2016-17 roster

[garret9]

It seems a bit of a semantic argument to say Thor was more of a 3rd liner. He didn't spend as much time on the ice as any of the "3rd liners" - not even close.

Fact is that Thor had 8:39 EV TOI per game. Maybe he started on 3rd line, but that is not 3rd line minutes. Even just looking at EV TOI, only Copp, Slater and Peluso had less ice-time. Halischuk averaged more TOI (EV). Third liners like Lowry and Burmi averaged 40% more EV TOI per game than Thor. That's a substantial difference any way you slice it.

It is but it doesn't matter.

Obviously he spent less time than the average 3rd line player. He wasn't always on the third line... He was on the 4th line still quite often which the average third line player does not. Jets also give the lowest amount of time to their fourth lines, so that skews the ATOI perspective.

Point is when Maurice chose someone to move from line 4 to line 3 the default was Thorburn. That's speaks to his opinion on the matter of the player's usefulness, and is very much evidence (but not proof) that could legitimately make some skeptical on Thorburn's usage in the future.

It's a reasonable argument that's all.

 

[Whileee]

It is but it doesn't matter.

Obviously he spent less time than the average 3rd line player. He wasn't always on the third line... He was on the 4th line still quite often which the average third line player does not. Jets also give the lowest amount of time to their fourth lines, so that skews the ATOI perspective.

Point is when Maurice chose someone to move from line 4 to line 3 the default was Thorburn. That's speaks to his opinion on the matter of the player's usefulness, and is very much evidence (but not proof) that could legitimately make some skeptical on Thorburn's usage in the future.

It's a reasonable argument that's all.

Completely agree. We should be worried that Maurice will continue to over-use Thorbs and Stuart. He has done it since he arrived. I just hope that the depth of forward talent will force him to rethink his approach with Thorbs.

I am more worried about how he will use Stuart. To me, that is a much more significant risk to the Jets success.

 

[CaptainChef]

It seems a bit of a semantic argument to say Thor was more of a 3rd liner. He didn't spend as much time on the ice as any of the "3rd liners" - not even close.

Fact is that Thor had 8:39 EV TOI per game. Maybe he started on 3rd line, but that is not 3rd line minutes. Even just looking at EV TOI, only Copp, Slater and Peluso had less ice-time. Halischuk averaged more TOI (EV). Third liners like Lowry and Burmi averaged 40% more EV TOI per game than Thor. That's a substantial difference any way you slice it.

So then, why do you have a guy like that around (AND IN THE LINEUP EVERY SINGLE FRICKEN GAME) if you can't even trust him in any situation. Can't trust him on the PK, can't trust him in the third, can't trust him to win a fight or even keep the opposition honest, ...... Nope, totally unimportant as his minutes reflect, yet he's out there taking the place of someone who could actually make a difference in our line-up.

I'll really believe that Mau has the balls, or whatever its going to take, to sit him out for half the games when I see it. He is constantly being inserted into the lineup and moved to the 3rd line in place of guys who deserve to be there.

The fact that his ice time is so minimal does little to alleviate the situation -- just means that your better players are taxed with more minutes & we all found out how that turned out when we finally made the playoffs with a dog-tired & beat-up team.

 

[Whileee]

So then, why do you have a guy like that around (AND IN THE LINEUP EVERY SINGLE FRICKEN GAME) if you can't even trust him in any situation. Can't trust him on the PK, can't trust him in the third, can't trust him to win a fight or even keep the opposition honest, ...... Nope, totally unimportant as his minutes reflect, yet he's out there taking the place of someone who could actually make a difference in our line-up.

I'll really believe that Mau has the balls, or whatever its going to take, to sit him out for half the games when I see it. He is constantly being inserted into the lineup and moved to the 3rd line in place of guys who deserve to be there.

The fact that his ice time is so minimal does little to alleviate the situation -- just means that your better players are taxed with more minutes & we all found out how that turned out when we finally made the playoffs with a dog-tired & beat-up team.

No argument from me. Two years of post-game summaries from me will pretty much confirm my disgust with Thorbs and Maurice's affinity for him.

Stuart's deployment is even worse.

 

[CaptainChef]

I need to take issue with this. Sure, it would have helped to win one of those draws. It would have helped even more to get the damn puck out instead of icing it and be forced to remain on the ice. I think that situation had a lot more to do with the tiredness and ineffectiveness of the 5 man unit on the ice than the poor sap who couldn't win a draw.

Having good defensive players in general is more important than having a 'faceoff specialist' imo. Faceoffs are actually less important than a lot of people think.

Perhaps, but I remain unconvinced.

Tell that to the Jets when they can't win a faceoff to save themselves on the PK & spend 2 minutes chasing the opposition around to try to touch the puck (or fishing it out of the back of their net).

Tell that to the Jets when they can't win faceoffs on the PP & are constantly needing to race back to their own end & reset the PP after losing faceoffs.

Tell that to the Jets when they are getting scored on so often during the last 30 secs of a period.

Finally, tell that to the Jets when they're one up & the opposition pulls the goalie for an offensive zone faceoff. What was our record of empty net goals scored vs number given up again this year?

 

[jesui]

Would be interesting to see Laine and Armia on the same line.
Two big, very skilled finnish wingers in the same line with Little or Perrault as a third line, at the start of the season.

Joel has not yet shown what he can do in the Nhl offensively, not even close imo.
But we will see what the future brings.

Very, very happy that the Jets likely drafts Laine.

 

[Mathil8]

Start the season with:

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Laine Little Stafford
Connor Perreault Dano
Lowry Burmistrov Armia
Petan Copp Thorburn

Send down Petan and Copp for seasoning if they don't make the cut, leave Thorburn in the PB, call up young ins to come into the line up jumping Thorburn in case of injury.

4th line would be made depending on who earns it in TC, adding in to the mix Lemieux, Tanev, De Leo, Lipon, etc.

Although doubt we see Lowry, Burmi, or Armia sent down due to waiver eligibility. Maybe one gets traded if they're out preformed .

Once rookies get a little more comfortable, can trade Stafford for pick(s), possibly one of Lowry/Burmi if they're under performing:

Laine Little Wheeler
Connor Scheifele Ehlers
Perreault Petan Dano
Lowry Burmistov/Copp Armia
Thorburn

Trying to make sure there's not too many rookies on one line. Feel like Connor Scheifele Ehlers line would be a bit too green, but midway through the season could work out just fine depending.

PP/PK (hard)

PP1
Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Byfuglien Perreault

PP2
Connor Little Stafford/Petan/Dano
Laine Trouba/Myers/Postma

PK1
Lowry Burmistrov
Enstrom Myers

PK2

Little Wheeler/Armia
Trouba Byfuglien

I'd have to review PP/PK performance numbers to decide who to pick, too lazy right now though. I'd love to get Dano/Postma more specialty teams time, but the PP is already stacked!

 

[jetsfaneh]

Start the season with:

Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Laine Little Stafford
Connor Perreault Dano
Lowry Burmistrov Armia
Petan Copp Thorburn

Send down Petan and Copp for seasoning if they don't make the cut, leave Thorburn in the PB, call up young ins to come into the line up jumping Thorburn in case of injury.

4th line would be made depending on who earns it in TC, adding in to the mix Lemieux, Tanev, De Leo, Lipon, etc.

Although doubt we see Lowry, Burmi, or Armia sent down due to waiver eligibility. Maybe one gets traded if they're out preformed .

Once rookies get a little more comfortable, can trade Stafford for pick(s), possibly one of Lowry/Burmi/Armia if they're under performing:

Laine Little Wheeler
Connor Scheifele Ehlers
Perreault Petan Dano
Lowry Burmistov/Copp Armia
Thorburn

Trying to make sure there's not too many rookies on one line. Feel like Connor Scheifele Ehlers line would be a bit too green, but midway through the season could work out just fine depending.

PP/PK (hard)

PP1
Ehlers Scheifele Wheeler
Byfuglien Perreault

PP2
Connor Little Stafford/Petan/Dano
Laine Trouba/Myers/Postma

PK1
Lowry Burmistrov
Enstrom Myers

PK2

Little Wheeler/Armia
Trouba Byfuglien

I'd have to review PP/PK performance numbers to decide who to pick, too lazy right now though. I'd love to get Dano/Postma more specialty teams time, but the PP is already stacked!

Is there a place where we can see who is waiver eligible? I always thought a two way deal meant they could be sent down without needing to clear waivers.

 

[Mathil8]

Is there a place where we can see who is waiver eligible? I always thought a two way deal meant they could be sent down without needing to clear waivers.

False, two way simply means you have a different salary structure in the AHL than the NHL. One of our CBA wary posters will be able to fill you in on what the exact rules/wording are for what makes a player waiver eligible. I just check websites like capfriendly.com:

https://www.capfriendly.com/waivers-faq, I don't know how accurate this is. I'd consult the CBA to know for sure.

 

[Mathil8]

One thing I noticed when making up my specialty teams lines, is that we're missing good young PK guys. I'd love to play Wheeler and Little on PK1, but I want to be able to maximize their TOI, they're already playing PP1. Maybe some of the young guys will be able to step into bigger roles on the PK, but who knows at this point.

I also think our D aren't optimal for PK, this is a place where I'd love to have Hamonic. If we can some how trade Myers+ for him, that would be a huge win for our team 5v5, but even more so on our PK.

 

[Coach G]

One thing I noticed when making up my specialty teams lines, is that we're missing good young PK guys. I'd love to play Wheeler and Little on PK1, but I want to be able to maximize their TOI, they're already playing PP1. Maybe some of the young guys will be able to step into bigger roles on the PK, but who knows at this point.

At the end of the season it seemed as though they were trying to groom Copp for that PK role, and Maurice confirmed it in an interview or two. Armia might be another they try to work into that role.

 

[winnipegger]

Perhaps, but I remain unconvinced.

Tell that to the Jets when they can't win a faceoff to save themselves on the PK & spend 2 minutes chasing the opposition around to try to touch the puck (or fishing it out of the back of their net).

Tell that to the Jets when they can't win faceoffs on the PP & are constantly needing to race back to their own end & reset the PP after losing faceoffs.

Tell that to the Jets when they are getting scored on so often during the last 30 secs of a period.

Finally, tell that to the Jets when they're one up & the opposition pulls the goalie for an offensive zone faceoff. What was our record of empty net goals scored vs number given up again this year?

I believe the top faceoff guy in the NHL this year was Toews at about 55%. So 45% of the time it doesn't matter that he's the top faceoff guy. Get my drift? That means that if he takes 20 faceoffs he only wins 11/20. It's much more useful to work on puck battles on the boards imo.

Having a guy on the PK who wins 70% of his draws all the time would be awesome. That player doesn't exist, though.

In other words, I think you are attributing a symptom (getting scored on) to an incorrect disease (losing a faceoff)

 

[mattwiebe]

I don't see many people breaking up Ehlers-Scheifle-Wheeler, but I think you might want to. Between Ehlers, Connor, and Laine, you have 3 LW for 2 top 6 roles. So, you have to swap Ehlers to RW, which means ESW is no more. You roll:

1A: Laine-Scheifle-Ehlers
1B: Connor-Little-Wheeler

That looks really deadly to me. 1B gets shutdown assignments against the other team's top line while 1A lights the lamps. This also prevents having two rookies on one line. 1A is really young, but 55 is a vet already, and 27 is coming into year 2 a far better, more confident player. He could score 30 goals this year. 29 (assuming Laine keeps it) could score 30, too. Hell, so could 55. Damn, that might be an over-concentration of snipers in 1A, but damned if I don't want to see it!

As for the bottom 6 or D pairs, I don't have a clue, other than that I want to Stu captain of the Moose and Thorburn wearing an A with him. There are a ton of players on that bubble, it should be a fun camp. I hope we can get Morrissey and Petan in the lineup, and that we can flip Stafford for something useful.

Oh, and 26 wears a C, and we give A patches to 55 and 8. 33 should wear a letter too, but refuses. Everyone acts like he has one anyway.

 

[Veinless]

Still not convinced about Ehlers on the left side of Fefe. I'd rather see him drop down a line and play the right side.

 

[thistleswamp]

I love the idea of Ehlers playing with Laine. Connor withWheeler is so much raw speed, you're going to need a C that can keep up. Who has the better top end, Little or Schiefele?
My inclination is Little has the advantage, but I'm not certain.

 

[surixon]

I love the idea of Ehlers playing with Laine. Connor withWheeler is so much raw speed, you're going to need a C that can keep up. Who has the better top end, Little or Schiefele?
My inclination is Little has the advantage, but I'm not certain.

Scheifele is faster although Little is no slouch.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Is there a place where we can see who is waiver eligible? I always thought a two way deal meant they could be sent down without needing to clear waivers.

2 way deals only affect the $$ they get paid when they're in the NHL or AHL - it has nothing to do with their waiver eligibility. Someone can be on a 2 way deal and still require waivers.

 

[sipowicz]

It's funny, a month ago we were all talking about Connor and the impact he will make next season being the next promising guy after Ehlers, Trouba and Schief but now we will more than likely have an even better rookie in Laine!

Draft lottery probably bought Chevy another five years or more!

 

[CaptainChef]

I believe the top faceoff guy in the NHL this year was Toews at about 55%. So 45% of the time it doesn't matter that he's the top faceoff guy. Get my drift? That means that if he takes 20 faceoffs he only wins 11/20. It's much more useful to work on puck battles on the boards imo.

Having a guy on the PK who wins 70% of his draws all the time would be awesome. That player doesn't exist, though.

In other words, I think you are attributing a symptom (getting scored on) to an incorrect disease (losing a faceoff)

It may in fact be 55% vs 45%, but why does it seem like we`re always losing those key faceoffs? Confirmation bias I suppose, but geez it seems like we lose all the time when they stick out their best faceoff man when it really matters

 

[csk]

It's funny, a month ago we were all talking about Connor and the impact he will make next season being the next promising guy after Ehlers, Trouba and Schief but now we will more than likely have an even better rookie in Laine!:handclap:

Draft lottery probably bought Chevy another five years or more!

He's a better prospect, but it remains to be seen which will have the better rookie season.

 

[KingBogo]

Scheifele is faster although Little is no slouch.

Didn't Scheif win the Jets fastest skater competition a couple years back? But to your point both have more than enough speed to play with any of the wingers.

 

[csk]

My thoughts on the roster:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Petan-Perreault-Dano
Lowry-Burmistrov-Armia
Thorburn-Peluso

Trouba-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Myers
Morrissey-Postma
Chiarot

Hellebuyck
Hutchinson

Stafford traded at draft

Moose roster (for fun):

Lemieux-Copp-Lipon
Tanev-DeLeo-Kosmachuk
Albert-DeSalvo-Spacek
Blomqvist-Olsen-Brassard
Kramer-Fronk

Stuart-Kichton
Melchiori-Kostalek
Stoykewych-Nogier
Harstad
help

Comrie
Pavelec?/???

 

[winnipegger]

My thoughts on the roster:

Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Ehlers
Petan-Perreault-Dano
Lowry-Burmistrov-Armia
Thorburn-Peluso

Trouba-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Myers
Morrissey-Postma
Chiarot

Hellebuyck
Hutchinson

Stafford traded at draft

Moose roster (for fun):

Lemieux-Copp-Lipon
Tanev-DeLeo-Kosmachuk
Albert-DeSalvo-Spacek
Blomqvist-Olsen-Brassard
Kramer-Fronk

Stuart-Kichton
Melchiori-Kostalek
Stoykewych-Nogier
Harstad
help

Comrie
Pavelec?/???

Nice lineup! I would switch Dano and Armia probably.

 

[thistleswamp]

Nice lineup! I would switch Dano and Armia probably.

I agree, not that I feel Dano is particularly worse than Armia. I just feel the chemistry is better between Burmi and Dano.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Have a feeling dano and armia will be good this year maybe stick Perrault with them