World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Canada (Part II)

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Are you sure? Did you go to law school?

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I would bet good money neither make the team, HC just doesnt seem to like either player.

No, but I did go to Architecture school :laugh: Not sure why anyone would think hockey Canada has some ax to grind with these two.
 
No, but I did go to Architecture school :laugh: Not sure why anyone would think hockey Canada has some ax to grind with these two.

I don't know, maybe it's the fact that they selected Kunitz over G despite him putting Philly on his back en route to the playoffs and a Hart nomination after a slow start?
 
Armstrong is following Yzerman's blueprint. And he is brilliant to do so.

Core from the 2005 WJC greatest gold medal team.

Weber
Carter
Crosby
Getzlaf
Perry
Bergeron

Add them to these 3 multiple cup winners for gold medal winning teams in 2010 and 2014.

Toews
Doughty
Keith

The rest are nice players, but give me this essential core, build around them. And you have one hard team to beat.
 
I don't know, maybe it's the fact that they selected Kunitz over G despite him putting Philly on his back en route to the playoffs and a Hart nomination after a slow start?

Correct me if I'm wrong, , but wasn't the team selected based on pairs [ Crosby-Kuniz , Getzlaf-Perry etc. ] more than how players were playing then?
 
Armstrong is following Yzerman's blueprint. And he is brilliant to do so.

Core from the 2005 WJC greatest gold medal team.

Weber
Carter
Crosby
Getzlaf
Perry
Bergeron

Add them to these 3 multiple cup winners for gold medal winning teams in 2010 and 2014.

Toews
Doughty
Keith

The rest are nice players, but give me this essential core, build around them. And you have one hard team to beat.

Sure, you have a core that has proven that it can win, but it's not necessarily the absolute best that can be built from the players available.

It's only essential because you've seen it before.
 
Sure, you have a core that has proven that it can win, but it's not necessarily the absolute best that can be built from the players available.

It's safe, more than anything.

There is nothing better than having a proven winning core that has a chemistry together and building around it.

What's that saying, don't fix what's not broken.

Team>one player
 
Too many players and not enough spots .

Geroux should be there as well as Hall .

Hall-Crosby-Stamkos

Benn-Giroux-Seguin

O'Rielly-Toews-Perry

Marchand-Bergeron-Carter

That would be my top 12 to start the tourny .
 
If I'm Armstrong, I'm taking 8 D-men.

Canada will have at least 13 forwards. If something were to happen and 2 got injured, it shouldn't be an issue to dress 11 F and 7 D with the level of talent Canada has up front. Having to rotate someone through the line-up when the 4th line goes out shouldn't be an issue for a team with forwards of this caliber.

Now that we know 16 out of 23, here's my picks for the rest of Team Canada, including lines:

Benn - Crosby - Stamkos
Tavares - Toews - Carter
Hall - Getzlaf - Perry
Marchand - Bergeron - Seguin

Extra: O'Reilly

Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Giordano - Pietrangelo

Extras: Brodie, Subban

Price
Holtby
Crawford

Teams are only allowed 20 skaters, so you cannot choose 13 forwards and 8 defencemen.

I agree. Giroux is not going to beat out Bergeron, Crosby, Getzlaf, and or Toews at Center on this team. These are the 4 that Centered the most dominating Gold medal team since NHL players were allowed to play in the tournament.

The team scored 17 GF and allowed only 3 GA the entire tournament. It was simply a team that was dominating. Absolutely no reason to mess with the chemistry of this team's core.

IMO Giroux is competing for a bottom 3 role on this team. He will perhaps get St Louis' spot on this team this time around.

Really there is little to critique Armstrong for in his roster decisions at this point. Carter has always represented Canada extremely well, he is a terrific winger/center, he has a history of winning while being a key contributor with multiple Golds for his country, and 2 Cup to his credit. He recently led all fwds in points at Sochi. He's earned his spot in the top 16.

There is no reason why Giroux should be picked in front of him.

Bergeron was not a centre on the 2014 Olympic team, and he very likely isn't going to be a centre on this team. Giroux's competition for a centre spot was Tavares and Getzlaf.
 
Teams are only allowed 20 skaters, so you cannot choose 13 forwards and 8 defencemen.



Bergeron was not a centre on the 2014 Olympic team, and he very likely isn't going to be a centre on this team. Giroux's competition for a centre spot was Tavares and Getzlaf.

Bergeron took faceoffs, so yes he played Center. He also played wing so you are correct there.
 
Don't care he wasn't selected part of the top 16 but Giroux should be one of the 4 forwards making the final cut. No Marleau or Sharp this time around. MSL doesn't count since this time Stammer IS on the team (fingers crossed).
 
I fully expect Giroux to make this team in the end. Would have named him today, but it is what it is. Expect Perry and Hall to be there as well.
 
I don't know, maybe it's the fact that they selected Kunitz over G despite him putting Philly on his back en route to the playoffs and a Hart nomination after a slow start?

K relax, Martin St.louis was a much bigger snub than Giroux that year.
 
Too many players and not enough spots .

Geroux should be there as well as Hall .

Hall-Crosby-Stamkos

Benn-Giroux-Seguin

O'Rielly-Toews-Perry

Marchand-Bergeron-Carter

That would be my top 12 to start the tourny .

Getzlaf..
 
Getzlaf..

What about him ?

Like i said , we have too many deserving players and not enough spots . A case can be made for more than a few players that deserve to be on the team that won't .
 
Pretty typical of a team Canada selection. People whine and complain for months about a couple players that got left off then Canada wins anyways and it doesn't matter.
 
What about him ?

Like i said , we have too many deserving players and not enough spots . A case can be made for more than a few players that deserve to be on the team that won't .

He's already named to the team yet you added 5 more forwards.. There's a total of 20 skaters allowed and Canada has only named 4 defenseman, do the math. There'll be at least 3 more defenseman on this team, and probably 4 more forwards.

You have Perry in, there's no way Getzlaf/Perry do not start together in both of them make it.
 
He's already named to the team yet you added 5 more forwards.. There's a total of 20 skaters allowed and Canada has only named 4 defenseman, do the math. There'll be at least 3 more defenseman on this team, and probably 4 more forwards.

You have Perry in, there's no way Getzlaf/Perry do not start together in both of them make it.

I Know who's already been named to the team , i'm just posting who i believe should be our top 12 forwards .

I like Getz , i just like Giroux more and i'd go with two Selke winners at C to go with Sid and JG . This being said we could make up multiple combinations and still be the favorite to win gold
 
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so Giroux wasn't selected on the team so far because he doesn't play mistake free hockey yet Tavares-Seguin-Stamkos-Getzlaf do?

JG is one of the top 2 way forwards in the game and it's a disgrace he keeps getting treated this way .

I agree. Giroux could have easily been put in the top 6 above Stamkos, Or Tavares. But team Canada went with Stamkos and Tavares. I love me some Giroux but I like those players slightly more. Benn and Seguin too, they are superstars and Benn is a beast. The fact it's ripping you guys apart. Is hilarious. TJ Brodie is on pace for 60+ points (mostly even strength) +25 on a basement dwelling team with no goaltending. On talent he's a top 7 D on Canada no doubt about it. But I wouldn't be surprised if they go with Pieterangelo, Burns, Seabrook, Subban or some other great D-man.

As for Getzlaf, he's one of the best players in the NHL. He had a horrible start. But he looks to be a dominant player. Not to mention he's one of the best defensive centers in the league (that statement is overused but it's true with Getz). Plus, he has been, along with Toews, consistently Canada's best player in international tourneys over the last year. Oh yeah and he's known to play his best in big games. I'm sorry but anyone that questions Getzlafs place on this team needs to stay up later or record a few games on PVR. The guy is unstoppable when he wants to be. Benn- Getzlaf- Perry... Terrifying.
 
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I agree. Giroux could have easily been put in the top 6 above Stamkos, Or Tavares. But team Canada went with Stamkos and Tavares. I love me some Giroux but I like those players slightly more. Benn and Seguin too, they are superstars and Benn is a beast. The fact it's ripping you guys apart. Is hilarious. TJ Brodie is on pace for 60+ points (mostly even strength) +25 on a basement dwelling team with no goaltending. On talent he's a top 7 D on Canada no doubt about it. But I wouldn't be surprised if they go with Pieterangelo, Burns, Seabrook, Subban or some other great D-man.

As for Getzlaf, he's one of the best players in the NHL. He had a horrible start. But he looks to be a dominant player. Not to mention he's one of the best defensive centers in the league (that statement is overused but it's true with Getz). Plus, he has been, along with Toews, consistently Canada's best player in international tourneys over the last year. Oh yeah and he's known to play his best in big games. I'm sorry but anyone that questions Getzlafs place on this team needs to stay up later or record a few games on PVR. The guy is unstoppable when he wants to be. Benn- Getzlaf- Perry... Terrifying.

Wouldn't it bug you? It's annoying that some ridiculous little specter is haunting G because he happened to have a slow start to a season in which he eventually received a Hart nomination.

I agree, though, Getz certainly deserves his spot.
 
Hall - Crosby - Stamkos
Benn - Bergeron - Seguin
Tavares - Toews - Carter
Duchene - Getzlaf - Perry
Giroux

Just missed: Marchand

Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Brodie - Subban
Burns

Just missed: Giordano

Price
Holtby
Crawford

Key takeaways:

-TC will likely choose 2 RHD and 1 LHD among the final 3. Subban imo is close to a lock given his services in Sochi and him having the best all-around game among the pool of offensive RHD in Subban/Burns/Letang. That leaves the final RHD spot between Burns and Pietrangelo whom plays for STL GM Doug Armstrong. As the 7th defensemen, I would think they'd choose a dynamic scorer as a change of pace player, or someone who can step in should one of the top 3 RHD (Weber/Doughty/Subban) not play well or go down. It'll be tough for Armstrong to not take Pietrangelo but with Bouwmeester realistically not in the running, the chemistry factor that made them locks for Sochi will no longer be there. Burns was also a big contributor on the 2015 Worlds team. The lone LHD comes down to Brodie or Giordano. Tough call as Giordano was perhaps the Norris favourite last year before the season ending injury, but Brodie has been CAL's best dman this year. However, it wouldn't shock me if TC ultimately decided that the dynamic pairing of Giordano/Brodie (left handed shot who plays as the RD on CAL's top pairing) bumps Burns out of the top 7.

-The final 4 forward spots realistically come down to this pool of 5 for me. Perry/Giroux/Hall/Duchene/Marchand. All of these forwards can and will likely slot in on the wing, and all except Marchand have featured on either the 2014 OLY team or the 2015 Worlds team. Giroux is perhaps the most talented two-way player of this bunch and would fill in comfortably at RW. Perry is the lone natural RW and given his chemistry with Getzlaf, I would be shocked if he didn't make it. That leaves the last 2 between the 3 of Hall/Duchene/Marchand. Stylistically, Hall and Duchene are more similar than Marchand, who brings an element of physicality and ability to kill penalties to the table. Hall is a natural LW so he has that going for him, but Duchene is the better goal scorer. Both bring speed and were key factors on the 2015 Worlds team. Marchand however isn't as proven on the best-on-best int'l stage as he was on neither the 2014 OLY or 2015 Worlds team. Hall also had some good chemistry with Crosby at the Worlds going in his favour. Marchand is probably the last cut among the fwds.

-Line combination-wise, I would imagine Bergeron and Toews will not be on the same line to spread around their defensive presence and ability to win face offs.

-Toughest cuts to me would end up being Marchand/Giordano/Pietrangelo (when you consider his GM in STL is also the one calling the shots for TC) but it wouldn't shock me to one or more of them make it. I would however be surprised if someone who hasn't really been discussed much like Couture or Muzzin made it, but Couture in particular could have played at the 2015 Worlds but chose not to is my understanding. This will hurt his consideration with the TC brass but he actually has a very versatile game and can easily slot in at LW while bringing a defensive presence. Muzzin played at the 2015 Worlds and he partners Doughty on LA's top pairing.
 
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Hall - Crosby - Stamkos
Benn - Bergeron - Seguin
Tavares - Toews - Carter
Duchene - Getzlaf - Perry
Giroux

Just missed: Marchand

Keith - Weber
Vlasic - Doughty
Brodie - Subban
Burns

Just missed: Giordano

Price
Holtby
Crawford

Key takeaways:

-TC will likely choose 2 RHD and 1 LHD among the final 3. Subban imo is close to a lock given his services in Sochi and him having the best all-around game among the pool of offensive RHD in Subban/Burns/Letang. That leaves the final RHD spot between Burns and Pietrangelo whom plays for STL GM Doug Armstrong. As the 7th defensemen, I would think they'd choose a dynamic scorer as a change of pace player, or someone who can step in should one of the top 3 RHD (Weber/Doughty/Subban) not play well or go down. It'll be tough for Armstrong to not take Pietrangelo but with Bouwmeester realistically not in the running, the chemistry factor that made them locks for Sochi will no longer be there. Burns was also a big contributor on the 2015 Worlds team. The lone LHD comes down to Brodie or Giordano. Tough call as Giordano was perhaps the Norris favourite last year before the season ending injury, but Brodie has been CAL's best dman this year. However, it wouldn't shock me if TC ultimately decided that the dynamic pairing of Giordano/Brodie (left handed shot who plays as the RD on CAL's top pairing) bumps Burns out of the top 7.

-The final 4 forward spots realistically come down to this pool of 5 for me. Perry/Giroux/Hall/Duchene/Marchand. All of these forwards can and will likely slot in on the wing, and all except Marchand have featured on either the 2014 OLY team or the 2015 Worlds team. Giroux is perhaps the most talented two-way player of this bunch and would fill in comfortably at RW. Perry is the lone natural RW and given his chemistry with Getzlaf, I would be shocked if he didn't make it. That leaves the last 2 between the 3 of Hall/Duchene/Marchand. Stylistically, Hall and Duchene are more similar than Marchand, who brings an element of physicality and ability to kill penalties to the table. Hall is a natural LW so he has that going for him, but Duchene is the better goal scorer. Both bring speed and were key factors on the 2015 Worlds team. Marchand however isn't as proven on the best-on-best int'l stage as he was on neither the 2014 OLY or 2015 Worlds team. Hall also had some good chemistry with Crosby at the Worlds going in his favour. Marchand is probably the last cut among the fwds.

-Line combination-wise, I would imagine Bergeron and Toews will not be on the same line to spread around their defensive presence and ability to win face offs.

-Toughest cuts to me would end up being Marchand/Giordano/Pietrangelo (when you consider his GM in STL is also the one calling the shots for TC) but it wouldn't shock me to one or more of them make it. I would however be surprised if someone who hasn't really been discussed much like Couture or Muzzin made it, but Couture in particular could have played at the 2015 Worlds but chose not to is my understanding. This will hurt his consideration with the TC brass but he actually has a very versatile game and can easily slot in at LW while bringing a defensive presence. Muzzin played at the 2015 Worlds and he partners Doughty on LA's top pairing.

I don't care what kind of half a season he has been having, is Marchand really Canada's 14th best forward?
 
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