Line Combos: 2016-2017 Kings Roster

[Basilisk]

Which is why I could see the Kings trading Mersch + to Vegas to make sure that they take one of Brown or Gaborik. I'm probably guessing the cost on the low-end but a man can dream.

That's insanity....

1) Why emphasize trading Gaborik?

2) Mersch is going to be to the Kings what Simmonds is to the Flyers (and was SUPPOSED to be to the Kings before Dean made the mistake of trading him! )....

 

[Trolfoli]

Brown: Is anyone here really upset about King/Lewis/Seto playing above Brown on the depth chart? Cap aside there are better players to select then Brown for an expansion team.

Also, are we really worried about losing Lewis for nothing?

 

[USE Fi]

This is why Lewis needs to be included in a trade for Trouba.....

There is no room in cap for anyone after Toffoli and Pearson deal's so we are not going to trade for Trouba.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/los-angeles-kings

 

[KingTrouty]

If there's a post I didn't see feel free to report it because of course that's not acceptable, but I've cleaned up some self-modding already.

I have a grown-up job just like many of the rest of you so I can't babysit grown men and women throwing food on the internet all day. Rest assured that things will get nuked accordingly. We're all on the same side here but things have escalated to unnecessarily personal lately.

It was some drive-by poster with like 900 posts since joining in 2009. I saw it, Tik is right, and I wrongly jumped on. It was easy to miss, RC, and I think a Global Mod zapped it. Rightfully so.

Anyways, so stoked for Tanner coming back. We can't keep icing these wingers we have with Kopi, and Tanner needs to be put up there with him. If Brown is an anchor on RW, hopefully he can at least clear space for Kopi and Tanner. Kopi, too, is a bulldozer and hopefully he can open up space for Tanner and that beaut wrister he has.

Until Gabby is back, Tanner needs to be on the top line.

You guys asserting a Brown exodus, while charming, is futile. It will never happen. Sadly. And I'm an optimist by nature, but also a realist.

For those that think it's realistic, it isn't. But fight the fight.

 

[Trolfoli]

There is no room in cap for anyone after Toffoli and Pearson deal's so we are not going to trade for Trouba.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/los-angeles-kings

King/Prucell/Gilbert/Greene don't need to be here next year, being replaced by cheaper options.

Scuderi will be off the books, 200k or so.

The cap will probably go up anyways.

There's plenty of space to trade for Trouba. Especially since a top 4D will be going back in the trade.

 

[KingsFan7824]

This is why Lewis needs to be included in a trade for Trouba.....

Not sure Lewis adds much to the deal. He's not a sweetener, he's a throw in.

There is no room in cap for anyone after Toffoli and Pearson deal's so we are not going to trade for Trouba.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/los-angeles-kings

There would be room, but the Kings would have to trade at least one big contract(and not the ones we'd like to see gone), which just moves the hole on the roster somewhere else.

 

[Basilisk]

There is no room in cap for anyone after Toffoli and Pearson deal's so we are not going to trade for Trouba.

http://www.generalfanager.com/teams/los-angeles-kings

There will be, providing one or two of the following things happen....

1) We 'lose' Brown in the expansion draft (and by 'lose', you know it's a 'win'!)

2) After this season, we trade Martinez at the 2017 draft for picks.....


That's $10 million in cap space right there. Then there's Lewis ($2 million), Clifford ($1.6 million), King ($1.95 million), McNabb ($1.7 million), etc. It just comes down to timing and being creative with what we've got.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Honestly I think Browns deal is worse than Phaneuf I would rather have Dion.

 

[Omni Owl]

Honestly I think Browns deal is worse than Phaneuf I would rather have Dion.

Me too, at least he's a D man that could potentially be slotted in on the 2nd pair.

I had a dream last night that Sutter benched Brown.

 

[KingsFan7824]

There will be, providing one or two of the following things happen....

1) We 'lose' Brown in the expansion draft (and by 'lose', you know it's a 'win'!)

2) After this season, we trade Martinez at the 2017 draft for picks.....


That's $10 million in cap space right there. Then there's Lewis ($2 million), Clifford ($1.6 million), King ($1.95 million), McNabb ($1.7 million), etc. It just comes down to timing and being creative with what we've got.

Obviously #1 is just you joking around, because it's not happening. Martinez for picks, and getting Trouba for...? Probably Muzzin, because the Kings don't have that much else to trade.

Doughty, the Kings could find a market. Kopitar, huge contract, but they could probably find a market. Neither guy is going anywhere yet though. Quick, nobody needs a $6m goalie, in his early 30's, and signed for a while. Brown and Gaborik, untradeable. Martinez, could be dealt, but isn't going to be worth all that much. Down to Muzzin, Toffoli, maybe Pearson, whatever good prospects the Kings have, and draft picks as assets worth anything in a trade, but with little cap space to add to the team. In terms of bringing in Trouba level potential.

 

[USE Fi]

King/Prucell/Gilbert/Greene don't need to be here next year, being replaced by cheaper options.

Scuderi will be off the books, 200k or so.

The cap will probably go up anyways.

There's plenty of space to trade for Trouba. Especially since a top 4D will be going back in the trade.

They will not be back, maybe Greene but did you look at that link and it's not what you want but what will Lombardi want to do.
Whey want LD about same age and we dont have it.

 

[Trolfoli]

They will not be back, maybe Greene but did you look at that link and it's not what you want but what will Lombardi want to do.
Whey want LD about same age and we dont have it.

They want a D the same age, and they're not getting it. No one is trading a left hand version of Trouba, because teams don't trade players like that unless they're forced to. From there WPG is looking at getting a decent top4 replacement and a high end prospect like Chychrun or getting a good top4D not in the same age range.

As far as the cap goes, the cost of Trouba would at minimum have Muzzin or Martinez going back. So you're looking at a +2M differential on the cap. That can easily be made up a number of different ways.

It is about what Lombardi wants, but what is the solution on the second pair RHD? Martinez is a fine stopgap.

LaDue? How far out is he and how long until he's playing like a top 4D? After LaDue is there anyone else on the team to fill that position?

UFA's next year, there's Burns. Personally I don't think that realistic.

At this point Liljegren is about as realistic a solution as the others.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=224910

I'm not seeing a good solution for that RHD spot.

Now on the left hand side the Kings have Muzzin/Martinez/McNabb/Forbort/Gravel. It makes sense to trade someone from the left to bring in someone on the right. The team is better off sorting that out. Also grabbing someone Trouba's age helps the team get younger. Since we now know it's going to be a year or 2, at least, before they're back fighting for another cup.

 

[USE Fi]

They want a D the same age, and they're not getting it. No one is trading a left hand version of Trouba, because teams don't trade players like that unless they're forced to. From there WPG is looking at getting a decent top4 replacement and a high end prospect like Chychrun or getting a good top4D not in the same age range.

As far as the cap goes, the cost of Trouba would at minimum have Muzzin or Martinez going back. So you're looking at a +2M differential on the cap. That can easily be made up a number of different ways.

It is about what Lombardi wants, but what is the solution on the second pair RHD? Martinez is a fine stopgap.

LaDue? How far out is he and how long until he's playing like a top 4D? After LaDue is there anyone else on the team to fill that position?

UFA's next year, there's Burns. Personally I don't think that realistic.

At this point Liljegren is about as realistic a solution as the others.
http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=224910

I'm not seeing a good solution for that RHD spot.

Now on the left hand side the Kings have Muzzin/Martinez/McNabb/Forbort/Gravel. It makes sense to trade someone from the left to bring in someone on the right. The team is better off sorting that out. Also grabbing someone Trouba's age helps the team get younger. Since we now know it's going to be a year or 2, at least, before they're back fighting for another cup.

Muzzin for Trouba, he can't be #1 RD or even #2 RD for them and you think we would consider trading Muzzin. Martinez they don't want i just dont see us as a good partner, we dont have cap and what they want.

 

[Basilisk]

For me, this is the MOST I would give up for Trouba, and everybody here would HATE it.....

To Jets:

McNabb
Clifford
Lewis
Lintuniemi
Amadio <--- These two italicized items I did not mention on the main board.....
1st round pick (2018)



To Kings:

Trouba
Lowry
Pavelec (50%) retained AND he goes straight to the minors.....



I don't think the Jets do that deal without Amadio & a 1st. So, unless Dean can do a Jedi mind trick, it's not gunna happen.....


THEN....


Send Vegas 3-4 picks over the next couple of drafts to take Brown at the expansion draft....

Trade Martinez @ the 2017 draft for picks....


Incidentally, is the expansion draft BEFORE or AFTER the regular draft? The timing of this is crucial!








Oh, BTW, we'd look like this for the playoffs (assuming everybody's healed!)...


Brown / Kopitar / Gaborik
Pearson / Carter / Toffoli
Mersch / Dowd / Purcell
King / Shore / Nolan

Andreoff, Kempe, Seto


Forbort / Doughty
Muzzin / Trouba
Martinez / Greene or Gilbert

Gravel, LaDue


Quick
Pavelec



Of course, the painful part is losing Amadio. However, our Cup Window is NOW, and there's no guarantee it'll be open when Amadio is ready for the NHL....

 

[kings11]

Doesn't matter what the line combinations are now. This season has all the makings of a disaster. Team full of grinders and no depth loses two major pieces to extended injury. If you wanted to write a script for a disaster movie of a hockey team, this is it. Good chance this team doesn't even make the playoffs.

All I'm looking forward to at this point:
1. Pearson-Kopitar-Toffoli line tear some s*** up for a couple of weeks.
2. I'm curious if either Brown and Gaborik can put up 35 points this season. Maybe next to Jeff Carter they do.
3. Dowd. Maybe a cup of coffee for Kempe, Amadio, or Ladue. I always like seeing the first few games of a prospect.
4. Trade deadline.

1. I think Sutter's blender is stuck on liquify so that line combo might not happen until Gabby returns
2. guessing 25-30 points for BD and sub 20 for Mr Groin...
3. Yes, i want to see the kids play this season, Amadio, Kempe, Gravel, Mersch, Dowd..
4. Trade Deadline...Clifford, King, Nolan, Shore, Greene all gone but odds are if we are on the bottom end someone the likes of Carter or Amart could be dangled for prospects and cap space....

 

[Trolfoli]

Muzzin for Trouba, he can't be #1 RD or even #2 RD for them and you think we would consider trading Muzzin. Martinez they don't want i just dont see us as a good partner, we dont have cap and what they want.

No one has what they want. That's the point.
Detroit: You're looking at Dekyser: 26, LHD
Florida: Yandle 30, NMC
AZ: Chychurn is about the only option, so they'd be trading for a forward and a prospect.
Boston: Krug 25, not a good fit style wise for WPG and Boston probably doesn't do it.
Toronto: Gardiner 26, WPG probably not happy with return, and Trouba may not want to play in Canada.
LA: Muzzin @ 27 is not far off what the other teams can offer.

Who else is rumored to be looking at Trouba?

Trouba is 22 right now. He'd fit in perfectly behind Doughty.
Gravel/Doughty
Martinez/Trouba
McNabb/LaDue

or
Muzzin/Doughty
McNabb/Martinez
Gravel/LaDue

That's what we're looking at in a year two. Which one do you think is better? The second pair is more important because Doughty can probably carry Brown on the first pair and be fine.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

McNabb
Clifford
Lewis
Lintuniemi
Amadio <--- These two italicized items I did not mention on the main board.....
1st round pick (2018)

wow!!

that's cheap!

you're telling me that i can get rid of THREE buffoons and all it'll cost me is Amadio + Lintuniemi and a 1st??

plus i get some kind of a player named Trouba back!?

where do i signnnnnnnnnn!

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

No one has what they want. That's the point.
Detroit: You're looking at Dekyser: 26, LHD
Florida: Yandle 30, NMC
AZ: Chychurn is about the only option, so they'd be trading for a forward and a prospect.
Boston: Krug 25, not a good fit style wise for WPG and Boston probably doesn't do it.
Toronto: Gardiner 26, WPG probably not happy with return, and Trouba may not want to play in Canada.
LA: Muzzin @ 27 is not far off what the other teams can offer.

Who else is rumored to be looking at Trouba?

Trouba is 22 right now. He'd fit in perfectly behind Doughty.
Gravel/Doughty
Martinez/Trouba
McNabb/LaDue

or
Muzzin/Doughty
McNabb/Martinez
Gravel/LaDue

That's what we're looking at in a year two. Which one do you think is better? The second pair is more important because Doughty can probably carry Brown on the first pair and be fine.

Why can't your 2nd option be the same as the 1st except Muzzin in for Trouba?

Gravel-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
McNabb-Ladue

Same thing except Martinez is on his off-side which he was fine with last season (struggling in the 2 games this season though although that's probably cause he's with McNabb). Again it comes down to Muzzin or Trouba and I'd rather have Muzzin at $4 million over Trouba at $5-6 million.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

For me, this is the MOST I would give up for Trouba, and everybody here would HATE it.....

(...)

Of course, the painful part is losing Amadio. However, our Cup Window is NOW, and there's no guarantee it'll be open when Amadio is ready for the NHL....

sorry Basilisk there's so many jokes in this paragraph i don't mean to pick at you
but the highlighted part

is hilllarrriouuuuSSSSsssssSSsss!

 

[kings11]

For me, this is the MOST I would give up for Trouba, and everybody here would HATE it.....

To Jets:

McNabb
Clifford
Lewis
Lintuniemi
Amadio <--- These two italicized items I did not mention on the main board.....
1st round pick (2018)



To Kings:

Trouba
Lowry
Pavelec (50%) retained AND he goes straight to the minors.....



I don't think the Jets do that deal without Amadio & a 1st. So, unless Dean can do a Jedi mind trick, it's not gunna happen.....


THEN....


Send Vegas 3-4 picks over the next couple of drafts to take Brown at the expansion draft....

Trade Martinez @ the 2017 draft for picks....


Incidentally, is the expansion draft BEFORE or AFTER the regular draft? The timing of this is crucial!








Oh, BTW, we'd look like this for the playoffs (assuming everybody's healed!)...


Brown / Kopitar / Gaborik
Pearson / Carter / Toffoli
Mersch / Dowd / Purcell
King / Shore / Nolan

Andreoff, Kempe, Seto


Forbort / Doughty
Muzzin / Trouba
Martinez / Greene or Gilbert

Gravel, LaDue


Quick
Pavelec



Of course, the painful part is losing Amadio. However, our Cup Window is NOW, and there's no guarantee it'll be open when Amadio is ready for the NHL....

That package doesn't get us a Dodger dog let alone Trouba, so yes we will continue with what we have for the foreseeable future. Of course some will whine like they always do while other will be forever optimistic ... Over reliance on a seniority/loyalty system is whats hurting us right now, King, Nolan, Greene etc shouldn't be sniffing PT! heck they've out lived their usefulness on this current team... We need a NFL like approach where we have to accept the the average effectiveness of a player in our system is 4-6 for role players that are pounding away at their bodies.... kids like Forbort, Gravel, Amadio, Mersch and Kempe are the reinforcements this team sorely needs not a band aid trade that will further deplete this team of needed resources...yes i used band aid because we have minimal cap space for the next couple years..

 

[Reclamation Project]

For me, this is the MOST I would give up for Trouba, and everybody here would HATE it.....

To Jets:

McNabb
Clifford
Lewis
Lintuniemi
Amadio <--- These two italicized items I did not mention on the main board.....
1st round pick (2018)



To Kings:

Trouba
Lowry
Pavelec (50%) retained AND he goes straight to the minors.....



I don't think the Jets do that deal without Amadio & a 1st. So, unless Dean can do a Jedi mind trick, it's not gunna happen.....


THEN....


Send Vegas 3-4 picks over the next couple of drafts to take Brown at the expansion draft....

Trade Martinez @ the 2017 draft for picks....

I think GM Chevy would do it if you threw in Brown, Scuderi, Greene, and ADT.

Based on that scenario, I'll trade you -

Honda Civic that doesn't run
Ford Fiesta that runs, but breaks down half the time
Original Toyota Prius
Tesla Model 3
Ford Focus RS
A random unknown car to be released in 2018.

In exchange for a 991 GT3 RS.

Quantity ≠ quality. If I send you a ton of trash, you won't send me back something worthwhile. And that's exactly what that package mostly is - trash.

McNabb, Clifford, and Lewis get you a game used stick.

Trading picks to get rid of Brown is worse than buying him out. The Kings winger depth right now is absolutely deplorable. Outside of Toffoli, this team doesn't have one winger worth a damn. The last thing the Kings should be doing is trading draft picks, let alone the ones that would make trading Brown possible.

 

[Basilisk]

sorry Basilisk there's so many jokes in this paragraph i don't mean to pick at you
but the highlighted part

is hilllarrriouuuuSSSSsssssSSsss!

Do you not believe our Cup Window is now?

 

[Basilisk]

I think GM Chevy would do it if you threw in Brown, Scuderi, Greene, and ADT.

Based on that scenario, I'll trade you -

Honda Civic that doesn't run
Ford Fiesta that runs, but breaks down half the time
Original Toyota Prius
Tesla Model 3
Ford Focus RS
A random unknown car to be released in 2018.

In exchange for a 991 GT3 RS.

Quantity ≠ quality. If I send you a ton of trash, you won't send me back something worthwhile. And that's exactly what that package mostly is - trash.

McNabb, Clifford, and Lewis get you a game used stick.

Trading picks to get rid of Brown is worse than buying him out. The Kings winger depth right now is absolutely deplorable. Outside of Toffoli, this team doesn't have one winger worth a damn. The last thing the Kings should be doing is trading draft picks, let alone the ones that would make trading Brown possible.

It's very easy to criticize. Do you know what's not easy? Coming up with solutions. So, go ahead and post your own solutions. Unless you're chicken!

 

[Trolfoli]

Why can't your 2nd option be the same as the 1st except Muzzin in for Trouba?

Gravel-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
McNabb-Ladue

Same thing except Martinez is on his off-side which he was fine with last season (struggling in the 2 games this season though although that's probably cause he's with McNabb). Again it comes down to Muzzin or Trouba and I'd rather have Muzzin at $4 million over Trouba at $5-6 million.

I'm really not a fan of Martinez playing his offside. He's the one on the line being expected to move the puck up the ice and he's doing it on his backhand. Martinez is a suitable Top 4D, he is not dominant. Asking him to play his offside is probably asking too much.

Trouba is also 22. It fixes the right side and is a play for the future. Kings don't look like they'll be doing anything in the next year/two.

 

[Reclamation Project]

It's very easy to criticize. Do you know what's not easy? Coming up with solutions. So, go ahead and post your own solutions. Unless you're chicken!

I gave you my solution - add Brown, Scuderi, Greene, and ADT. Also, throw in Andreoff and Nolan while we're at it.