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2016 LA Kings Offseason GDT V: Free Agent Frenzy

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I have been saying that the Kings will target Chara well before the off season started. It just seems like such a Lombardi move.

I am not in favor of trading for him if its at full price or if it will cost us a draft pick, prospect or McNabb. I am fine with trading Fobert since Sutter was not very happy with his play when he was called up last year and Gravel has more upside. However, it will require Boston retaining on Chara. Not sure if Fobert for Chara with money retained would get it done from Boston's prospective though.
 
Chara to the Kings at this point makes sense from the perspective of veteran leader, still good 2nd pairing guy that can play 1st pairing, and that DL was in on him before. But it doesn't make sense from the standpoint of what they've said earlier this summer re: youth, and now that DL has been burned a few times as well.

BUT as other have said, with the expansion draft looming...it may also make sense.

Dunno, that's a toughie. I would not be happy losing McNabb or Gravel (or even Forbort to a degree), but the expansion draft makes that a sucky situation--they play really well and we risk losing them for nothing, or they play like crap and we flounder anyway. It's sort of lose-lose. Tough year.
 
Wouldn't give up McNabb for Chara anyway, that's bad asset management. Players like McNabb are exactly what you need to survive these cap crunch.

Young, cost controlled players.

If the asking price was a Prospect that the Kings are not sure about (Forbort/Gravel or similar) Then ok that's a workable deal.

You shouldn't be giving up a legit (young) NHL defender, for a 39 year old Chara.
 
It's gonna be an interesting year to say the least. I think I'm at my most neutral in a long time when it comes to expectations.
 
kingsholygrail said:
It's gonna be an interesting year to say the least. I think I'm at my most neutral in a long time when it comes to expectations.
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Canucks the last 2 years: 6 playoff games, 2 playoff wins
Kings the last 2 years: 5 playoff games, 1 playoff win

I think it's fair for fans, and Lombardi, to take a wait and see approach for the time being. If they still have it at this point, the Kings are hanging onto the benefit of the doubt by a smaller thread. The 16 Sharks were better than the 15 Flames, but the Kings couldn't beat that Flames team either.
 
damacles1156 said:
Wouldn't give up McNabb for Chara anyway, that's bad asset management. Players like McNabb are exactly what you need to survive these cap crunch.

Young, cost controlled players.

If the asking price was a Prospect that the Kings are not sure about (Forbort/Gravel or similar) Then ok that's a workable deal.

You shouldn't be giving up a legit (young) NHL defender, for a 39 year old Chara.
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where's that Robert Redford nod .gif when you need it!
 
i know i purposely cherry picked to omit the end of that sentence

but still...McNabb and NEED in the same sentence deserves a Robert Redford .gif
 
We actually had a pretty deep lineup last year but our team is to slow and has to many grinders on the team. Even our draft picks of Schmalz and others has been very stupid because they kept going with the same identity instead of tweaking and adapting and improving . Speed and skill is more evident now . Sitter was out coached tremendously . Lucic should have been with Carter and Toffoli and Pearson with Kopitar and Gaborik. King is slow he should have been dropped to the 4th line to help bring some defense on the 4th line so they weren't out performed . Clifford should have been on the 3rd line even though he has no skill but he does bring energy which was needed . Heck we got Versteeg who has more skill than half our team and he was sheltered on the 4th line. If Sutter doesn't adapt and change the system at least a little then we will not win until he is fired .

Pearson-Kopitar-Gaborik
Lucic-Carter-Toffoli
Clifford-VL-Versteeg
King-Lewis-Brown

This should have been our forward lines vs San Jose some speed and skill on all 4 lines and defensively responsible players . Our defense was also full of slow **** tards who shouldn't be in the NHL. I'm not sure why Gravel wasn't played more like others who have been showing success lately are doing . They need to change their philosophy of having players go to the AHL and prove they can come play here . Give them the shot like with Prokhorkin he wasn't guaranteed a spot so he didn't come over . The kid would be top 3 in skill on this team .

Watch half of you mention how players need to pay their dues blah blah blah. Keep drinking Dean koolaid, eventually you guys will lose hope . I'm not saying he doesn't Know how to build a winner . He did twice , but the game changed however our management didn't adapt. I own 6 businesses some very successful some still improving but once u get to the top you have to learn how to stay on top . It's a different monster . You have to keep up with your competition and keep adapting and changing . Maybe the old philosophy worked back then but others are improving and changing things so you need to analyze and incorporate it into your business to continue to stay on top.

I've had to change the way I do things multiple times to stay on top. My first 3 years in my first business I was unmatched and doing very well until my numbers started going down . I kept going over it with my partners what are we doing wrong , we saw how our competition brought new things to the field that we didn't have and we took it into consideration and even thought of how to be better in their own game and their philosophy and sure enough I didn't only get my old numbers going again but I actually hit about 30% on top of that too .
 
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Kingsfan1 said:
Vermette would be a great fit for our 3C position and I really hope Dean tries and is able to sign him
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There has to be a few teams looking for a 3C like Vermette right now. It would certainly address a big question mark at 3C the Kings have right now.
 
damacles1156 said:
Wouldn't give up McNabb for Chara anyway, that's bad asset management. Players like McNabb are exactly what you need to survive these cap crunch.

Young, cost controlled players.

If the asking price was a Prospect that the Kings are not sure about (Forbort/Gravel or similar) Then ok that's a workable deal.

You shouldn't be giving up a legit (young) NHL defender, for a 39 year old Chara.
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Exactly. All this does is make the team older, have less cap space and thin out the already thin prospect pool.
 
damacles1156 said:
I thought you wanted speed/skill ?

Vermette is pretty slow.
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AND burning out.

Come on, I'm watching some of the same people talking about how plodding and not-with-the-times our big lugs on the team are and those folks want Vermette?

Think Jarret Stoll declining. That's Vermette.

That being said, if he were dirt cheap, I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't mind him as a 4C with the chance to work up to 3C, like Gilbert has the opportunity.
 
damacles1156 said:
I thought you wanted speed/skill ?

Vermette is pretty slow.
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Raccoon Jesus said:
AND burning out.

Come on, I'm watching some of the same people talking about how plodding and not-with-the-times our big lugs on the team are and those folks want Vermette?

Think Jarret Stoll declining. That's Vermette.

That being said, if he were dirt cheap, I wouldn't complain. I wouldn't mind him as a 4C with the chance to work up to 3C, like Gilbert has the opportunity.
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Did not know that . If thats the case then id rather try Shore again at 3C and see if his offense finally translates or not .
 
Kingsfan1 said:
Did not know that . If thats the case then id rather try Shore again at 3C and see if his offense finally translates or not .
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That's actually a great way of looking at it.

Vermette might provide more 'vet' presence in that role, but Shore has already been massive defensively, and just needs to improve his faceoffs to be more like Vermette in that regard. But Shore is an NHLer, make no mistake, he's gonna be a great Vermette-type imo, he's already got the defensive side of the puck and his IQ down pat.
 
I am all for speed and skill as well, but speed does not necessary mean you need fast skating forwards. Speed comes from quick transition or movement of the puck by defensemen. As Dean mentioned in one of his press conferences, the Kings have "speed and skill" as demonstrated by our successful record in 3 on 3 OT. What we lacked in the playoffs and got very exposed was getting trapped in the defensive zone.

Even though we downgraded this year by replacing Lucic was Teddy Purcell, this Kings team can be successful if, as a team, they really work on the transition game. I am not sure if any of the defensemen we either signed or our rookies can do that, but if we improve in that area by 30% we have the core to go far in the playoffs. If our transition game is the same as last year, we wont be competitive, but may squeeze in.
 
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