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Ziggy Stardust said:
Here's the big problem: the Kings need someone to fit in the top 4 without removing any of the established top 3 dmen, otherwise they'll still have a hole to fill.

They're forcing McNabb to play top 4 minutes when he isn't good enough to fill that role. He's not smart enough, not skilled enough, and doesn't have the skating ability to be used in such a role, but the situation the team is in has forced them to use him as such.

Take Martinez away and McNabb's responsibilities will increase. That wouldn't be a very logical move.
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At this point they'll always be chasing this ghost. Too many big contracts, with Toffoli and Pearson still to come. They could probably use 2 young guys with cheap contracts to be in the top 4.
 
Kings have 3 D that most teams would die for....Doughty, Muzzin and Martinez. If we would have Voynov we would be set for years. McNabb was given the chance to take that spot but is showing he is more of a #5. Forbort and Greene are #6 guys so the question is who can step up and take that #4 role in the next season? Gilbert is the patch for now it's in Ladue or Gravel's lap to take that spot.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings have 3 D that most teams would die for....Doughty, Muzzin and Martinez. If we would have Voynov we would be set for years. McNabb was given the chance to take that spot but is showing he is more of a #5. Forbort and Greene are #6 guys so the question is who can step up and take that #4 role in the next season? Gilbert is the patch for now it's in Ladue or Gravel's lap to take that spot.
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I wouldn't count Forbort out yet. Forbort might be #5 to start the year, and if McNabb falters, he could end up switching around with McNabb. If Forbort falters, I think we see a Gravel call up and Forbort might then be exposed to waivers midseason. LaDue is exciting, but it is a very small pro sample. Also, just because it's the AHL, it doesn't mean it can be any easier for a D to play in. The game might not be as fast as the NHL, but it can be sloppier, which means sometimes it's hard getting out of the zone due to your teammates. I do believe that if Gravel could not be sent down without having to clear waivers, that he might very well indeed get that shot prior to Forbort. And if we keep 8 D, they both might be auditioning for the next couple months.

I see this:

McNabb Doughty
Muzzin Martinez
Forbort Gilbert
Greene
 
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efhank said:
I wouldn't count Forbort out yet. Forbort might be #5 to start the year, and if McNabb falters, he could end up switching around with McNabb. If Forbort falters, I think we see a Gravel call up and Forbort might then be exposed to waivers midseason. LaDue is exciting, but it is a very small pro sample. Also, just because it's the AHL, it doesn't mean it can be any easier for a D to play in. The game might not be as fast as the NHL, but it can be sloppier, which means sometimes it's hard getting out of the zone due to your teammates. I do believe that if Gravel could not be sent down without having to clear waivers, that he might very well indeed get that shot prior to Forbort. And if we keep 8 D, they both might be auditioning for the next couple months.

I see this:

McNabb Doughty
Muzzin Martinez
Forbort Gilbert
Greene
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Those are most likely the D pairings we'll see in the beginning of the year. I could see LaDue and Gravel being paired together down in Ontario for awhile until its time for a call up. I'm really hoping McNabb gets pushed down out of the top 4...
 
To no surprise, Zach Trotman clears waivers.

Some tough decisions for Ontario as they have a number of dmen in camp. My guess is that Cernak goes back to Erie, not sure if Sharipzianov goes back as an overager, but he could.

Leslie may be used in the Kevin Raine role or could be sent to Manchester, where he played last season until injuries forced him to be called up by Ontario.

Scuderi, MacDermid, Gravel and LaDue still remain, and it's likely that 2-3 of those names will be reassigned to Ontario after this weekend.
 
efhank said:
I see this:

McNabb Doughty
Muzzin Martinez
Forbort Gilbert
Greene
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I'm wondering if maybe we're wrong when we pencil McNabb in as Doughty's D partner? Would either Gravel or Forbort be better up there?
 
Basilisk said:
I'm wondering if maybe we're wrong when we pencil McNabb in as Doughty's D partner? Would either Gravel or Forbort be better up there?
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I think more stock should be put into how sutter said that he planed camp around playing muzzin and doughty as a pair again to start the year.

muzzin - doughty

mcnabb - gilbert

martinez - greene

forbort

or

muzzin - doughty

forbort - martinez

mcnabb - gilbert

greene
 
I don't see how Scuderi makes this team. The ultimate would be to trade McNabb and King for Trouba. Would then have 4 legit top 4. Know it may not be enough, but an offer to start talks. Or Forbert / King? King has 2 rings and scored 15 goals 2 seasons ago. 15 goals on the Kings = 1.5 more elsewhere. 15 x 1.5 = 22 goals. Decent 2 way and puck possession.
So good to finally see real quality on the D depth: LaDue, Gravel, Forbort and MacDermid. That's not counting Cernak, Leslie, Clague, Moverare, Lintuniemi (whom the mayor says the Kings are pleased with his turnarond) And Sharipzianov.
 
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Perfect scenario is Scuderi going to the minors at a very minimal cap hit while it still hits Chicago's cap. Pittsburgh's too but I don't care about them.
 
Thought: now looking back on the decisions both Gravel and LaDue made to stay another year in college, when the Kings offered them deals to sign; if they had both signed then, I bet that year in the AHL would have positioned their growth to make the team this year. Gravel would have had 2 pro seasons and LaDue one. Really believe the 80 game schedule abs training regimen would have been the better path and they would both be ready now. a year better developed in the AHL than college. And yes, they were both ready for AHL.
 
mattgkg said:
I think more stock should be put into how sutter said that he planed camp around playing muzzin and doughty as a pair again to start the year.

muzzin - doughty

mcnabb - gilbert

martinez - greene

forbort

or

muzzin - doughty

forbort - martinez

mcnabb - gilbert

greene
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I see what you're getting at, and I think it's a possibility also. Then, the next thing is whether Forbort, or even Gravel (although he starts in Ontario), play well enough to pass McNabb, especially if McNabb starts to falter. On the right side, the question is whether Gilbert or Greene falter, and whether LaDue plays well enough in Ontario to get the call up. So, I do think it's all very fluid, but in order to try all of this, I believe they won't expose any player to waivers. Thus, we start with Forbort, Gilbert, and Greene first. To me, it's really not tryouts, etc. Camp is too short to base the whole decision on. If the coach was told you have to pick your team based on tryouts, and you'd never see the rest of the year the players cut, well then the selection might be completely different.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
Thought: now looking back on the decisions both Gravel and LaDue made to stay another year in college, when the Kings offered them deals to sign; if they had both signed then, I bet that year in the AHL would have positioned their growth to make the team this year. Gravel would have had 2 pro seasons and LaDue one. Really believe the 80 game schedule abs training regimen would have been the better path and they would both be ready now. a year better developed in the AHL than college. And yes, they were both ready for AHL.
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If that had happened for both, Gravel right now would have to clear waivers. Ladue would have had a two year ELC instead of a one year, and he would not have to clear waivers right now.
 
efhank said:
If that had happened for both, Gravel right now would have to clear waivers. Ladue would have had a two year ELC instead of a one year, and he would not have to clear waivers right now.
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True, but if they had that year in the AHL , than in college, the Kings wouldn't have felt the need to sign both Trotman and Gilbert. It's crazy that all 3 of Forbort, Gravel and LaDue are better than McNabb, yet only one will make this team and McNabb will probably play alongside Doughty.
 
Now that Pearson will be out the first 2 games, means Mersch makes the team. If they sign Setoguchi, that's not a lock for Mersch tho
 
Waiting for the Seto contract to be announced after the Pearson suspension. I think he has impressed the Kings anyways, injuries and suspensions are making it a near certainty

The contract won't be that big anyways, so its not like he can't be waived/sent down if the wheels fall off.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
I don't see how Scuderi makes this team. The ultimate would be to trade McNabb and King for Trouba. Would then have 4 legit top 4. Know it may not be enough, but an offer to start talks. Or Forbert / King? King has 2 rings and scored 15 goals 2 seasons ago. 15 goals on the Kings = 1.5 more elsewhere. 15 x 1.5 = 22 goals. Decent 2 way and puck possession.
So good to finally see real quality on the D depth: LaDue, Gravel, Forbort and MacDermid. That's not counting Cernak, Leslie, Clague, Moverare, Lintuniemi (whom the mayor says the Kings are pleased with his turnarond) And Sharipzianov.
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You have to start any thought of Trouba with at the very least Martinez, then add, but you could probably just skip that and go straight to Muzzin. King/McNabb/Forbort isn't the start of anything for a guy that other teams want. Those guys are in the + area of any deals, and King is a lower scale UFA, so he's not going to be worth much anyway.
 
I havent seen any of camp or the preseason games but it seems like it will come down to keeping one of Mersch/Seto/Latta/Nolan on the roster. if they put Shore on IR then two of them will stay untill he comes off.

Not sure how the lines work out but this is pretty much how I see the opening night roster:

brown kopitar purcell
mersch/Seto carter toff
king dowd lewis
clifford AA Latta/nolan
pearson (susp) Gab (LTIR) Shore (IR)
 
setoguchi is a natural right wing that doesn't and hasn't ever played on the left side successfully. start by moving purcell and lewis over to the left.

king - kopitar - brown

purcell - carter - toffoli

lewis - dowd - setoguchi

clifford/andreoff/latta/nolan/mersch

(injured shore)
 
mattgkg said:
setoguchi is a natural right wing that doesn't and hasn't ever played on the left side successfully. start by moving purcell and lewis over to the left.
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Maybe just switch seto and purcell I think Lewis is more effective on the right side

Just say no to any idea of king on top line Kopitar already has brown weighting him down he doesn t need king there as well
 
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