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WC: 2016 Team USA

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Mr Writer said:
very young and very good team, but I'd still leave a few spots open for players making an early PO exit, i.e. Gostisbehere. I know you're a Philly fan and don't want to think of it, but Philly isn't doing **** against Washington except maybe win 1 game. Add I still think adding Moses from SKA is worth another shot...you have 25 roster spots, so why not give it a try.

but I like the looks of that team and hopefully it happens.
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Oh, right, why not, of course. My projected line-up is based only on non play-off teams and then I am predicting that Detroit and Colorado are the teams that misses the play-offs, don't want to predict more scenarios... like who will lose in the 1st round or how quickly. We will see that. Is USA known for adding a player or two after the 1st round exits? I can't remember that. Oh, Charlie Coyle last year, I think.

And yes, as a Flyers fan, realistically, I am not getting my hopes up in a possible Flyers - Caps match up. But to be honest, if there is a team who could upset Caps in the 1st round, I strongly believe that Flyers could be that team, and I am sure that I am not the only one who thinks that, besides the Flyers fans. But yes, Capitals should quite easily beat the Flyers based on this season.

Can you imagine... team which would include Eichel, Larkin, Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, Faulk etc. ? Holy **** I would watch every ****ing USA game. And even then someone would probably still claim that WHC is not entertaining or meaningless. :laugh:
 
tade said:
Oh, right, why not, of course. My projected line-up is based only on non play-off teams and then I am predicting that Detroit and Colorado are the teams that misses the play-offs, don't want to predict more scenarios... like who will lose in the 1st round or how quickly. We will see that. Is USA known for adding a player or two after the 1st round exits? I can't remember that. Oh, Charlie Coyle last year, I think.

And yes, as a Flyers fan, realistically, I am not getting my hopes up in a possible Flyers - Caps match up. But to be honest, if there is a team who could upset Caps in the 1st round, I strongly believe that Flyers could be that team, and I am sure that I am not the only one who thinks that, besides the Flyers fans. But yes, Capitals should quite easily beat the Flyers based on this season.

Can you imagine... team which would include Eichel, Larkin, Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, Faulk etc. ? Holy **** I would watch every ****ing USA game. And even then someone would probably still claim that WHC is not entertaining or meaningless. :laugh:
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A high octane offense, no doubt. worthy of a gold medal appearance. hopefully my guys come through as well. How do you think they'll do against 2015 Team Canada? it would be an entertaining final...
 
kabidjan18 said:
Rereading, I think I didn't address this question right, but I'll write a new one and not edit because the other one has information I don't want to retype later for other guys. In short, no one. The WC is a great tournament for giving youngsters a first shot at playing international hockey, playing with perhaps their future olympic teammates, some for the first time on big ice. It's great to tribute americans playing in Europe and give NHL/AHL players who will never be at the Olympics a chance to wear the stars and stripes. That's why you see all types there, college kids, AHL guys, and top NHL guys. It's intentionally not best on best, but it doesn't need to be because that's not the function of the tournament. I was just thinking we should be trying to guess who's all gonna be there though because it won't just be NHL players plus Matthews.
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I do understand your point though that the US seems to like guys that have some hype behind them and probably/maybe aren't as good as some guys that are in the NHL and playing pro already, I think your other point alluded to that some.

I just don't know how much of a jump that would be. Like is JML really that much better than the guys they asked? And to be honest, it is very possible that they did as JML last year.

I just don't think that USA Hockey wouldn't take this tournament seriously. These things are a ton of work, and they cost a ton of money, and they're all learning experiences for the institution in regards to how to do World Cups and Olympics, which I know USA hockey values very much. Is there probably some politics and attempts at maybe creating buzz around hyped players than maybe picking something more already proven, I think you have a good argument there.

But I won't back down from the fact that for the North American teams, these are hard rosters to fill. Even Canada has used European league based players in the past.

Edit: Also, I'm really excited for this Team USA. I don't get to watch Matthews to play much, and lots of hype around him. Could be a cool top line with Eichel and Johnny Hockey.
 
kabidjan18 said:
I'm still trying to figure out what you exactly believe. Do you believe that USA hockey sends out around 130 invites to NHL players and anywhere from 116 too 118 of them come back as rejections from unpatriotic hockey players, and then USA hockey sends a couple dozen invitations to AHL players and only maybe 3 or 4 accept, so then they just have to "fill in the roster" with college students, fringe AHL/ECHL prospects and European players?
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You believe that if a player does not except an invitation to play in the WC that they are unpatriotic ?

That fill in roster that you speak of has won 2 Bronze Medals since 2013. And you refuse to consider pending free agency, injuries, the NHL playoffs and family commitments like Bobby Ryan's example.

You are too busy swimming in a pool of accusations to consider anything else.
 
Rabid Ranger said:
I get what you're saying here but Hendricks was actually very good for the U.S. at last year's tournament. He's one of those 4th line types that can play up in a lineup and not be out of place. He's also got strong leadership skills.
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That's why they made Hendricks captain. I remember fans complaining about him even being on the team as if that is all team USA could get.
 
Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Larkin
Gaudreau-Eichel-Wheeler
Saad-Matthews-Palmieri
Abdelkader-Dubinsky-Stafford

Byfuglien-Faulk
Gardiner-Jones
Bogosian-Hanifin

Schneider
Hellebyuck

If detroit is out of play-offs!!
 
Mr Writer said:
A high octane offense, no doubt. worthy of a gold medal appearance. hopefully my guys come through as well. How do you think they'll do against 2015 Team Canada? it would be an entertaining final...
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I think the 2015 WC Gold Medal team would give the 2014 Sochi Canada team a run for the money. Don't call me Shirley, I am neing serious.
 
SanDogBrewin said:
You believe that if a player does not except an invitation to play in the WC that they are unpatriotic ?

That fill in roster that you speak of has won 2 Bronze Medals since 2013. And you refuse to consider pending free agency, injuries, the NHL playoffs and family commitments like Bobby Ryan's example.

You are too busy swimming in a pool of accusations to consider anything else.
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Thanks for trying to stuff words into my mouth, it reflects more poorly on your inability to comprehend figures of speech.

Exactly, they have never needed to field an all star roster to succeed.

I have not accused anyone of anything by the connotative definition of accuse, however, I will accuse you of being completely unable to comprehend numbers. You keep giving single examples of a player turning down an invite, or trying to give limited scenarios, you haven't addressed the ridiculous notion you are insinuating that 120 invites are turned down by NHL players and a few dozen AHL players. Neither have you tried to prove that college students are more capable than professionals which is the other route. You obviously don't have a head for numbers or logic and are incapable of considering anything else but a few individual cases you see reported on HFboards. As such you aren't worth my time, feel free to reply but I won't reply back because I'll be busy having logical and productive discussion with therealdeal.
 
therealdeal said:
I do understand your point though that the US seems to like guys that have some hype behind them and probably/maybe aren't as good as some guys that are in the NHL and playing pro already, I think your other point alluded to that some.

I just don't know how much of a jump that would be. Like is JML really that much better than the guys they asked? And to be honest, it is very possible that they did as JML last year.

I just don't think that USA Hockey wouldn't take this tournament seriously. These things are a ton of work, and they cost a ton of money, and they're all learning experiences for the institution in regards to how to do World Cups and Olympics, which I know USA hockey values very much. Is there probably some politics and attempts at maybe creating buzz around hyped players than maybe picking something more already proven, I think you have a good argument there.

But I won't back down from the fact that for the North American teams, these are hard rosters to fill. Even Canada has used European league based players in the past.

Edit: Also, I'm really excited for this Team USA. I don't get to watch Matthews to play much, and lots of hype around him. Could be a cool top line with Eichel and Johnny Hockey.
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Yeah, I agree that they're hard to fill with all stars or even great players because of the aforementioned reasons. Again it's not just limited to JML, or Ian Cole but if we do the math there are about 185 americans in the NHL. 8/30 teams will be left do mathematically speaking a ballpark estimate of US NHL players available would he 130, and I'm fairly sure they didn't send 130 invites.

Yeah I think as you said they treat it as a learning experience, they always try to mix in at least a few stars to prep the top talents to play with these stars they don't normally get to play with in club play. Not fielding a best on best as possible roster doesn't mean not trying or not caring, just not trying to field a necessarily best on best.

Canada didn't need to fill with Europeans because that would insinuate that they sent out 285 invites and got 265 rejections (and the AHL rejections), it's a choice to play Europeans and let people who wouldn't normally get a chance to represent their country. Usually there's a pool of players who the teams will invite, a pool of maybe 40 players, and if those players refuse then they look to Europe or the AHL. It's not "not caring" to field a young, lower quality team, it's prepping for the future.

I'm excited too, I'm still a little skeptical how good Matthews is and I want to see how he plays in the WC.
 
tade said:
We will see that. Is USA known for adding a player or two after the 1st round exits? I can't remember that. Oh, Charlie Coyle last year, I think.

Can you imagine... team which would include Eichel, Larkin, Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, Faulk etc. ? Holy **** I would watch every ****ing USA game. And even then someone would probably still claim that WHC is not entertaining or meaningless. :laugh:
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It would be sweet if players available did come over. Also good to keep a couple of slots open for players that could come over after the 1st round. Seems like the right teams not making the playoffs are lining up.
 
AmericanDream said:
good-bye to Mr. Ryan's World Cup chances...
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He never really had any and he knows it. Hence why he isnt going, he has shut it down pretty hard. I am not sure if its because he is out of shape or hurt but he has been horrid the last 20 games.
 
bert said:
He never really had any and he knows it. Hence why he isnt going, he has shut it down pretty hard. I am not sure if its because he is out of shape or hurt but he has been horrid the last 20 games.
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Nothing to do with being in shape or injuries.

William H Bonney said:
@HockeyScanner With a baby due in the spring, Bobby Ryan will not be playing in the world championships for Team USA.
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SanDogBrewin said:
I think the 2015 WC Gold Medal team would give the 2014 Sochi Canada team a run for the money. Don't call me Shirley, I am neing serious.
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Ya, well, in a 1 game winner take all type of scenario anything is possible I guess, but in a series? no. Mike Smith v Carey Price? The 2015 WHC team was half-a-dozen A-listers that was very well coached and highly motivated...and quite frankly, that's all you need to look good in that tournament as the competition is not that strong. but it would be entertaining series. If Sid opts to play with the 2015 WHC who does the 2014 team pick to replace him, McDavid?

but it's a little OT and enough of the silly speculation, as fun as it is, 2016 is a whole new set of challenges.
 
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JayKing said:
I wouldn't expect MaxPac to be there. He has 2 very young kids
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you see, this is exactly what we sometimes totally forget. That they are also people, and things like a birth of a new child, or just having the opportunity to spend your time with your family...it's precious. Remember these are players that play 82 games per season..82 hockey games in 7 months, with so little time for other activities...that's 7 months and I don't count the playoffs or pre-season and the "pre-pre-season", working your body, etc..

the reason not to go to this tournament might not even be family, and I would still be ok with that.
 
If the Wings don't make the playoffs we might just get a taste of what the future center core looks like.
Eichel
Matthews
Larkin

Crazy that that could have been our WJC center core this year too
 
Updated roster projection/wish list


Abdelkader-Larkin-Palmieri
Boucher-Galchenyuk-Saad
Gaudreau-Mathews-Milano
Vesey-Compher-Skille
Connor

Dekeyser-Faulk
Hanifin-Jones
Murphy-Trouba
McCabe

Sparks
Hellebuyck
Demko
 
Gaudreau - eichel - larkin
pacioretty - galchenyuk - saad
abdelkader - matthews - atkinson
hendricks - glendening - palmieri
 
Xokkeu said:
Updated roster projection/wish list


Abdelkader-Larkin-Palmieri
Boucher-Galchenyuk-Saad
Gaudreau-Mathews-Milano
Vesey-Compher-Skille
Connor

Dekeyser-Faulk
Hanifin-Jones
Murphy-Trouba
McCabe

Sparks
Hellebuyck
Demko
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I don't see Jack in there anywhere. Has he informed USAH that he's not available this year?...played last year, done his part for the cause - call me in a decade sort of routine.

Schneider/Hellebuyck would be a good tandem. That would make USA a legitimate contender and a step closer to my dream final of Canada v USA.
 
Mr Writer said:
I don't see Jack in there anywhere. Has he informed USAH that he's not available this year?...played last year, done his part for the cause - call me in a decade sort of routine.

Schneider/Hellebuyck would be a good tandem. That would make USA a legitimate contender and a step closer to my dream final of Canada v USA.
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No I'm just an idiot :(
 
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