OT: 2016 Red Sox/MLB Regular Season V - "And down the stretch they come!"

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Johnnyduke

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Holy smokes let's pump the brakes on moncada for now. Kid needs more seasoning in the minors. Can't have someone striking out 6 straight times. Even shaw is better than that.
 

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Holy smokes let's pump the brakes on moncada for now. Kid needs more seasoning in the minors. Can't have someone striking out 6 straight times. Even shaw is better than that.

He'll get a game or two to clear his head and he'll be back in there. He was always going to strike out a ton if brought up this year- he's striking out a decent amount in AA. He is just too dynamic of a player to have sit there down the stretch...if the struggles do persist they'll have no problem going back to Shaw though


Good win. Chris Young being hot down the stretch would be nice. Clay looks great.
 

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What a dumb time to pull Clay.

You have to consider Buchholz's usage. He threw 87 pitches last night. It was his first start since Aug. 23, when he was relegated to the pen. In his bullpen outings since then, he has thrown a total of 56 pitches — 17 on Aug. 27; 29 on Aug. 29 & 10 on Aug. 30. He has to build up his arm strength. Who replaces Buchholz if he gets hurt because of a fatigue-related injury? Joe Kelly? He'll need to be stretched out. Henry Owens? He of the 8 earned runs against Detroit on Aug. 21? It wasn't a dumb move. It was a prudent move.
 

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You have to consider Buchholz's usage. He threw 87 pitches last night. It was his first start since Aug. 23, when he was relegated to the pen. In his bullpen outings since then, he has thrown a total of 56 pitches — 17 on Aug. 27; 29 on Aug. 29 & 10 on Aug. 30. He has to build up his arm strength. Who replaces Buchholz if he gets hurt because of a fatigue-related injury? Joe Kelly? He'll need to be stretched out. Henry Owens? He of the 8 earned runs against Detroit on Aug. 21? It wasn't a dumb move. It was a prudent move.

It was one more batter, it's not that dramatic. Another 3-5 pitches doesn't really do anything, especially since he was throwing really well (having k'd the prior 2 guys looking great in the process)

It worked out but I don't like the idea of bringing in a mediocre reliever and dropping him in the middle of an iffy situation when the starter has made the last two guys look stupid

I can see the logic behind not wanting to let their best hitter get a 4th time to look at Buchholz...not sure I see it or can get behind it when the alternatives are pitching like **** though
 
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One more batter wasn't going to hurt him. He K'd the previous two guys easily, and the two hits that inning were just routine grounders that made it through the infield. Nothing was hit hard. He was cruising.
 

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One more batter wasn't going to hurt him. He K'd the previous two guys easily, and the two hits that inning were just routine grounders that made it through the infield. Nothing was hit hard. He was cruising.

What I don't understand is the rationale behind calling the decision dumb, particularly when we're talking about one more batter. Farrell makes his fair share of mistakes, but this is criticism for the sake of criticism. Routine grounders lead to longer innings. Longer innings lead to higher pitch counts. Higher pitch counts lead to fatigue. Fatigue leads to injuries. Buchholz's pitch limit most likely was 90 (although, it could have been 80 for all we know). Could he have gotten the last batter out with 3 to 5 pitches? Maybe. That 90th pitch, though, very well could have been the one that fatigue resulted in a breaking ball being left out over the plate and deposited in the seats. Sure, a mediocre pitcher was brought in to replace him, but it's not like this is a potent offense. The Padres are the worst offense in MLB. You're honestly telling me that leaving Buchholz in was the smartest decision Farrell could have made in that situation? The result demonstrates just the opposite.
 

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What I don't understand is the rationale behind calling the decision dumb, particularly when we're talking about one more batter. Farrell makes his fair share of mistakes, but this is criticism for the sake of criticism. Routine grounders lead to longer innings. Longer innings lead to higher pitch counts. Higher pitch counts lead to fatigue. Fatigue leads to injuries. Buchholz's pitch limit most likely was 90 (although, it could have been 80 for all we know). Could he have gotten the last batter out with 3 to 5 pitches? Maybe. That 90th pitch, though, very well could have been the one that fatigue resulted in a breaking ball being left out over the plate and deposited in the seats. Sure, a mediocre pitcher was brought in to replace him, but it's not like this is a potent offense. The Padres are the worst offense in MLB. You're honestly telling me that leaving Buchholz in was the smartest decision Farrell could have made in that situation? The result demonstrates just the opposite.

everybody in the bullpen has been unreliable of late, and you are placing one of the more unreliable guys in Barnes in a tough spot when Buchholz was cruising and probably could have gotten Myers himself. It worked out but I think it is fair to question the logic there. If this was a manager who knew how to sequence a bullpen before last night then he would get the benefit of the doubt but we all know that's not really the case
 

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everybody in the bullpen has been unreliable of late, and you are placing one of the more unreliable guys in Barnes in a tough spot when Buchholz was cruising and probably could have gotten Myers himself. It worked out but I think it is fair to question the logic there. If this was a manager who knew how to sequence a bullpen before last night then he would get the benefit of the doubt but we all know that's not really the case

I don't have a problem with your rationale, CDJ. It's valid to question it. I have a problem with Farrell's decision being dismissed out of hand as dumb. His decision has just as much merit as the disagreement.

Yes.


That's specious reasoning.

Perhaps you should review your reasoning of "that's dumb", "he was cruising" and "routine grounders" before rendering a position that offered actual fact regarding pitch count numbers and the quality of the Padres' offense as specious.
 

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Pleasantly surprised that NESN showed the David Ortiz tribute in San Diego when you consider who was the emcee - Don Orsillo
 

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Holy ****, only division games left after today. With the yankees making noise and tampa all of a sudden beating everyone, now this is a pennant race.
 

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Ya, i'm not so sure how much more of moncada we will see this year. Maybe here and there but not every day like benintendi.

Agreed. Adjustments to the breaking ball are going to take awhile. He won't be able to just flip a switch. It's definitely in Moncada's head. He's so messed up over it that he can't hit the fastball now. Once he identifies the difference, he has to lay off. Once he lays off, he'll have to figure out how to hit it. Not such an easy puzzle to solve in a kid who's not as advanced as Benintendi is.
 

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I already think the Nationals will be frauds come the post season and this just makes it worse. The Nats are 41-18 against their division, 40-39 against the rest of the league.
 
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