initial 16 and the Giroux snub(s) (both the intial 16 and Sochi), however it seems very obvious to me that the coaching and managerial staff are more concerned with constructing a compact, possession dominant team that works together and does what it takes to win as a team with a common gameplan than just picking the most talented players.

I see more of Subban as a Leaf fan, and while the guy is obviously incredibly talented, he does cough up the puck a lot with his risky plays. He's outstanding, but that doesn't mean he's the right choice. In Sochi he was NEVER going to displace Weber or Doughty, and Pietrangelo is a solid and consitant defenseman. He played great and hell, I guess the braintrust saw him as a better option than Subban, despite the man's obvious talents. Canada was dominant in a way that I've never seen in the NHL (yes....I'm a Leafs fan).

As for Giroux, again the guy is uber talented, but I always got the impression that he rubbed the coaching and maybe some key players the wrong way. I have zero facts and it's pure speculation, but maybe he acted like an ass during the training camps they put on. Using the World Championships as an example isn't fair as we all know that with few exceptions is 14 teams of younger, injury free, guys that go. He did play great in the ones that he's attended (I lived in Europe and watched all of them), but maybe he just didn't buy into the system that Babcock and company were damanding of all of these rich stars. More talented than guys like Sharp and Kunitz? We all know the answer to that, but the braintrust had to construct a team, and we've all seen Team Canada's crash out of tournaments (1998, 2006), and also be far from dominant (1996, even 2002).

They DOMINATED Sochi. I'm willing to trust in their selections.
 
earlimus said:
I see a lot of people unhappy with Subban being left off of the initial 16 and the Giroux snub(s) (both the intial 16 and Sochi), however it seems very obvious to me that the coaching and managerial staff are more concerned with constructing a compact, possession dominant team that works together and does what it takes to win as a team with a common gameplan than just picking the most talented players.

I see more of Subban as a Leaf fan, and while the guy is obviously incredibly talented, he does cough up the puck a lot with his risky plays. He's outstanding, but that doesn't mean he's the right choice. In Sochi he was NEVER going to displace Weber or Doughty, and Pietrangelo is a solid and consitant defenseman. He played great and hell, I guess the braintrust saw him as a better option than Subban, despite the man's obvious talents. Canada was dominant in a way that I've never seen in the NHL (yes....I'm a Leafs fan).

As for Giroux, again the guy is uber talented, but I always got the impression that he rubbed the coaching and maybe some key players the wrong way. I have zero facts and it's pure speculation, but maybe he acted like an ass during the training camps they put on. Using the World Championships as an example isn't fair as we all know that with few exceptions is 14 teams of younger, injury free, guys that go. He did play great in the ones that he's attended (I lived in Europe and watched all of them), but maybe he just didn't buy into the system that Babcock and company were damanding of all of these rich stars. More talented than guys like Sharp and Kunitz? We all know the answer to that, but the braintrust had to construct a team, and we've all seen Team Canada's crash out of tournaments (1998, 2006), and also be far from dominant (1996, even 2002).

They DOMINATED Sochi. I'm willing to trust in their selections.
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They aren't bad selections, but there is no need to speculate on Giroux rubbing people the wrong way at a camp (he didn't even attend the camp for the 2014 Olympics) or that it's connected to the World Championship, where Hockey Canada selected him as Canada's best forward over Crosby/Hall/Duchene/Spezza/Seguin and company.

I can see Subban not being an ideal fit with the conservative coaching staff, but he certainly would be useful on the PP.
 
I hope both Subban and Burns make it, but what the hell, it doesn't really matter. We could ice "Team B" defensemen and still be pretty ok.

I think this D would do well :laugh:

Pietrangelo - Letang
Brodie - Seabrook
Muzzin - Barrie
Ekblad
 
True Hockey Fan said:
I hope both Subban and Burns make it, but what the hell, it doesn't really matter. We could ice "Team B" defensemen and still be pretty ok.

I think this D would do well :laugh:

Pietrangelo - Letang
Brodie - Seabrook
Muzzin - Barrie
Ekblad
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Outside of Sweden and USA Canada's second tier defencemen are much better than what any country can put out as their defence.
 
Minister of Offence said:
TSN and CBC broadcasts consider to ask the question about Mark Stone.

Currently doubling up on the the 2nd place person in the takeaway stat.

Unquestionably one of the games most underrated and underobserved stars.
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Well he has 105 points in 115 game since being played in a top 6 position in January of 2015. This includes a month this season where he only had 2 points in 12 games playing with an injured Kyle Turris. He is the highest scoring Canadian right winger this season, has 8 more points than the 2nd highest scoring Canadian RW.

He is the 7th highest scoring Canadian in the NHL right now. So just based on points alone he should be in the conversation.

Defensive Play.

Mark Stone currently has 122 takeaways. Second place is Jeff Skinner with 67. A staggering stat line compared to his peers.

If he is not atleast considered to play on the team its a travesty, if you watch him night in night out its astonishing how much better he makes the players around him. Think about what he could do with elite talent on his line, he plays well with everyone. He is easily having the best season in the NHL of any Canadian right winger.

My team Canada

Marchand Crosby Bergeron
Benn Seguin Stamkos
Tavares Getzlaf Perry
Giroux Toews Stone
O'Rielly Carter

Keith Doughty
Giordano Weber
Brodie Seabrook
Vlasic Burns

Price
Holtby
Crawford
 
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