2016 Draft Thread III (June 24-25, 7PM)

[cbjfaninmo]

With the third pick Columbus selects Jesse Puljujarvi.

Thank you and good night.

 

[major major]

Apparently this fanbase hasn't seen much of Joe Thornton or Hank Sedin over the years. Let me tell you how it works. An elite playmaker makes everyone around him better. Jonathan Cheechoo scored 56 goals for fricks sakes. If they can do that, they don't need to score 20 goals to be one of the most valuable players on the planet.

Now do we have guys who could score 50+ alongside an elite playmaker? Yes, several guys could. Do we have an elite playmaker? No, Wennberg maybe someday, but he's unlikely to be elite.

 

[CBJx614]

I'm worried about the optics of it.

Jarmo is the reason why we have these big contracts. He's also the reason why we're lacking a #1 C.

I don't feel like he should move the 3 OA pick to address needs he, himself, created. He's basically using the 3 OA as a get out of jail free card.

I'd prefer him to draft Puljujarvi, re-sign Jones, and say "oh no, we have had a solid plan all along with what to do with the cap and how to address our need at center." For center, he could say Jenner/Wennberg are projecting nicely or that they plan to make another move in the future.

At least pretend like he had a plan when he re-signed Foligno, Dubinsky, Bob, acquired Hartnell and Clarkson, and traded Johansen for Jones. Otherwise, he's being way too reactionary for my tastes.

I hate this argument, yes we're lacking a 1C, but our defense was literally one of the worst in the league, meanwhile even without a #1C we have a top 15 offense in the league. SOMETHING had to be done about the defense and waiting around for Werenski and Murray wasnt an option. And we weren't going to get anything worthwhile without giving up a significant piece.

 

[major major]

It's a fact that this club created MANY glorious scoring chances last season that did not result in goals. Many more than other teams around the league.

No that's not a fact. It's probably completely opposite from the truth. I don't know if you watch other teams.

 

[major major]

Until Jarmo actually trades down the pick to dump salary, I'd like us to hold off on the character attacks and insinuating against him.

Yes, he's been terrible at cap management, but he only has to move one contract, and there's lots of ways to do that and plenty of other options. A draft pick trade is completely unnecessary to move salary.

 

[JacketsDavid]

What does that have to with any of this?

I means the team will suck if you trade Hartnell & a likely top 6 forward who is NHL ready for a C prospect and a high 2nd round pick. At least if you move down drop a bad asset as well (Boll for example). Quite honestly fair value for moving down a spot is likely a round round pick.

A brand new GM could get away with that - we're cleaning up the mess from last guy, but these guys (JD/Jarmo) don't have that luxury.

 

[WannabeFinn]

Jarmo's got the track record of being a wizard at the draft, but holy s**t. This isn't a pick in the 10-20 range we're talking about here. This is 3rd overall with a CLEAR CUT TOP 3. If he picks someone other than Laine/Pulju at 3 I will be calling for his head, and I've been a longtime supporter of his.

If he doesn't want one of them, fine. AT LEAST trade down a spot or two and get some assets. Pissing away #3 on Logan Brown or someone like that is inexcusable.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Now do we have guys who could score 50+ alongside an elite playmaker? Yes, several guys could. Do we have an elite playmaker? No, Wennberg maybe someday, but he's unlikely to be elite.

I disagree.

First, they don't have "several" guys that can score 50 goals. They have 1, and it's Bjorkstrand.

Second, if they skate Wennberg with Saad and Bjorkstrand, he will put up legit #1 numbers.

 

[CBJx614]

I disagree.

First, they don't have "several" guys that can score 50 goals. They have 1, and it's Bjorkstrand.

Second, if they skate Wennberg with Saad and Bjorkstrand, he will put up legit #1 numbers.

I completely argee. I expect Wennberg to hit 50pts if hes paired with Saad alone. Putting Bjorkstrand on his other side is a recipe towards greatness.

 

[CBJx614]

I know what I do not want: I DON'T WANT ANOTHER SINGLE DIGITS GOALS PER YEAR CENTER LIKE WENNBERG. I DO NOT WANT ANOTHER CENTER WHO WILL TAKE 3-4 YEARS TO DEVELOP LIKE WENNBERG. I GUESS I DO NOT WANT "WENNBERG- THE SEQUEL".

Well the only way we're getting one of those is a trade involving EDM(Drai) or TOR(Matthews) otherwise there are none. Almost every single young C with upside takes AT LEAST 2-3 years before they're ready. I see absolutely nothing wrong with Wennberg. We have a borderline elite playmaker in Wennberg and a plethora of goal scoring wingers....i fail to see a problem.

 

[Dr. Fire]

Well the only way we're getting one of those is a trade involving EDM(Drai) or TOR(Matthews) otherwise there are none. Almost every single young C with upside takes AT LEAST 2-3 years before they're ready. I see absolutely nothing wrong with Wennberg. We have a borderline elite playmaker in Wennberg and a plethora of goal scoring wingers....i fail to see a problem.

This is so true of so many prospects. Granted he is a LW, but doesn't that also hold true for a guy like Milano. It seems so many here are ready to call Sonny a draft bust, but damn, give the kid some time to develop. I didn't think he looked bad in his couple of games here last season. Granted, he didn't knock my socks off, but he looked OK to me.

 

[Crede777]

I hate this argument, yes we're lacking a 1C, but our defense was literally one of the worst in the league, meanwhile even without a #1C we have a top 15 offense in the league. SOMETHING had to be done about the defense and waiting around for Werenski and Murray wasnt an option. And we weren't going to get anything worthwhile without giving up a significant piece.

I don't mean to make it sound like I'm against the Johansen for Jones trade itself.

I'm saying that what I want to hear from Jarmo is that, when he did the trade, he already had a plan to get another 1C that didn't include winning the draft lottery or trying to develop one 3-4 years from now.

His plan could be another upcoming trade or it could be that he thinks we already have one internally (Jenner/Wennberg).

Just like I want to hear that he has a plan in place to solve our cap issues which doesn't involve the 3 OA.

Want to REALLY be impressive as a GM?
- Draft Puljujarvi
- Acquire a #1 C (even a borderline #1/2 guy like RNH will do) without moving Murray/Jones. (I'll count a breakout season by Wennberg as "acquiring one.")
- Re-Sign Jones
- Figure out the cap
- Make it so we don't lose a core player to Las Vegas.

 

[CBJx614]

I don't mean to make it sound like I'm against the Johansen for Jones trade itself.

I'm saying that what I want to hear from Jarmo is that, when he did the trade, he already had a plan to get another 1C that didn't include winning the draft lottery or trying to develop one 3-4 years from now.

His plan could be another upcoming trade or it could be that he thinks we already have one internally (Jenner/Wennberg).

Just like I want to hear that he has a plan in place to solve our cap issues which doesn't involve the 3 OA.

Want to REALLY be impressive as a GM?
- Draft Puljujarvi
- Acquire a #1 C (even a borderline #1/2 guy like RNH will do) without moving Murray/Jones.
- Re-Sign Jones
- Figure out the cap
- Make it so we don't lose a core player to Las Vegas.

Jarmo hasnt exactly been one to let it be known what his plan is. It just adds to his mysterious super villian vibe

 

[Crede777]

Jarmo hasnt exactly been one to let it be known what his plan is. It just adds to his mysterious super villian vibe

From a managerial perspective you either need to have results or at least present a plan to get the results.

If you don't produce results and are tight lipped about the plan going forward, you're soon to be fired.

 

[CBJx614]

This is so true of so many prospects. Granted he is a LW, but doesn't that also hold true for a guy like Milano. It seems so many here are ready to call Sonny a draft bust, but damn, give the kid some time to develop. I didn't think he looked bad in his couple of games here last season. Granted, he didn't knock my socks off, but he looked OK to me.

I mean realistically anyone whose not a top 5 pick shouldnt be expected to play in the NHL full time for a minimum of 2 years. Its not like the NFL where guys come out of the draft as full fledged grown men. Most of these prospects for the NHL arent even fully done growing or maturing

 

[CBJx614]

From a managerial perspective you either need to have results or at least present a plan to get the results.

If you don't produce results and are tight lipped about the plan going forward, you're soon to be fired.

Just because they havent released it to the public doesnt mean there's not a plan. From everything ive seen, it seems like he shares justabout everything with JD. And if that's the case its just as much on JD as it is on Jarmo.

 

[EspenK]

Jarmo didn't trade Joey. Joey traded Joey by his play, attitude, floating, condition-whatever it was all on him. He starts this past season like he finished the previous one we're still looking for a top D.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Jarmo's got the track record of being a wizard at the draft, but holy s**t. This isn't a pick in the 10-20 range we're talking about here. This is 3rd overall with a CLEAR CUT TOP 3. If he picks someone other than Laine/Pulju at 3 I will be calling for his head, and I've been a longtime supporter of his.

If he doesn't want one of them, fine. AT LEAST trade down a spot or two and get some assets. Pissing away #3 on Logan Brown or someone like that is inexcusable.

Agreed 100%. It's like no one remembers the widespread outcry when #4 in 2010 was spent on Johansen instead of Fowler or Gormley because of the idea that falling back a few spots and still getting Johansen could have been done. We found out later that that wasn't the case, that Johansen wouldn't have made it past #5, but that starts getting back into Johansen-for-Hemsky territory.

Imagine if Edmonton or Boston that year had taken Johansen over Hall or Seguin, or if the Islanders had passed on Tavares for Matt Duchene, or if Columbus had passed on Voracek for Zach Hamill because he's a center.

 

[EDM]

I said I do not want ANOTHER Wennberg, that is a 3-4 year development project, and I do not. After 15 + years of paying $5,000 per year for tickets, I am unwilling to wait another 3-4 years to see exciting hockey. Last year I was bored to tears. Probably 70 % of the games were not enjoyable. My patience is wearing thin. The games should at least be competitive and exciting. Not last year. And other than the last month, not the year before either. I am not speaking for anyone else. But for me the clock is ticking and it is getting near midnight.

 

[DJA]

I said I do not want ANOTHER Wennberg, that is a 3-4 year development project, and I do not. After 15 + years of paying $5,000 per year for tickets, I am unwilling to wait another 3-4 years to see exciting hockey. Last year I was bored to tears. Probably 70 % of the games were not enjoyable. My patience is wearing thin. The games should at least be competitive and exciting. Not last year. And other than the last month, not the year before either. I am not speaking for anyone else. But for me the clock is ticking and it is getting near midnight.

EDM, I would think you would be familiar with how the NHL draft works by now. 99% of drafted players are 3 year (or more) projects. This isn't a free agent draft where guys are expected to step in and produce.

 

[EDM]

Well that is true that the 3-4 window year is usually applicable for the 7-8th picks. But this year there seems to be consensus that the top three are NHL ready. I want one of them and I want it NOW. Again I speak for none but myself and I am not trying to convince anyone else of anything. Just my personal preference. Jarmo knows more Hockey than I could ever hope to know. But right now my motivations are more emotional than rational. How will I feel in a month, who knows? But for now and after this past season, I am feeling very negative. I want to see change and I WANT IT NOW !!! DANG IT.

 

[KJ Dangler]

With the third pick Columbus selects Jesse Puljujarvi.

Thank you and good night.

EDM, I would think you would be familiar with how the NHL draft works by now. 99% of drafted players are 3 year (or more) projects. This isn't a free agent draft where guys are expected to step in and produce.

I think he gets that , since we're drafting at 3 , he's expecting elite skill at that pick to be on the ice next year . If we draft Jesse, that will probably be the case .

 

[Dr. Fire]

EDM, I would think you would be familiar with how the NHL draft works by now. 99% of drafted players are 3 year (or more) projects. This isn't a free agent draft where guys are expected to step in and produce.

In that regard, maybe the CBJ do need to trade the third pick. They need to do something for this fan-base now, and not later. Certainly Pulj is expected to be in the NHL, but that doesn't mean he is going to dominate right away.

Maybe a couple of players that can step in now and improve the team, plus a drafted center that will be NHL ready in a couple of seasons would help the fan-base more then one guy who we think is going to help us now.

 

[KJ Dangler]

Well that is true that the 3-4 window year is usually applicable for the 7-8th picks. But this year there seems to be consensus that the top three are NHL ready. I want one of them and I want it NOW. Again I speak for none but myself and I am not trying to convince anyone else of anything. Just my personal preference. Jarmo knows more Hockey than I could ever hope to know. But right now my motivations are more emotional than rational. How will I feel in a month, who knows? But for now and after this past season, I am feeling very negative. I want to see change and I WANT IT NOW !!! DANG IT.

Yep, for once I would love to see our organization , swinging the big stick , and make some aggressive moves . Like a buffalo, for example . Seems like we always talk of a known need , and go years with that same problem. I realize Seth Jones was a big move .

 

[DJA]

Doesn't seem Jarmo can win. He gets skewered for the big moves (Horton, Gaborik, Johansen) but then people call for his head for sitting back and being patient. Life of a GM, I guess.