WC: 2016 Team USA

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beyond shocked Motte is getting "let go" to play. Rockford will be in the playoffs, and if they make it past round 1, why on Earth would Bowman not want this young man learning the pro game during a playoff series with his future teammates?

I love the CCM line, but this just seems so damn odd.
 
USA Hockey officially confirms roster I have listed above. They have room for 7 more forwards. I think Vesey will take a spot, so that leaves 6 spots open. Hoping for some guys who are trying to make the WCOH roster or on young guns. Hoping Okposo, JT Miller, Brock Nelson, Palmieri, Larkin fill out 5 of the final 6 spots. Seth Jones, Torey Krug and Shayne Gostisbehere fill out defensemen. That would make for a pretty solid team despite weakness in net.

I think Palmieri, Jones and Krug would be named now if they participate. Also i think Atkinson is out now. Vesey is also free agent now so maybe he is out of this tournament. I guess he would have been on this list.
 
I think Palmieri, Jones and Krug would be named now if they participate. Also i think Atkinson is out now. Vesey is also free agent now so maybe he is out of this tournament. I guess he would have been on this list.

Atkinson is out, Vesey felt like a lock before but who knows with his free agency but you're probably right about the other 3. I took them off the list of hopefuls. Still should have some decent forwards after first round. Contract issues hurt the blue line more than anything.
 
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Nobody on the 2012 Olympic team in London turned down an invite when healthy. At the time, the US didn't have great depth at PF/C and their best center available had back surgery. Nobody turned them down aside from that. The US likes to have a young guy fill out spot #12 on the roster as well to get them experience for tournaments down the road. US basketball players take playing for their country extremely seriously in the Olympics. Their WC team was sort of a B team but the best player in the world still played for them and they really only missed two top 8 ish players at the time. That tournament is picking in prestige and more players are playing in it now. The young guys will play for Team USA any chance they get. WBC is definitely a fair point but next year's team will feature likely the 2 best players in the world, so that's improving.

Curry was not the best player in the world during the World Cup. Hence why Kyrie Irving played more than him.

Obviously US participation in the Olympics is much more enticing than the worlds. But players won't play through injuries for it like they would the playoffs or even regular nba season.


Don't get me wrong id love to see Arrieta, Haper, Trout, Kershaw on the wbc team.

I'm just saying compared to other countries Americans are actually more on the uninterested side.
 
Atkinson is out, I think but Palmieri, Jones, Krug are interested in participating, they just want to work out new contracts first

I have feeling that those negotiations take more time but maybe i am wrong. I think Charlie Coyle is good guess who join this team after first playoff round.
 
Curry was not the best player in the world during the World Cup. Hence why Kyrie Irving played more than him.

Obviously US participation in the Olympics is much more enticing than the worlds. But players won't play through injuries for it like they would the playoffs or even regular nba season.


Don't get me wrong id love to see Arrieta, Haper, Trout, Kershaw on the wbc team.

I'm just saying compared to other countries Americans are actually more on the uninterested side.

Biggest reason Curry played less was Kyrie's college coach was the head coach. Everyone knew at the time Curry was a much better player. But yeah, American athletes in general, care more about Olympics than World Championships. USA hockey is a perfect example. With FIBA's new World Cup qualifying format, it will be interesting to see which NBA players compete when the NBA Finals are going on. Will be much like the IIHF Worlds
 
I have feeling that those negotiations take more time but maybe i am wrong. I think Charlie Coyle is good guess who join this team after first playoff round.

Charlie Coyle would be fine, he had his best season, wouldn't mind that. Tyler Johnson is another one who might accept if Tampa loses to Detroit(Would mean no Larkin though). They should be able to find some good players to accept an invite, but it's a shame so many have declined cause of contract issues. Could have been a really good team
 
Biggest reason Curry played less was Kyrie's college coach was the head coach. Everyone knew at the time Curry was a much better player. But yeah, American athletes in general, care more about Olympics than World Championships. USA hockey is a perfect example. With FIBA's new World Cup qualifying format, it will be interesting to see which NBA players compete when the NBA Finals are going on. Will be much like the IIHF Worlds

I think it'll continue to be a second rate tournament for young guys similar to iihf worlds. Difference of course is US can send out players 13-25 and still win every game by 20.
 
Charlie Coyle would be fine, he had his best season, wouldn't mind that. Tyler Johnson is another one who might accept if Tampa loses to Detroit(Would mean no Larkin though). They should be able to find some good players to accept an invite, but it's a shame so many have declined cause of contract issues. Could have been a really good team

Coyle came last year - not sure he will again this year. him and Krug would be 2 great adds that played last year.
 
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Coyle came last year - not sure he will again this year. him and Krug would be 2 great adds that played last year.

Krug needs a new contract but he hasn't even been contacted yet which is strange. He apparently sounded like he'd be open to going but that's 2 guys who haven't even contacted by USA Hockey who were on their blue line last year
 
Kinkaid and Condon finished 63rd and 64th in sv% among all goalies in the NHL this season, so you could say it is a weak spot

Only position I don't like so far. No Demko invite ?

Kreider on the top line and JT Miller on the 3rd Line if NY gets ousted. Kevin Hayes could go on the 4th line. McDonaugh dealing with a concussion and Yandle needs a new contract.

Craig Smith won Bronze a few years ago at the Worlds if Nashville gets knocked out. Tyler Johnson and Ryan Callahan could be other nice adds. Tampa looking like they might get upset without Stamkos and Stralman out.
 
Only position I don't like so far. No Demko invite ?

Kreider on the top line and JT Miller on the 3rd Line if NY gets ousted. Kevin Hayes could go on the 4th line. McDonaugh dealing with a concussion and Yandle needs a new contract.

Craig Smith won Bronze a few years ago at the Worlds if Nashville gets knocked out. Tyler Johnson and Ryan Callahan could be other nice adds. Tampa looking like they might get upset without Stamkos and Stralman out.

McD has a broken hand not a concussion. That said I highly doubt he goes if NY gets eliminated in the first round.
 
Remember only 13 players have been named so far. If they managed to add 5-6 good players from the playoffs, it would change the picture a lot. And there definitely is a possibilty of adding players like Gostisbehere, Shattenkirk, Coyle, Okposo, or one of T.Johnson/Larkin, so...not saying they will, but if they do, then the US would suddenly be actually a very solid team. I also believe Gaudreau hasn't decided yet.
 
I've been posting this here for years saying the USA hockey needs to grow a pair and not let players who decline to play in the WC play in the Olympics or World Cup. But every year I get shouted down by bleeding hearts. It's good to see that there are a few people with some common sense. These prima donna babies get paid handsomely and get plenty of time in the summer for "family time". Do I need to remind everyone of the summer Kane passed on the WC because he was "injured", yet he spent his time passed out on bar tables? To me, I don't care if he won the Art Ross and wins the Hart, he would NEVER play for the US if I was in charge. The only way this changes is to give USA hockey the enema that it so desperately needs.

USAH fans don't shout you down because they're "bleeding hearts", they shout you down because your idea won't help.

Your anecdote about Kane doesn't matter. First, it's anecdotal. Second, plenty of players pass on the tournament for valid reasons, such as injuries, lack of a contract, or family time. Third, just because one isn't healthy enough to compete in a hockey tournament doesn't mean they're not able to go out to bars. That may not be how I'd prefer Kane spend his time, but it doesn't invalidate his reason for not participating that year.

Granted, that doesn't mean all of the players who continually turn down this squad are doing so for "valid" reasons. Plenty of them do so out of apathy. Why? The World Championships has never been popular in the US, and barring a change in timing, it will never be popular. It's a second tier tournament (and that's being nice) in terms of quality. The media coverage here is passing at best. It only recently became easier to watch, and that's usually at non-ideal times. It's competing against the NHL playoffs, NBA playoffs, and MLB season for the attention of sports fans. It's a niche tournament in a niche sport in a country where the majority of the hockey fans' loyalty doesn't extend beyond their NHL team. These players grew up in an environment where no one cared about this tournament just like the majority of American hockey fans.

Unless you expect no one to ever turn down the WCs (which is a pipe dream), your idea would only hurt hockey in America. Leaving players like Kane or Pacioretty or Schneider or Faulk or Wheeler off the Olympic/World Cup teams would only increase the odds that USAH does very poorly in the only two tournaments where the average sports fan will tune in. That's not good for the growth of the game, especially when you're doing so in an attempt for better results at a tournament no one in the US watches or cares about. Winning gold at the WCs would be awesome for the team and us fans that do care, but its impact on USAH would likely be small. Winning the World Cup or an Olympic Medal actually has impact. The risk of dropping your best players for a high risk, low reward outcome isn't worth it.

I'm all on-board for utilizing a player's WC participation and performance when deciding the roster for best-on-best tournaments. But that doesn't mean leaving off your best players. We don't have that luxury like Canada. WC participation should be one factor to be considered among many factors. Hypothetically, if USAH felt Justin Faulk (has almost always participated) and Keith Yandle (never participates) were pretty much equal, I'm all for them choosing Faulk due to his dedication. But it's crazy to suggest that, for example, Craig Smith should be on the Olympic Team over Kane solely due to participation.

The solution is frustrating because it's not a quick fix, but USAH needs to do a lot better churning out high-end NHL talent. European countries and players love this tournament as they grew up with it, so apathy isn't their issue, sometimes it's just the depth of their talent. Canada is the second most apathetic towards this tournament, but they have a lot more talent to tap for their roster. That's the solution to apathy. If you're deciding between many high-end players, it's feasible to use WC participation as a deciding factor. Those high-end guys really want to be on the Olympic team, so they participate in the WCs because it's their chance to audition and potentially differentiate themselves from another high-end player. It's partly why Hockey Canada can afford to leave a Giroux, Couture, or Thornton off their best teams because they're being replaced by other high-end talent like Sharp, Duchene, or Carter.

USAH doesn't have that luxury, and it's why your idea won't work.
 
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Remember only 13 players have been named so far. If they managed to add 5-6 good players from the playoffs, it would change the picture a lot. And there definitely is a possibilty of adding players like Gostisbehere, Shattenkirk, Coyle, Okposo, or one of T.Johnson/Larkin, so...not saying they will, but if they do, then the US would suddenly be actually a very solid team. I also believe Gaudreau hasn't decided yet.

I think Larkin/ Tyler Johnson, Gostisbehere, JT Miller, Brock Nelson, Nick Leddy would accept invites. They show up and the top lines would look much better. Gaudreau coming and playing on a line with Matthews would be incredible to watch but I'd be shocked if Johnny came. Even without him, those additions I mentioned would make for a solid team and drop the CCM line and the current NHL guys on the roster into roles more suited for them
 
I think Larkin/ Tyler Johnson, Gostisbehere, JT Miller, Brock Nelson, Nick Leddy would accept invites. They show up and the top lines would look much better. Gaudreau coming and playing on a line with Matthews would be incredible to watch but I'd be shocked if Johnny came. Even without him, those additions I mentioned would make for a solid team and drop the CCM line and the current NHL guys on the roster into roles more suited for them

I could see Larkin declining. He's already on the World Cup team, and he tailed off to end the season, which if that was from fatigue, means he's even likelier to want a break.

Miller's on the World Cup team already, and he's an RFA. I would imagine he'd say no.

With Johnson's recent injury, who knows if he'd be willing or able to play. If he were fine, I'd think he'd show up to try and grab a World Cup spot.

The others would be realistic targets.
 
USAH fans don't shout you down because they're "bleeding hearts", they shout you down because your idea won't help.

Your anecdote about Kane doesn't matter. First, it's anecdotal. Second, plenty of players pass on the tournament for valid reasons, such as injuries, lack of a contract, or family time. Third, just because one isn't healthy enough to compete in a hockey tournament doesn't mean they're not able to go out to bars. That may not be how I'd prefer Kane spend his time, but it doesn't invalidate his reason for not participating that year.

Granted, that doesn't mean all of the players who continually turn down this squad are doing so for "valid" reasons. Plenty of them do so out of apathy. Why? The World Championships has never been popular in the US, and barring a change in timing, it will never be popular. It's a second tier tournament (and that's being nice) in terms of quality. The media coverage here is passing at best. It only recently became easier to watch, and that's usually at non-ideal times. It's competing against the NHL playoffs, NBA playoffs, and MLB season for the attention of sports fans. It's a niche tournament in a niche sport in a country where the majority of the hockey fans' loyalty doesn't extend beyond their NHL team. These players grew up in an environment where no one cared about this tournament just like the majority of American hockey fans.

Unless you expect no one to ever turn down the WCs (which is a pipe dream), your idea would only hurt hockey in America. Leaving players like Kane or Pacioretty or Schneider or Faulk or Wheeler off the Olympic/World Cup teams would only increase the odds that USAH does very poorly in the only two tournaments where the average sports fan will tune in. That's not good for the growth of the game, especially when you're doing so in an attempt for better results at a tournament no one in the US watches or cares about. Winning gold at the WCs would be awesome for the team and us fans that do care, but its impact on USAH would likely be small. Winning the World Cup or an Olympic Medal actually has impact. The risk of dropping your best players for a high risk, low reward outcome isn't worth it.

I'm all on-board for utilizing a player's WC participation and performance when deciding the roster for best-on-best tournaments. But that doesn't mean leaving off your best players. We don't have that luxury like Canada. WC participation should be one factor to be considered among many factors. Hypothetically, if USAH felt Justin Faulk (has almost always participated) and Keith Yandle (never participates) were pretty much equal, I'm all for them choosing Faulk due to his dedication. But it's crazy to suggest that, for example, Craig Smith should be on the Olympic Team over Kane solely due to participation.

The solution is frustrating because it's not a quick fix, but USAH needs to do a lot better churning out high-end NHL talent. European countries and players love this tournament as they grew up with it, so apathy isn't their issue, sometimes it's just the depth of their talent. Canada is the second most apathetic towards this tournament, but they have a lot more talent to tap for their roster. That's the solution to apathy. If you're deciding between many high-end players, it's feasible to use WC participation as a deciding factor. Those high-end guys really want to be on the Olympic team, so they participate in the WCs because it's their chance to audition and potentially differentiate themselves from another high-end player. It's partly why Hockey Canada can afford to leave a Giroux, Couture, or Thornton off their best teams because they're being replaced by other high-end talent like Sharp, Duchene, or Carter.

USAH doesn't have that luxury, and it's why your idea won't work.
We that dont know about USA just see it like arrogance
 
I'm all on-board for utilizing a player's WC participation and performance when deciding the roster for best-on-best tournaments. But that doesn't mean leaving off your best players. We don't have that luxury like Canada. WC participation should be one factor to be considered among many factors. Hypothetically, if USAH felt Justin Faulk (has almost always participated) and Keith Yandle (never participates) were pretty much equal, I'm all for them choosing Faulk due to his dedication. But it's crazy to suggest that, for example, Craig Smith should be on the Olympic Team over Kane solely due to participation.

I personally feel the same way. And even for Team Canada, where the amount of talent is great, I wouldn't leave Giordano, or TJ Brodie, who declined an invitation from unknown reasons really, out of the roster just because they didn't say yes to particpate at the super-important world championships. Sarcasm. Yes, I would personally love to see those players on the board, but this is not the World Cup/the Olympics. We know it, they know it.
 

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