Speculation: 2016 Deadline Sellapaloza Thread | 2/29 3PM | (Proposals, Blog Rumors, etc. here)

[CBJWerenski8]

S/O to reporters/media saying Hartnell to Nashville was a "done deal."

Never believe those secondary sources that aren't team beat reporters.

 

[blahblah]

Wrong thread.

 

[The Jones Zone]

Clarkson's contract is going to make the next 2 years difficult on JD and Jarmo

but...2018-2019, and 2019-2020 seasons are going to be a complete nightmare when some of these younger guys are deserving of bigger contracts.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Clarkson's contract is going to make the next 2 years difficult on JD and Jarmo

but...2018-2019, and 2019-2020 seasons are going to be a complete nightmare when some of these younger guys are deserving of bigger contracts.

We'll see what the cap looks like. Murray is only going to get so much (he's not a dman that puts up points), Jenner will get a lot, Wennberg will get a fair raise, JJ, Bourque, Hartnell, Campbell, Boll Tyutin, among others likely gone. I don't think they're going to go short term with Jones. I think we're ok

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Corey tropp traded again

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Yes, but it seems the cap could be a little higher and still have everybody able to spend to it.

I believe it's dictated by the CBA. It comes down to revenues as well. If the cap was higher, it might be easier for only the large market teams to spend to the cap.

 

[The Jones Zone]

Corey tropp traded again

I'm surprised any team included a draft pick for him.....even a 7th round

 

[JacketsDavid]

My question is:

-Was there just ZERO interest in our players or was it a valuation issue? For guys like Hartnell I get it to not move him unless it's the right deal - but was there any offers at all for Tyutin or anyone else?

 

[Kev22]

So as it sits going into summer, GMJK has some decisions to make. Does he force a bridge deal on Jones? What is Karlsson worth? Who does he trade to make some space? Can he keep the young kids relatively intact?

I have a feeling we're going to lose a piece we don't want to give up in the offseason to solve the cap issues. Guess we'll see if a few months.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Never believe those secondary sources that aren't team beat reporters.

A certain beat reporter began tweeting about Kevin Fiala, Nashville prospect. Out of the blue.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

My question is:

-Was there just ZERO interest in our players or was it a valuation issue? For guys like Hartnell I get it to not move him unless it's the right deal - but was there any offers at all for Tyutin or anyone else?

Sounds like it was the latter. Jarmo said his phone was quiet all day.

 

[niflheim]

Clarkson's contract is going to make the next 2 years difficult on JD and Jarmo

Clarkson is going to win SC as Blue Jacket

 

[CBJWerenski8]

A certain beat reporter began tweeting about Kevin Fiala, Nashville prospect. Out of the blue.

Yes that was dumb, but never, not once, did he say a trade was immanent, likely (at least with Nashville), or going to happen. Which was a far cry from Eklunreliable and whoever the other bozo who started the "it's a done deal as soon as the game is done" stuff.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Clarkson is going to win SC as Blue Jacket

Suckiest Contract Award

 

[The Jones Zone]

My question is:

-Was there just ZERO interest in our players or was it a valuation issue? For guys like Hartnell I get it to not move him unless it's the right deal - but was there any offers at all for Tyutin or anyone else?

Here's my guess. Teams wanted Hartnell for next to nothing. Looking back at the Gaborik trade to the Kings, we got Matt Frattin, a second-round pick and a conditional third-round pick to Columbus. I assume we got the conditional pick, can anyone recall who the Jackets drafted with those 2 picks we got? Frattin was obviously worthless.

I prefer keeping and paying Hartnell as opposed to giving him away for salary dump. I was hoping 2tin would be our salary dump.

 

[Johansen2Foligno]

Here's my guess. Teams wanted Hartnell for next to nothing. Looking back at the Gaborik trade to the Kings, we got Matt Frattin, a second-round pick and a conditional third-round pick to Columbus. I assume we got the conditional pick, can anyone recall who the Jackets drafted with those 2 picks we got? Frattin was obviously worthless.

I prefer keeping and paying Hartnell as opposed to giving him away for salary dump. I was hoping 2tin would be our salary dump.

The Tin Man. I like it

 

[pete goegan]

The Tin Man. I like it

Not apt, no one has ever questioned Tyut's heart.

 

[blahblah]

I have a feeling we're going to lose a piece we don't want to give up in the offseason to solve the cap issues. Guess we'll see if a few months.

No chance.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

I think we traded that 3rd we got in that trade in the wisniewski deal

 

[Mayor Bee]

Did he not get rid of a worse contract and pick up a far more productive player in return? I don't have a problem with Hartnell's contract, he is paid commensurate with his production.

I agree with you that some of Jarmo's contracts are causing issues (Foligno and Dubinsky) but really the one's that are really putting this club in a pinch (Tyutin, Boll) belong to Howson.

Solving these problems is going to hurt. It will be interesting to see how everything shakes out and it doesn't cost this club somebody they want to keep.

Boll absolutely was not a Howson contract. And neither was Clarkson's, which is about ten times as onerous as anything Howson ever did.

Tyutin's paycheck has been a bargain considering both his general production and the marketplace as a whole; it's only stopped looking that way because this hasn't been a good year for him. If he rebounds next year to his normal self, then all is well. And if not, then it's another story.

 

[Mayor Bee]

The bad contracts Jarmo was trying to move, Hartnell and Tyutin, he was not responsible for. He's on the hook for some humdingers, but not those particular two.

The second that Hartnell was acquired in a trade, Jarmo very much became responsible for that contract. No different than when Clarkson was acquired, it no longer became "Can't blame me for what Toronto did!"

The current front office is responsible for Campbell ($1.5), Boll ($1.7), Clarkson ($5.25 w/NTC and NMC), Bourque ($3.33), and McElhinney ($800K) in the dead weight department. That's a shade under $13 million, roughly 20% of the current cap that is completely useless.

 

[NotWendell]

So in the end, the CBJ were NEITHER buyers NOR sellers.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Yes that was dumb, but never, not once, did he say a trade was immanent, likely (at least with Nashville), or going to happen. Which was a far cry from Eklunreliable and whoever the other bozo who started the "it's a done deal as soon as the game is done" stuff.

Ehhh he subtly tweeted about it during (or before?) the game on Saturday, but did not say "Hartnell to Nashville..."

 

[Forepar]

No chance.

Agreed.
While Buyouts don't seem to be CBJ's style, if they can't dump Tyutin's salary (or a portion thereof to approach the cap savings if a buyout), then the buyout of his contract seems too straightforward to pass up this summer if CBJ needs room.

$8.75M left on 2 years. Tyutin would get paid 2/3 of that, but spread over 4 years $1,458,333 per year). Cap hit adjusted accordingly (with a twist after comparing actual salary in those 2 years to current cap hit of $4.5M in each year). Ultimate result is that CBJ would save $2.915M in actual cash, and would save free up approximately $3M in cap space for the next 2 years (albeit with cap hits in the following 2 years of roughly $1.5M). The cash savings are more than enough to cover ELC for Werenski at $1M plus bonuses (or Cody at $1M after raise), and if Werenski or Cody are in fact the replacement at that number (I don't know what Werenski's cap hit, with bonuses will be), CBJ might still have NET savings of approximately $2M on the cap for the next 3 (length of Werenski's ELC). I realize this goes against grain of not wanting to pay for someone to sit - but this seems like the worst case scenario if cap space needed.

 

[Nanabijou]

So in the end, the CBJ were NEITHER buyers NOR sellers.

Yep, I was just going to say this.