2016 Draft Thread III (June 24-25, 7PM)

[KJ Dangler]

Basically, I'm just hoping it doesn't play out like this:

Columbus is on the clock.

Gary Bettman: "We have a trade to announce."

Columbus trades the 3rd overall pick and Scott Hartnell to XYZ for the 6th/7th/8th pick in the draft and the 36th/37th/38th pick in the draft.

Ville Siren: Columbus selects Logan Brown.

Jarmo and John Davidson: "Logan Brown is the guy we had targeted all along..."

I can't speak for others, but that situation is an impossible sell to me. Pick up a guy who can be our #1 center next season. Pick up multiple first round picks. Hell, have them throw in a stronger T-Shirt cannon. Just don't let that specific outcome be the narrative.

I hear you , I'm camp Jesse , and personally think the front or is as well . But let's consider , not Hartnell, but let's say we can dump foligno contract , move from 3 to 6, grab Logan Brown, pick up an early second . Wouldn't we be in much better shape if they feel Jesse, and Brown, are neck and neck ?

Also , you have to consider that we may have 3 to 4 rookies in the lineup next season, so while Jesse able to play in Nhl next year may be alluring for some, they may be considering that as well .

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

I hear you , I'm camp Jesse , and personally think the front or is as well . But let's consider , not Hartnell, but let's say we can dump foligno contract , move from 3 to 6, grab Logan Brown, pick up an early second . Wouldn't we be in much better shape if they feel Jesse, and Brown, are neck and neck ?

The obvious counter to this is that "I don't agree with anyone who thins those two are neck and neck."

Also , you have to consider that we may have 3 to 4 rookies in the lineup next season, so while Jesse able to play in Nhl next year may be alluring for some, they may be considering that as well .

That's an interesting thought.

 

[Crede777]

I hear you , I'm camp Jesse , and personally think the front or is as well . But let's consider , not Hartnell, but let's say we can dump foligno contract , move from 3 to 6, grab Logan Brown, pick up an early second . Wouldn't we be in much better shape if they feel Jesse, and Brown, are neck and neck ?

Also , you have to consider that we may have 3 to 4 rookies in the lineup next season, so while Jesse able to play in Nhl next year may be alluring for some, they may be considering that as well .

I'm worried about the optics of it.

Jarmo is the reason why we have these big contracts. He's also the reason why we're lacking a #1 C.

I don't feel like he should move the 3 OA pick to address needs he, himself, created. He's basically using the 3 OA as a get out of jail free card.

I'd prefer him to draft Puljujarvi, re-sign Jones, and say "oh no, we have had a solid plan all along with what to do with the cap and how to address our need at center." For center, he could say Jenner/Wennberg are projecting nicely or that they plan to make another move in the future.

At least pretend like he had a plan when he re-signed Foligno, Dubinsky, Bob, acquired Hartnell and Clarkson, and traded Johansen for Jones. Otherwise, he's being way too reactionary for my tastes.

 

[CBJSlash]

Edmonton is a wildcard. If they trade that pick, who is that team targeting?

I can see us getting spooked about Brown not being there if we even trade to 5. Wouldn't be surprised if we took him at #3.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Basically, I'm just hoping it doesn't play out like this:

Columbus is on the clock.

Gary Bettman: "We have a trade to announce."

Columbus trades the 3rd overall pick and Scott Hartnell to XYZ for the 6th/7th/8th pick in the draft and the 36th/37th/38th pick in the draft.

Ville Siren: Columbus selects Logan Brown.

Jarmo and John Davidson: "Logan Brown is the guy we had targeted all along..."

I can't speak for others, but that situation is an impossible sell to me. Pick up a guy who can be our #1 center next season. Pick up multiple first round picks. Hell, have them throw in a stronger T-Shirt cannon. Just don't let that specific outcome be the narrative.

I see both sides.

If we could trade Hartnell for a top 2nd round pick without taking on any salary I would do it.
But I'm not sold on Brown. Not sure what he will be and not sure how long it will take him to get there.

The optics in my mind would be if you do that trade - you know we're going to be very bad next season. Taking out 2 likely top 6 forwards (Hartnell and #3oa) and replacing them with 2 prospects who will not be in Columbus next season. That will be a tough sell, especially with the 4th line still clogged with wasted players.

 

[blahblah]

The days leading up to the draft tend to be a stressful time to read. I have a recommendation on this continual obsession over a center.

If a good center is available and he's either your BPA or extremely close, pick him up. Don't base your entire strategy around it and don't reach. I'm sure Brown is going to be a fine player, but I don't think we have to go out of our way to make that happen. You probably won't get the value you want.

 

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Logan Brown is the same exact situation as Ryan Johansen was . His last 3 months, he improved more than he did the prior 3 years . Keep in mind someone that is 6-6 220 just turned 18, that his coordination is probably still coming around.

You hit the nail on the head.

Brown is an exceptional prospect. In many sports guys with his size take time to be truly comfortable in their bodies. Hence what Brown has done so far and so early in the process on skates is nothing to spit at.

With Puljujärvi you add to Blue Jackets already wide top-9 winger list someone with second line upside. Not the next Kurri or Selänne or not anything even that special when it has all been said and done. A project winger with heavy need to work on his all-around game to fulfill his pre-draft hype.

 

[Dr. Fire]

Well, it's almost noon, and it's time to just see what happens tonight. I will be at the Clippers game watching my phone, while watching some baseball.

We shall see.

On a side note.

These pop-up advertisements on HF Boards are now making it almost unbearable to come here any longer. I get it, but damn, I can't take it much longer.

 

[Crede777]

These pop-up advertisements on HF Boards are now making it almost unbearable to come here any longer. I get it, but damn, I can't take it much longer.

It's like a game. I try to click on what subforum I want to go to but it jumps down about 4 inches right before I do.

 

[futurcorerock]

Well, it's almost noon, and it's time to just see what happens tonight. I will be at the Clippers game watching my phone, while watching some baseball.

We shall see.

On a side note.

These pop-up advertisements on HF Boards are now making it almost unbearable to come here any longer. I get it, but damn, I can't take it much longer.

Ad blockers: don't leave home without one.

 

[EDM]

I agree on the pop up ads. This site is really driving me crazy, especially on my tiny phone screen.

As for the draft, I am bitterly disappointed by the word that Jarmo is going to trade the pick. Finally, we win the lottery so that we get a top pick at one of the "can't miss' picks and we are going to trade it away to put us back around 8-10 where we usually pick to get a good but not great player. I am not even going to watch it or attend the draft party. More and more I think it was a mistake to renew.

 

[blahblah]

I agree on the pop up ads. This site is really driving me crazy, especially on my tiny phone screen.

We shouldn't derail this thread anymore, however I complained a couple of years back about the mouse off pop-ups.

HF did nothing about it. They need add revenue, but adds don't have to be annoying. I highly recommend that you don't actively post suggesting add-blockers - that is affecting a revenue source.

I'm more interested to see what we do with our roster players leading up to the draft than what we do with the #3OA.

 

[EDM]

I know what I do not want: I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SINGLE DIGITS GOALS PER YEAR CENTER LIKE WENNBERG. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER CENTER WHO WILL TAKE 3-4 YEARS TO DEVELOP LIKE WENNBERG. I GUESS I DO NOT WANT "WENNBERG- THE SEQUEL".

 

[Crede777]

I know what I do not want: I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SINGLE DIGITS GOALS PER YEAR CENTER LIKE WENNBERG. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER CENTER WHO WILL TAKE 3-4 YEARS TO DEVELOP LIKE WENNBERG. I GUESS I DO NOT WANT "WENNBERG- THE SEQUEL".

Wennberg is fine.

On a related note, though, I think Brown's draft card is this:
1. Is 6'6"
2. Plays center

 

[blahblah]

I know what I do not want: I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SINGLE DIGITS GOALS PER YEAR CENTER LIKE WENNBERG. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER CENTER WHO WILL TAKE 3-4 YEARS TO DEVELOP LIKE WENNBERG. I GUESS I DO NOT WANT "WENNBERG- THE SEQUEL".

Normally I hate all cap posts, but I had to laugh at this one. Pretty good rant.

Having said that, once you get outside of the top two that is probably what you are looking at. Even McDavid needs time to develop, its just he can produce while he's maturing.

I don't mind under 20 goal centers as long as they are great puck movers and play makers. At some point they need to become more selfish and they are working on that with Wennberg. Sure Wennberg is taking some time, but man that guy is going to be an incredible playmaker and he can play well in all three zones.

There are far worse things. What I'm actually tired of is the number of dirty goal type of players we have. You need someone to create space for him. One of the reasons I wouldn't mind Nash back. He's slowing down, but man he demands attention and he can get the shot on net. Guys like Jenner can clean up quite nicely.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

You hit the nail on the head.

Brown is an exceptional prospect. In many sports guys with his size take time to be truly comfortable in their bodies. Hence what Brown has done so far and so early in the process on skates is nothing to spit at.

With Puljujärvi you add to Blue Jackets already wide top-9 winger list someone with second line upside. Not the next Kurri or Selänne or not anything even that special when it has all been said and done. A project winger with heavy need to work on his all-around game to fulfill his pre-draft hype.

This ends the debate for me. If you think Brown is the answer, I take Puljujarvi.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I know what I do not want: I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SINGLE DIGITS GOALS PER YEAR CENTER LIKE WENNBERG. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER CENTER WHO WILL TAKE 3-4 YEARS TO DEVELOP LIKE WENNBERG. I GUESS I DO NOT WANT "WENNBERG- THE SEQUEL".

Brown is definately not that , he has a booming slapshot, and his wrist shot is similar to werenski's in that he releases in a flash . From what I read last night , many of cbj scouts definately feel he's a number one center . Think back , Johansen was a late charger , off the radar pick where we grabbed him. I don't think anyone thinks that right now , brown is better than Jesse , but what is Browns ceiling? And I believe that the combined asset of brown plus whomever we also get in an asset would have to be higher than Jesse for us to not draft Jesse at 3 . We just doing due dillegence

 

[CBJWerenski8]

This ends the debate for me. If you think Brown is the answer, I take Puljujarvi.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Wennberg is developing just fine, thank you.

 

[Jackets16]

I see both sides.

If we could trade Hartnell for a top 2nd round pick without taking on any salary I would do it.
But I'm not sold on Brown. Not sure what he will be and not sure how long it will take him to get there.

The optics in my mind would be if you do that trade - you know we're going to be very bad next season. Taking out 2 likely top 6 forwards (Hartnell and #3oa) and replacing them with 2 prospects who will not be in Columbus next season. That will be a tough sell, especially with the 4th line still clogged with wasted players.

What does that have to with any of this?

 

[NotWendell]

I know what I do not want: I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SINGLE DIGITS GOALS PER YEAR CENTER LIKE WENNBERG. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER CENTER WHO WILL TAKE 3-4 YEARS TO DEVELOP LIKE WENNBERG. I GUESS I DO NOT WANT "WENNBERG- THE SEQUEL".

Well, I certainly don't want that at right wing either.

 

[major major]

These pop-up advertisements on HF Boards are now making it almost unbearable to come here any longer. I get it, but damn, I can't take it much longer.

I forgot those ads existed. Get an ad blocker. It takes 30 seconds and you'll never have to see them again.

 

[major major]

Well, I certainly don't want that at right wing either.

So you somehow got it in your head that a team that scores a lot of goals for not having the puck much (9th in 5 on 5 goals despite having the most defensive zone draws in the league) needs shooters not passers,

AND you got it in your head that Jesse Puljujarvi is not a goal scorer. He's probably the third best goal scorer in this draft. We just don't talk about it because his other attributes are even better.

 

[theD86]

I'm going off what Jarmo Said...... I'm going to dare go outside what people have said. I think there's a real chance the CBJ take Pierre-Luc Dubois C at #3.


http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...akers/2016/06/kekalainen-ok-as-lone-wolf.html

 

[NotWendell]

So you somehow got it in your head that a team that scores a lot of goals for not having the puck much (9th in 5 on 5 goals despite having the most defensive zone draws in the league) needs shooters not passers,

AND you got it in your head that Jesse Puljujarvi is not a goal scorer. He's probably the third best goal scorer in this draft. We just don't talk about it because his other attributes are even better.

It's a fact that this club created MANY glorious scoring chances last season that did not result in goals. Many more than other teams around the league.