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[Mayor Bee]

Ehrhoff on waivers for LA...he's been awful for them

With our luck, the single point gained last night (which dropped the team down in waiver priority) will allow Edmonton to claim him and he'll be terrific for them.

Personally I'd claim Ehrhoff and dump Prout, but that's just me.

 

[We Want Ten]

With our luck, the single point gained last night (which dropped the team down in waiver priority) will allow Edmonton to claim him and he'll be terrific for them.

Personally I'd claim Ehrhoff and dump Prout, but that's just me.

Well lets start forming a line because I'm with you

 

[Kev22]

With our luck, the single point gained last night (which dropped the team down in waiver priority) will allow Edmonton to claim him and he'll be terrific for them.

Personally I'd claim Ehrhoff and dump Prout, but that's just me.

What's the point in claiming him now? We're not making a playoff run, that ship sailed long ago. He didn't want to sign here in the off-season. His contract expires at the end of the season, would he be in long term plans? Not with Jones on board and likely Werenski. It would be a pretty illogical move to me.

 

[JacketsFanWest]

Claiming Ehrhoff would be an extended tryout for next season. And trying to convince him to re-sign.

Next season, there needs to be some veterans on defense. It can't just be add Werenski and whatever prospects make the roster.

But is Ehrhoff an improvement over Tyutin? Kings fans think Ehrhoff is slower than molasses.

 

[Fro]

claiming Ehrhoff to me means Jack is gone...

 

[EspenK]

why would we want him? We need to "showcase" Tyutin as much as possible so we can get rid of him. Golobouef needs playing time. If we trade Tyutin I'd rather see Paliotta and Harrington called up for some games up to see where they're at.

 

[WannabeFinn]

why would we want him? We need to "showcase" Tyutin as much as possible so we can get rid of him. Golobouef needs playing time. If we trade Tyutin I'd rather see Paliotta and Harrington called up for some games up to see where they're at.

whoa when did we acquire Scott Harrington?!

 

[JacketsDavid]

I will say this, after 15 years of paying a large sum of money for tickets every year, I am not interested in having a team that sucks for 3-4 more years in order to be competitive in 2020. No way.

But you're ok paying large sums for a bad team though?

Listen I do the same thing - I've had 2 (or as many as 4) seats every season. And I always have low expectations - this was probably only the 2nd year where I thought we would make the playoffs (also the year after Hitch and Mason took us to the playoffs).
For me if the team looked like they had a plan, I'd still sign up. I'll probably still sign up either way honestly but I didn't leave when Whitney was let go, didn't leave when Nash left, didn't leave when RyJo left and I know I wouldn't leave if Jack and/or Cam got traded.
I hate the constant tinkering with the roster - it never really helps. They plug one gap and another one surfaces. At least now the farm system looks stronger. I'd roll the dice if the right deals came along - I know I fully expect for the CBJ to do very little at the deadline and also tinker with next seasons rosters but I would rather see it largely blown up and build around the young d-men.

 

[Kev22]

With this season being lost long ago. I think that Jarmo needs to get rid of Tyutin and Hartnell at the deadline, preferably for picks. If possible, he should explore moving Johnson, Campbell, Boll and Clarkson. Clarkson is likely an immovable force, but the other three might have some use for a contender. If they can't be moved, try to do it in the offseason.

I would like to see this lineup to start the year next season:

Saad-Wennberg-Jenner
Foligno-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Rychel-Karlsson-Bjorkstrand or UFA
Calvert-Chaput-Anderson

Jones-Murray
Savard-Johnson/UFA
Werenski-Goloubef

Bobrovsky
Korpisalo

If you move Tyutin, Hartnell and McElhinney, that's 10,050,000 in cap space. If you move Johnson, Campbell and Boll, that's 7,557,142 in cap space. The wild card is Clarkson. If you find a way to move him, that's another 5,250,000.

Let Prout, Falk and Bourque walk, all totaled you have 22,857,142 in cap space. Enough money to sign Jenner, Karlsson, Murray, Jones and Werenski to his entry level.

I'm not good at predicting how much these guys are going to sign for, but I would think that Jenner gets 3M, Murray 3M and Jones 3.5M. Karlsson gets 1.3M and I don't know what an entry level cap hit would be for Werenski. There probably won't be any room for any huge UFA signings either.
I could live with struggling next season with this kind of lineup

 

[niflheim]

my proposal very simple. Stay with overpaided grinders and chronic groinitis, resign Clarkson 7 y extension after his contract expires, try accumulate all possible league's toxic contracts and trade Saad, Jenner, Wennberg, Murray, Werenski, Jones, Korpisalo, Milano, Bjork because these guys deserve better future, invest in gen engineering companies to get own clone waiting SC

 

[Viqsi]

I disagree. This is what the Jackets have historically always done - tried to be mediocure/average.

You either want to be good or be bad. No use in being below average. Give yourself a chance at a top pick in the draft or have most/all the pieces in place and being good or on the road to good.

I think being bad is the best way to add quality assets. Not the only way but the way it's usually done.

Case could be made that maybe the assets are in place (less a 1C) but I'm not that confident in all the youngsters, but I understand if someone feels that way.

I'm going to say this once, directly, and with as few words as is reasonably possible so that it is perfectly clear:

****. THIS. TANKING. BULL****.

It was bull**** when it was first proposed, it's been bull**** when we've actually done it and drafted high, it's been bull**** when the odds actually supported doing so, and it's even MORE bull**** now that the lottery is such that we stand a better chance of picking 4th overall than 1st if we're any one of the bottom-4 teams.

It is bull****. It has always been bull****. It will always BE bull****. SEE THIS. Comprehend it. Understand it. And STOP ADVOCATING FOR ****TY TANKING MOVES BECAUSE THEY ARE INEVITABLY BULL****.


I swear to G-d if this franchise ever deliberately tanks I'm joining the anti-Nationwide buyout mafia and will do my utmost to see this franchise relocated to Alaska or something, and to ****ing hell with anyone who feels that that's disloyal because IT MEANS YOU BELIEVE IN BULL****.

 

[Mayor Bee]

my proposal very simple. Stay with overpaided grinders and chronic groinitis, resign Clarkson 7 y extension after his contract expires, try accumulate all possible league's toxic contracts and trade Saad, Jenner, Wennberg, Murray, Werenski, Jones, Korpisalo, Milano, Bjork because these guys deserve better future, invest in gen engineering companies to get own clone waiting SC

Damn it Jarmo, get off the boards!

 

[Mayor Bee]

I'm going to say this once, directly, and with as few words as is reasonably possible so that it is perfectly clear:

****. THIS. TANKING. BULL****.

It was bull**** when it was first proposed, it's been bull**** when we've actually done it and drafted high, it's been bull**** when the odds actually supported doing so, and it's even MORE bull**** now that the lottery is such that we stand a better chance of picking 4th overall than 1st if we're any one of the bottom-4 teams.

It is bull****. It has always been bull****. It will always BE bull****. SEE THIS. Comprehend it. Understand it. And STOP ADVOCATING FOR ****TY TANKING MOVES BECAUSE THEY ARE INEVITABLY BULL****.


I swear to G-d if this franchise ever deliberately tanks I'm joining the anti-Nationwide buyout mafia and will do my utmost to see this franchise relocated to Alaska or something, and to ****ing hell with anyone who feels that that's disloyal because IT MEANS YOU BELIEVE IN BULL****.

From a competitor's standpoint, I absolutely agree with you.

From a pragmatic standpoint, I don't. As a lifelong Browns fan, I've seen what it looks like year after year of floating around 5-11 and getting the 8th pick, then whiffing on all the franchise players at the top. We've seen teams in the NHL improve rapidly after drafting top-level players like Stamkos and Kane and Doughty at the top of their respective drafts. And we've seen Columbus never get any of those guys; the best guy drafted highly was arguably Johansen, and there were plenty who regarded that as a reach. And he's not quite as good as Seguin anyway.

 

[Viqsi]

From a competitor's standpoint, I absolutely agree with you.

From a pragmatic standpoint, I don't. As a lifelong Browns fan, I've seen what it looks like year after year of floating around 5-11 and getting the 8th pick, then whiffing on all the franchise players at the top. We've seen teams in the NHL improve rapidly after drafting top-level players like Stamkos and Kane and Doughty at the top of their respective drafts. And we've seen Columbus never get any of those guys; the best guy drafted highly was arguably Johansen, and there were plenty who regarded that as a reach. And he's not quite as good as Seguin anyway.

Edmonton.

Atlanta.

Colorado.

Ottawa. (At first.)

 

[WannabeFinn]

Edmonton.

Atlanta.

Colorado.

Ottawa. (At first.)

Maybe if Edmonton didn't draft forward after forward they wouldn't be in such a ****** spot. It's still hard to argue that they DON'T have a bright future.

What's wrong with Colorado? They have had a fine team on paper but were relegated to the toughest division in the league.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Edmonton.

Atlanta.

Colorado.

Ottawa. (At first.)

But the counter to that is Columbus. Always average at best (best season was a 7 seed in playoffs which is 13 or 14th out of 30 teams) always trying to win/tinker. And over the last 3/5/10/15 years any way you slice it we're one of the worst (if not the worst) franchise in the league. Only team that is remotely as bad for as long is Edmonton.
Talk to any GM in any sport and they all know you don't want to be average.
I follow baseball a lot more than hockey and look at the Astros and Cubs. Both teams were hideous for a number of years and refused to add talent, but that was by design. What they ended up with is a bevy of riches now. Ton of young players/prospects - and a low payroll so they could add the right players (Cubs got Jon Lester last off season and Jason Heyward this offseason) to supplement any weaknesses.

No body has a worse long-term plan (or maybe failed to execute a plan) than the CBJ. it got screwed up after 1st season when John Mc really thought we would be a playoff team in year 2 (with his infamous promise about walking across river if we didn't) so he let Doug spend some money on 2 d-men. Ever since then the brain-trust has always thought they were 1-2 player(s) away and constantly tried to add that piece. now we have a bad team with ton of bad contracts signed long-term.

 

[Mayor Bee]

Edmonton.

Atlanta.

Colorado.

Ottawa. (At first.)

Edmonton was run by a moron.

Atlanta was run by a moron.

Colorado was run by multiple morons.

Ottawa was completely hosed in the initial expansion draft and was also run by morons, and also had the bad luck of bottoming out during some draft years that were weak at the top.

 

[Viqsi]

But the counter to that is Columbus.

Because Rick Nash and Ryan Murray have both truly set this team on fire and made it great, right?


Seriously. This persistent obsessive insanity over Quests For The Great Savior At The Top Of The Draft is right up there with suggesting that we'll solve our lack of a #1C by getting Stamkos to sign here at $5m/year for seven years. It could happen, and there are teams who secured their #1C at rates like that, and so it's not totally impossible, but the sheer weight of evidence is so strongly against it that actually banking on such a thing is arguably completely detached from reality.

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Edmonton was run by a moron.

Atlanta was run by a moron.

Colorado was run by multiple morons.

Ottawa was completely hosed in the initial expansion draft and was also run by morons, and also had the bad luck of bottoming out during some draft years that were weak at the top.

And I suppose we were also run by a moron in 2012?

And how are we doing now, for that matter?

 

[jackets4life]

Edmonton.

Atlanta.

Colorado.

Ottawa. (At first.)

Washington- Ovi, Backstrom (7 out of 10 playoff berths since)

Pittsburgh- Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal (Cup)

Chicago- Toews, Kane (Cup, Cup, Cup)

Islanders- Tavares (Playoff bound again)

Tampa Bay- Stamkos (Cup Final)

Los Angeles- Doughty (Cup, Cup)

Florida- Huberdeau, Barkov, Ekblad (1st Place Atlantic Division)



Viqsi, you're just wrong on this one. Just because the Oilers are still bad (mostly due to poor management never bothering with building a defensive corps) is nothing more than an anomaly among so many other cases. Tanking works, and the Blue Jackets never figuring that out is why the Blue Jackets have been and will remain bad for a very long time.

 

[JacketsDavid]

Because Rick Nash and Ryan Murray have both truly set this team on fire and made it great, right?


Seriously. This persistent obsessive insanity over Quests For The Great Savior At The Top Of The Draft is right up there with suggesting that we'll solve our lack of a #1C by getting Stamkos to sign here at $5m/year for seven years. It could happen, and there are teams who secured their #1C at rates like that, and so it's not totally impossible, but the sheer weight of evidence is so strongly against it that actually banking on such a thing is arguably completely detached from reality.

Rick Nash was the best player this franchise has seen. Unfortunately the coaches never pushed him (except Hitch) and he didn't push himself. But he's a legit 1st line player on all 30 NHL franchises. I don't think you can point to any other players on our team you can say that about (RyJo may have been close)? I mean our top pairing d-man was playing 3rd pair minutes before we acquired him. Personally I hated Nash, but I can recognize his skill.

As for Murray he's young. Not like he is a bust, he's playing top 4 minutes.

So yes I think the best shot of this team ever being something involves us taking our medicine, shedding ourselves of bad contracts, being patient and adding players when the kids are competitive (likely 2, maybe 3 seasons down the road) then using cap space to supplement them. Not adding pieces all along the way and hoping it fits (Gabby, Carter, Anson Carter, Marchant, etc) - all were "pretty pieces" when we got them and they didn't help.

 

[Crede777]

Viqsi, you're just wrong on this one. Just because the Oilers are still bad (mostly due to poor management never bothering with building a defensive corps) is nothing more than an anomaly among so many other cases. Tanking works, and the Blue Jackets never figuring that out is why the Blue Jackets have been and will remain bad for a very long time.

The argument isn't if tanking works. The argument is that it's too damn late for tanking. They had from 2000 - now to tank. That's the "fans good grace" period. In fact, they fell out of the fans' good graces a while ago. But it's past time. They need something to sell the fans and more losing isn't enough.

For most teams, the smart move is to shed salary and get some lottery picks. For the Jackets, with their history, they don't (or shouldn't) have that option.

So do I want to see a team constantly just miss the playoffs? No, I want to see a team that just misses the playoffs but is competent enough to draft and develop well from inside! If the team has a franchise player (like, say, a center) who has issues, I want them to be able to FIGURE OUT THOSE ISSUES and FIX THEM rather than have to trade the player away. If the Jackets are going to write off a year, then what incentive do I have to buy season tickets? I can just watch them lose on television, and then re-purchase season tickets when (if) they become good. This isn't Montreal. There's no wait list for tickets in Columbus.

 

[We Want Ten]

Can tanking make us worse than we have been? If not you absolutely do it. To you know, get better.

 

[jackets4life]

The argument isn't if tanking works. The argument is that it's too damn late for tanking. They had from 2000 - now to tank. That's the "fans good grace" period. In fact, they fell out of the fans' good graces a while ago. But it's past time. They need something to sell the fans and more losing isn't enough.

Why start caring about the fans now? As a diehard fan of this team from day one I want to see them dump bad contracts, move expensive players, go strictly budget the next year or two to offset the opportunity cost of empty seats, draft high, and really get the core issues addressed with this team. Let's be honest here, the arena is going to be empty next season either way at this point, just like it was last night. I know for a fact I'm not the only STH that's going to be considering taking his money elsewhere come the offseason. So just for once let's try losing and getting this thing going forward again with a guy like Matthews or Laine.

I guess what I'm trying to say is many fans and STH likely see this season as the last straw and won't renew regardless of what "sales pitch" or "incentive" they give us. Many fans will be gone whether or not we tank (just look at the 4 page GDTs for proof) so just do it and hope for the best that can come of it.

 

[S1N4TR4]

Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised if Jarmo were to make a move for Mikko Rantanen of the Avalanche.. Former 1st round, top 10 pick. He's playing in the AHL right now and there's no words for how dominant he's been. 39 points in 30 games, +26... He's from Finland too so there's always that Finnish connection with Jarmo. Also important to note that the Jackets are desperately thin at Right Wing. Avs have been scouting the Jackets at least once a week it seems according to Portzline's tweets.

 

[MoeBartoli]

Makes alot of sense to trade Cam right now..Even if I don't want them to

It makes NO sense to deal Cam now short of Bryan Burke or Bougie resurfacing as a GM to deal with. Absent that I would be surprised we improve the team though I believe Cam has good market value. Cam has a sorely needed speed and skill lacking on this club. And his age and salary hit fit in well for us. Also he has responded well to Torts and I anticipate Torts coaching here for possibly several more years. .