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Speculation: 2016 Deadline Sellapaloza Thread | 2/29 3PM | (Proposals, Blog Rumors, etc. here)
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EspenK
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Cam??? They are dangling Cam ???? What the frig is that ? A total five year rebuild? There is nothing we can get for Cam that eould improve this team over the next 2-3 years. Trading Cam is a complete flushing of the current team. With both Cam & Hartnell moved we would have less offense than the original first year team. That is ridiculous. Trading both would actually cause me to give serious thought to giving up my season tickets.
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my guess is they're compiling any news out there...at one point Cam was, not sure he is anymore...or if he is, he better return a HUGE hull for at 20-30g scorer...on a really nice contract
CBJSlash
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Cam would have crazy high value right now. I'd at least be interesting in seeing what he's worth. I'd be shocked if he were traded though, but if a young center is on the table, you'd have to consider it. I can imagine Derek Stepan being available to alleviate their cap issues.
EspenK
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CBJSlash
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There will be other players moved. What our cap situation looks like in three weeks may be very, very different.
CBJWerenski8
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It's from thefouthperiod; I wouldn't put much stock in it. Having said that, the question I have is why would we have interest in Stepan? He's like another Dubinsky, but not quite as good and more expensive. Dude isn't even good at faceoffs.
I'll be honest, I'm not sold we're going out of our way looking for a center. If one comes along, sure - but I don't see us getting all worked up over a Stepan.
EspenK
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Huh? I don't see any reason to. No one is giving up a top 6 forward or a top 4 D for him. He's inexpensive at 3.5 for 2 more years. He's what? 26 or 27? Why do you think it makes sense?
It's not about being better in 2015-16. May not even be about 2016-17? We are building for the future, and part of that building means trading pieces that are helping us now that allows us a better change of getting the best draft pick possible this year.
I like Cam and his salary is reasonable. That makes him a valuable asset. Now if we trade him for a second round pick then yes I'm not interested but if he can net us a first round pick plus a future 2nd round pick (or prospect).
Problem with trading Hartnell is with him he has a bigger salary so he may get us a first round pick but will also likely bring us back a salary in return as well.
So I think we need to listen to offers for guys like Cam and JJ. They have reasonable contracts and are productive which makes them appealing - plus potentially moving them weakens us this season which could give us a better chance at top 3 in the draft. I'm not for trading them for scraps but if the offer is right it could make sense.
CBJSlash
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What would we be interesting in trading for if it's not a center? I wouldn't be opposed to a strong young defender, but we are loaded on the wings.
I'm not saying, I'd want Stepan or his contract, but given the Rangers continued interest in Atkinson, crunch on the cap, Stepan's step back in play, and Hayes's desire to play center, I can imagine him being in play. I can imagine some interest from us given his age if we think there's upside to him.
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A few things,
1. Even if the Rangers are continually interested; who says the CBJ FO gives a crap? I'm not under the impression that the CBJ are all that interested is moving in right now or if they are inclined they have any interest in the Rangers.
2. I can't imagine the CBJ interested in that contract; even with retention. He's NOT an upgrade of Cam and the only reason he's an upgrade over Wennberg is that he's more experienced.
3. Your assumption is that we're anything but sellers right now. We'll always be opportunistic buyers (Saad), but who says we're in buy mode?
4. The wing situation might look different in 5 months.
5. I wouldn't say we're loaded at wing, we're deep at wing. We are certainly missing elite talent at wing; so if that happens to come along at some point you have to listen. We can argue prospects but that's addressed by creating spots lower in the lineup.
WannabeFinn
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I understand selling high on assets but I'd be extremely pissed if we traded Cam at this juncture.
Crede777
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Ticket holders are considering renewing season tickets for 2016-2017. The team has to be able to sell that year to them. Otherwise, have fun rebuilding in front of an empty stadium.
Maybe if this team had a different history, people would be more patient. But the patience has been used up. Good graces went out the window after 10-11 years of bad hockey.
People aren't buying tickets because the team sucks. We're in 29th place now.
Do you think if we keep the band together that we'll jump in the standings next year?
People aren't going to renew because of where the team is. Cam Atkinson and JJ aren't selling tickets.
Fans won't flock back until you have an entertaining and winning product. I'm not sure how you win with this same team next season.
Now if you went out and traded everyone (Jones, Murray, Dubi, Bob, etc) then yes maybe the fans revolt.
But to me I'll be back because of the team - I could care less whose name is on the back of the sweater, all I want to do is believe the team is trying to win and has a plan (and the plan has not been good in very long time - since IMO Hitch).
Crede777
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This is true, but the timeline is what's important. Fans care that the team is trying to win immediately. That's what this team needs to do. They need to become competitive ASAP and then once they are decently competitive focus on the future. Rather than doing a tank job, they need to be a .500 playoff bubble team and THEN work on getting young assets.
I disagree. This is what the Jackets have historically always done - tried to be mediocure/average.
You either want to be good or be bad. No use in being below average. Give yourself a chance at a top pick in the draft or have most/all the pieces in place and being good or on the road to good.
I think being bad is the best way to add quality assets. Not the only way but the way it's usually done.
Case could be made that maybe the assets are in place (less a 1C) but I'm not that confident in all the youngsters, but I understand if someone feels that way.
I always caveat something like that by saying I need to see the return. I do find it hard to believe that we'd get back something that would make me think that the deal was worth it.
He has had a big transformation this season.
I'm not sure I believe that we're actively shopping him, unless we're just seeing what the market is. To be honest, as a GM I would always try and get a feel for what the market is for my players even if I have no interest in moving them.
I will say this, after 15 years of paying a large sum of money for tickets every year, I am not interested in having a team that sucks for 3-4 more years in order to be competitive in 2020. No way.
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