2016-2017 Kings Roster Talk Part IV

[KingCanadain1976]

Pearson was injured for an entire season basically, after he can back healthy he rarely left the top six, and is a permanent fixture there now.

Salva never left Mitchell's side once he was brought up after Jack was traded.

Again a myth you are creating out of thin air.

Pearson is getting top 6 mins this year. Go look at how many times King played more mins then Pearson I will bet Person has more games with less mins then king. Sutter makes a player earn his ice time and leans on players like king and lewis he trusts

Yes after he was trade but he played before jack was traded and he went up and down to the ahl like he should have. The trade only took place because Slava proved he could handle it If he didn't go up and down and improved in each showing I doubt the kings make that trade.

Again go look at his handling of loktinov weal mersch and seeing the crap ice time they got Your not going to show a lot in 10 mins of hockey with clifford faser richardson lewis etc This is not a myth its fact Any top six player needs top 6 mins to show what they can do period.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Toffli and Pearson have played the most minutes with Carter/Kopitar(as their Centers).

That is not what im saying but nice twist on it. Ill give you a A for it. Read what i said again Person got less mins then King to me that puts him as a 3rd lw To me it goes with actual mins played not who you play with. Sutter blenders the lines shift to shift some games. So again Sutter use of younger players don't get as many mins as they should imo thats the problem i have not that they don't play

 

[damacles1156]

That is not what im saying but nice twist on it. Ill give you a A for it. Read what i said again Person got less mins then King to me that puts him as a 3rd lw To me it goes with actual mins played not who you play with. Sutter blenders the lines shift to shift some games. So again Sutter use of younger players don't get as many mins as they should imo thats the problem i have not that they don't play

How can you be a third line player when 60+% of your shifts are with Carter/Kopitar ?

Is Kopitar/Carter been the third line Centers for the past four seasons ?

Again you have to go back to 12-13,13-14 to see Toffoli/Pearson even log 17% of their shifts with a bottom six Center, that was Jarret Stoll.

 

[damacles1156]

Pearson is getting top 6 mins this year. Go look at how many times King played more mins then Pearson I will bet Person has more games with less mins then king. Sutter makes a player earn his ice time and leans on players like king and lewis he trusts

Yes after he was trade but he played before jack was traded and he went up and down to the ahl like he should have. The trade only took place because Slava proved he could handle it If he didn't go up and down and improved in each showing I doubt the kings make that trade.

Again go look at his handling of loktinov weal mersch and seeing the crap ice time they got Your not going to show a lot in 10 mins of hockey with clifford faser richardson lewis etc This is not a myth its fact Any top six player needs top 6 mins to show what they can do period.

Slava Voynov never set foot on NHL ice till 2011-12, after Jack was traded.

Sutter put him with Mitchell, the rest is history.

Slava only went down in 2012-13 due to a lockout season.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

How can you be a third line player when 60+% of your shifts are with Carter/Kopitar ?

Is Kopitar/Carter been the third line Centers for the past four seasons ?

Again you have to go back to 12-13 to see Toffoli/Pearson even log 17% of their shifts with a bottom six Center, that was Jarret Stoll.

by others playing with them on more shifts then you get. By that same theory how can you call king a 3rd line player when he get 15 mins+

Time on ice to me dictates what you are to me not who your playing with I hope that helps you realized where i am coming from It seems to be a issue with us talking hockey.

 

[damacles1156]

by others playing with them on more shifts then you get. By that same theory how can you call king a 3rd line player when he get 15 mins+

Time on ice to me dictates what you are to me not who your playing with I hope that helps you realized where i am coming from It seems to be a issue with us talking hockey.

So if a forth line player logs 13-15 mins in a game due to him being a Specialty guy (PK/PP) ..

Guy is no longer a 4th line guy to you ?

Lets say Clifford, PK's/PP''s but is playing on the 4th line, but logs 15 minutes due to PK/PP.

What is he ?

 

[damacles1156]

You do Realize that Dwight King logged heavy minutes due to him being a PK player right ?

If King had not been a PK guy, he would have averaged about 12-14 minutes a night as a King(for his career).

Maybe even less.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

So if a forth line player logs 15-18 mins in a game due to him being a Specialty guy (PK/PP) ..

Guy is no longer a 4th line guy to you ?

Lets say Clifford, PK's/PP''s but is playing on the 4th line, but logs 15 minutes due to PK/PP.

What is he ?

lol ok that one game no he wasn't He played 2 line. There are times where players move up a game If a lw gets injured and doesn't return clifford time goes up then yes for that game he was a 3rd lw. If it happens one or 2 games fine but with king it was more games then not He was either higher then Lucic or Pearson

Now lets get back to the real disagreement The drafting is fine for what picks we have had. We have added players and that is the job of the scouts. Its not the problem with the kings Its the price of chasing cups . So please back off the drafting has sucked horse.

 

[damacles1156]

lol ok that one game no he wasn't He played 2 line. There are times where players move up a game If a lw gets injured and doesn't return clifford time goes up then yes for that game he was a 3rd lw. If it happens one or 2 games fine but with king it was more games then not He was either higher then Lucic or Pearson

Now lets get back to the real disagreement The drafting is fine for what picks we have had. We have added players and that is the job of the scouts. Its not the problem with the kings Its the price of chasing cups . So please back off the drafting has sucked horse.

So you didn't answer my question, ok.

I'll chalk it up as, you didn't understand what I am asking.

 

[damacles1156]

It's the same Gabage as:

"Trevor Lewis is always in the top six, Sutter plays him there all the time"

Then someone like me, or Racoon posts actually proof that:

Trevor Lewis has logged a total of less than 10% of HIS ENTIRE CAREER in the top six.

"Wait what" ? Nah Sutter plays him there all the time !

 

[KingCanadain1976]

So you didn't answer my question, ok.

I'll chalk it up as, you didn't understand what I am asking.

chalk it up to you trying to twist what i'm saying with all your edits Your great at that. Here you go simple for you A player on the kings can play 1st line mins one night forth line the next I got by what you play the most and in order of it on the team King played more mins on average then Pearson William and brown also played more then toffoli first couple years. To me that shows what a person is not who he plays with the most.

Speaking of not answering stuff your ignoring my post on lotinov weal and mersch useage of them by sutter goes a long way to my saying he does use young players right but your good at ignoring stuff i post as well

 

[KingsFan7824]

by others playing with them on more shifts then you get. By that same theory how can you call king a 3rd line player when he get 15 mins+

Time on ice to me dictates what you are to me not who your playing with I hope that helps you realized where i am coming from It seems to be a issue with us talking hockey.

Hartman and Schmaltz have averaged 12:11 and 12:10 at ES for Chicago, but they've been there all year. Kempe is at 10:54 at ES, and he came in as the season was in full swing. That's basically 2 extra shifts per game at ES that the great Quenneville is allowing a couple young forward play on average. Hartman has :28 on the PP, and :05 on the PK. Schmaltz has :58 on the PP, and :01 on the PK. Kempe is at :42 on the PP, and :37 on the PK.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

It's the same Gabage as:

"Trevor Lewis is always in the top six, Sutter plays him there all the time"

Then someone like me, or Racoon posts actually proof that:

Trevor Lewis has logged a total of less than 10% of HIS ENTIRE CAREER in the top six.

"Wait what" ? Nah Sutter plays him there all the time !

Show me one post i ever said lewis is a regular in the top 6 Ill wait Stop making stuff up

 

[damacles1156]

chalk it up to you trying to twist what i'm saying with all your edits Your great at that. Here you go simple for you A player on the kings can play 1st line mins one night forth line the next I got by what you play the most and in order of it on the team King played more mins on average then Pearson William and brown also played more then toffoli first couple years. To me that shows what a person is not who he plays with the most.

Speaking of not answering stuff your ignoring my post on lotinov weal and mersch useage of them by sutter goes a long way to my saying he does use young players right but your good at ignoring stuff i post as well

None of those players are on the team. Sutter isn't the guy that traded two of them.

That would be Lombardi.

Mersch is in the AHL.

But here:

28.5% Michael Mersch/Jeff Carter/Tyler Toffli
32% Mersch/Shore/Brown

Top two line combo's on his shift chart, when he was in the NHL

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Hartman and Schmaltz have averaged 12:11 and 12:10 at ES for Chicago, but they've been there all year. Kempe is at 10:54 at ES, and he came in as the season was in full swing. That's basically 2 extra shifts per game at ES that the great Quenneville is allowing a couple young forward play on average. Hartman has :28 on the PP, and :05 on the PK. Schmaltz has :58 on the PP, and :01 on the PK. Kempe is at :42 on the PP, and :37 on the PK.

Still not the mins i want to see out of him Hes is playing 3rd line mins If hes going to be a top 6 player he needs to play top 6 mins. I am happy that hes getting pp and pk time its unusual for sutter to let him on those Lets not forget sutter has been wanting him on the team I don't recall ever hearing that sutter wanted a particular rookie on the team before kempe

 

[damacles1156]

Show me one post i ever said lewis is a regular in the top 6 Ill wait Stop making stuff up

That wasn't directed at you, hence I didn't quote anything from you.

 

[damacles1156]

Hartman and Schmaltz have averaged 12:11 and 12:10 at ES for Chicago, but they've been there all year. Kempe is at 10:54 at ES, and he came in as the season was in full swing. That's basically 2 extra shifts per game at ES that the great Quenneville is allowing a couple young forward play on average. Hartman has :28 on the PP, and :05 on the PK. Schmaltz has :58 on the PP, and :01 on the PK. Kempe is at :42 on the PP, and :37 on the PK.

Like I said,

The whole Sutter hates youth thing, is a complete myth.

That people need to stop parroting.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

None of those players are on the team. Sutter isn't the guy that traded two of them.

That would be Lombardi.

Mersch is in the AHL.

But here:

28.5% Michael Mersch/Jeff Carter/Tyler Toffli
32% Mersch/Shore/Brown

Top two line combo's on his shift chart, when he was in the NHL

how about the mins which is my point You tell me how playing him 10 mins a game is good for his development and i havn't looked but i don't recall him getting any pp time which is where he shines

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Like I said,

The whole Sutter hates youth thing, is a complete myth.

That people need to stop parroting.

show me where i said hate youth He plays them just not the mins i think he should again not reading what i m saying but continue your rants

 

[KingCanadain1976]

That wasn't directed at you, hence I didn't quote anything from you.

It goes to my rant on king which i am well known for your taking shots at the fact i think sutter plays them to many mins Its a sly shot since i'm arguing about top six mins and player playing out of there normal slots. Its totally ment for me but if i am wrong i will say i am sorry

 

[damacles1156]

how about the mins which is my point You tell me how playing him 10 mins a game is good for his development and i havn't looked but i don't recall him getting any pp time which is where he shines

Lets see:

Played 17 games:

Three of the of those games he averaged over 1:00 in PP time on average (for 17 games) :30 seconds of PP time.

He also PKed a little 7% of the time.

Avg ES time was 9:00 mins.

Looks Like Sutter tried him a little at ES/PK/PP time.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Lets see:

Played 17 games:

Three of the of those games he averaged over 1:00 in PP time on average (for 17 games) :30 seconds of PP time.

He also PKed a little 7% of the time.

Avg ES time was 9:00 mins.

Looks Like Sutter tried him a little at ES/PK/PP time.

hmm 9 whole mins a game that's about what clifford gets Real good use of a top 6 ahl scorer Anyways back to the original argument about the scouting please. We are never going to agree on sutter s use of king prospects So agree to disagree?

 

[damacles1156]

hmm 9 whole mins a game that's about what clifford gets Real good use of a top 6 ahl scorer Anyways back to the original argument about the scouting please. We are never going to agree on sutter s use of king prospects So agree to disagree?

9 mins played with good players.

Let me ask you this:

Would you rather Mersch get his 9 mins with Andy/CLifford, or Carter/Toffoli ?

Sutter used him with:

Shore/Brown
Carter/Toffoli

I say good on Sutter, put Mersch into a position to succeed.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Still not the mins i want to see out of him Hes is playing 3rd line mins If hes going to be a top 6 player he needs to play top 6 mins. I am happy that hes getting pp and pk time its unusual for sutter to let him on those Lets not forget sutter has been wanting him on the team I don't recall ever hearing that sutter wanted a particular rookie on the team before kempe

I'm just saying even the team that we're always comparing the Kings to doesn't throw rookies into huge minutes right off the bat. Look at Hartman early in the season. He wasn't playing a ton. As the season has gone on, he's gotten more time. Kempe has played 21 games at the end of the year. Hartman is 7th on the Hawks in average ice time at ES for forwards, which would make him a 3rd line guy if we're staying with the strict definition of top 6 forward.

Every fan of every team wants the young guys to play more. Most coaches though, if they have other options, and we're not talking the no doubt McDavid/Matthews/Laine level of draft pick, won't play the young guys as much as fans want them to. Bring in another coach, and I will bet he does the same thing on average.

It's how it goes. Same with roster spots. If teams have 13 or 14 NHL contracts up front, guess who will be on the team? The guys with the more expensive contracts. Unless you're Toronto, which sent a bunch of bigger contracts to the AHL, and had three top 10 picks play instead, including a guy that will probably be one of the top 3 or 5 players in the league for the next decade+. Kempe and Brodzinski aren't that. If they were taken 5th overall, and were playing on the 3rd or 4th line, ok, Sutter needs to play them more then.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

9 mins played with good players.

Let me ask you this:

Would you rather Mersch get his 9 mins with Andy/CLifford, or Carter/Toffoli ?

Sutter used him with:

Shore/Brown
Carter/Toffoli

I say good on Sutter, put Mersch into a position to succeed.

I disagree 9 mins is not enough time to gel with anyone Lmao Shore is the most offensively challenge center we have and brown was/is not the same player last year probably brown worse nhl year