2016-17 roster

[KingBogo]

All the proposed lineups in this thread since the last few days are missing Chris Thorburn therefore they are all wrong. I feel that Chevy/Maurice will commit harakiri on national tv before they deny a healthy Thorburn a spot in the starting 12 forward group

Others may share another opinion. This roster has been evolving younger and younger with more and more talent over the last year. Now with an NHL ready forward being added as it is 2 of MP, Connor or Stafford will likely be in the bottom 6. Along with 4 of Burmi, Lowry, Copp, Armia, Dano, Petan, Tanev and Thor. I see Thor moving into a part time press box guy. Maybe gets a Peluso amount of games 35-40 while Anthony spends the season with the Moose.

I believe Chevy appreciates and likes Thor as a person, but rosters evolve especially when you have a back log of young talent with fewer and fewer being waiver exempt with each passing season.

 

[irunthepeg]

Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler
Connor/Laine - Little - Stafford
Perreault - Burmistrov- Dano
Armia - Lowry/Copp - Lipon

Trouba - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Stuart - ?

I could see these forward lines. I could see Connor or Laine spending some AHL time next season if there's any indication of needing some seasoning. Better to do it now. I also think Copp should spend some time in the AHL.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

Chevy mentioned previously that waivers will play a roll in forming the roster. Ignoring D for a minute, that puts the followingup front.

Absolute Locks:
27-55-26
85-18-16

Need waivers:
40, 6, 22, 17, 46

Connor and Laine will likely be in there too.

Which of 40, 6, 22, 17, 46 could be waived to make room for the other kids? Dano played well enough to stick IMO. Do the Jets waive a kid to bring Petan up? It will be interesting.

Truck.... I appreciate your post but I do not think (16) Ladd is a lock in the top 6

 

[Huffer]

So many great lineups. Even though we don't know who we are taking at 2, just the fact that we're at 2 means we're getting an NHL ready guy which gives the roster a shot in the arm.

Instead of creating a roster I think TNSE will use (because I think they stick with guys like Stafford and Stu), here is more of a "wish" roster (lot's of youth, work through the growing pains early for late season payoff):

Laine - Scheifele - Wheeler
Connor - Little - Ehlers
Petan - MP - Dano
Lowry - Copp - Armia
Lipon,Tanev

Callups: Lemieux (closer than I think many believe), De Leo

(If the org wants to give Petan more time on the Moose, I could see moving Lowry up to the 3LW, and having Lemieux on the roster.)

Lot's of rookies and youth so we'd see some off nights. But that team could really grow together too.


Out: Thor, Burmi, Stafford (ignoring the concept we might need to keep him just to be able to expose enough salary in the expansion draft)

Trouba - Buff
Myers - Hamonic
Morrissey - Postma
Chariot

All right hand shots in the top 4, but I think they are talented enough to do it.

Out: Enstrom, Stu

I like Enstrom, but this move is based on age, contract status, and if the Jets don't think he's in the plans after the expansion draft and his next contract is up (obviously would need to waive his NMC). Move him for futures, and use those futures as well as the futures from Staff, Burmi, and others we already have for Hamonic.

The addition of Hamonic is not because he's a local boy, but we could use him a great deal on the PK. Not using Myers to acquire him is a positive as Myers will be making an average of 3.5 in actual dollars in the next 3 years.

Helle
Hutch

Out: Pavs (in reality we might have to keep him just due to the difficulty to move him and the expansion draft, but if I can dream...)


Not too realistic, but fun!

 

[jetsfaneh]

Chevy mentioned previously that waivers will play a roll in forming the roster. Ignoring D for a minute, that puts the followingup front.

Absolute Locks:
27-55-26
85-18-16

Need waivers:
40, 6, 22, 17, 46

Connor and Laine will likely be in there too.

Which of 40, 6, 22, 17, 46 could be waived to make room for the other kids? Dano played well enough to stick IMO. Do the Jets waive a kid to bring Petan up? It will be interesting.

Burmistrov is on a one way. As is Thorburn. I believe the rest are on two way deals, no?

 

[mcpw]

Burmistrov is on a one way. As is Thorburn. I believe the rest are on two way deals, no?

One-way/two-way affects salary, not waiver eligibility.

Burmistrov and Thorburn are on one-way contracts, Armia, Lowry, Lipon are RFAs to be signed.

 

[powder88]

Man, this is hard to do. I thought I had the lineup sorted on cap friendly, then realized that I still had Connor in the AHL. Without releasing a pretty established vet, or sending down an awfully good prospect, I'm not sure how they get to a 23 man roster.

Ehlers-Scheifle-Wheeler (not sure you can reasonably break them up just to put a rookie on that line)
Laine-Perreault-Little (Laine on his preferred side with great defensive veterans)
Petan-Copp-Armia (A personal bias, but this is a line I would like to see more of after last year)
Connor-Lowry-Stafford (Doesn't really fit, but Stafford is almost the odd man out here; might struggle on D)

That leaves Burmi-Dano-Thorburn leftover. I'm not sure whose spot they can take. The Jets won't release Thorburn and, as others have mentioned, he would be an ideal PB guy. Dan seems like the one that gets send down, but only because there isn;t really a spot for him. Maybe you platoon Burmi with a couple of other son those 3rd and 4th lines??

On D:

Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Myers
Morissey-Postma
Stu

Stu's contract is literally not to be believed. I cannot fathom how he got four years out of Chevy. Just sickening. If the Jets had any D prospects after Morrissey, Stu would be banished to the ECHL. I think he could be helpful in a PB role, but I'm far less convinced of that than I am with Thor.

Pavs
Helle

"one more year...one more year...one more year"

When I add that up, I get to about $65.5 million, with Stu, Pavs and Stafford ($10.8 million) coming off the books the following year.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Do you think Maurice will start the season with ESW? I'm pretty sure he does.

I think he will look at several options in TC. ESW would be the default 1st line but if something else clicks in TC we may see something different.

In some ways Ehlers and Wheeler may not be the best linemates but I think Ehlers was backing up the D making more room for Scheif & Wheeler. But 1LW could be filled by any of Laine, Connor, Petan or Perreault. The advantage is that then Ehlers can move back to the right. Laine - Little - Ehlers could be very good together for example.

Do you recall going into TC last year that PMo talked about having lost sleep all summer coming up with different line combinations? It will be 10x worse this year.

 

[Coach G]

I'm waiting to hear the expansion announcement - and clarification of the expose/protect rules - before making a proposal.
I agree with the apparent majority here that Stafford seems the hardest to fit into the lineup, BUT... I'm almost positive we're going to need him to expose in the (presumed) expansion draft in order to get to the minimum salary exposure.
One thing is for sure: I'm really going to enjoy my Moose STs next year. They look to be overstocked with high-end prospects! And they'll have Stuart to shore up* the defense...

*insert sarcasm indicator here.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Hi Snerd
My only defence is that I wasn't saying which wings I was just saying the lines. Therefore, Connor can still play Right Wing and Lanie can be Left Wing. Dano can still play his wing and Perrault can man the other side. In terms of inexperience I think you line them up against other 3rd line matchups and the speed of the three players will more than make-up for lack of experience. Perrault could also give the line experience and is known for bringing out the best in young players like he did with Schief and Ehlers at the beginning of the season.

Fair enough. We are going to have a lot of inexperience among our forwards next year. That's a given. It will be impossible to shelter everybody all the time. I'm pretty sure that inexperience will keep us out of the play-offs again next year. That is barring the kind of puck luck Cal had year before last and Col the year before that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Laine would help immensely on the power play, his one timer looks absolutely deadly.

So like Ovi on that left side.
I don't know if he will ever be able to do it like Ovi can. I am always surprised that Ovi can be so effective there when everybody knows exactly what he is going to do and how he is going to do it. But he makes it work. It would be great if Laine could just get up to being about 75% of that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What happens to Stafford in this scenario? Overall I like this lineup and was thinking something similar today other than Petan on the 1st line. I really wanna see Perrault centering a 3rd line with offensive players so that we can roll a 2a and 2b line instead of a 3rd line.

I'm getting a little dizzy.

We have a 3rd line that is actually 2b and a 4th line that is actually 3b so we have no bottom 6 at all. And shouldn't there be a 1b?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I am not very eager to jettison Perreault. It's pretty hard to project where our rookies/prospects demonstrate by the trade deadline. Perreault merits a raise and term. Do we have a spot for him for the next few years at his asking price? Maybe. I think it depends on what our young players show us... if Perreault is not extended this off-season.

Chevy will have a busy year sorting this all out.

Yes, fer sure.

I'm going on some assumptions in regards to Perreault. I see Wheeler, Little, Perreault and Scheifele as the veteran core. (Yes Scheifele is a veteran. Everybody has to grow up sometime.) I don't consider Stafford as part of that for one thing because I don't see a future for him beyond this year. He just doesn't fit whereas MP does fit, very well. I'm afraid that with fewer veterans than that we risk falling into the Oiler trap. These kids are not going to become winners without a good veteran core. Therefore I expect him to be extended. He is just too good all-around to let him get away. I think 3 years at around 4.5 mil should be about right. Given his ability to play all 3 F positions and to move up and down the lineup I have no problem finding a place for him for a few more years.

 

[CaptainChef]

Here's a thought -- and I can't believe I'm proposing it because it never seemed like a possibility until we won (or essentially won) the draft lottery.

I wonder if Conner might get to start in the AHL. Sounds ridiculous but sure eases a lot of other players into where they might eventually fall & gives him a chance to hone his skills on the Moose before being called up.

Doing that allows Stafford to maintain a role on the team as well as Thorburn -- you know how I feel about either of them, just don't see management doing much or even benching either. That still leaves too much talent at forward, and guys like Petan plus others will find themselves starting the A as well.

Lets try this out for size then:
Ehlers - Sheif - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Armia
Perrault - Burmi - Stafford
Lowry - Copp - Dano/Thorburn
Whoever else I've missed can start in the PB with Dano/Thorbs.

On D:
Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Myers
Morrissey-Postma
Stu

Helly & Pavs

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

All the proposed lineups in this thread since the last few days are missing Chris Thorburn therefore they are all wrong. I feel that Chevy/Maurice will commit harakiri on national tv before they deny a healthy Thorburn a spot in the starting 12 forward group

That's just your habitual negativity speaking. There has never before been such clearly superior options. And so many of them. By rights Thor should be about 4th in line to get out of the PB never mind starting.

Edit: Chevy might take the decision out of Maurice's hands if he can find a taker for Thor.

 

[truck]

Truck.... I appreciate your post but I do not think (16) Ladd is a lock in the top 6

Erm... 12

Also, I meant a lock for the roster - not for the top 6.

 

[SLAYER]

Too difficult for me to predict our lineup for next season... soooo many prospects are going to be fighting for a roster spot. You can probably draw up our Defense, will probably be similar to next year barring any roster moves.

I'll reserve any predictions for after the draft. Going to be veeeeery interesting to see what Chevy will do around the draft and leading up to TC in the fall.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

So many great lineups. Even though we don't know who we are taking at 2, just the fact that we're at 2 means we're getting an NHL ready guy which gives the roster a shot in the arm.

Instead of creating a roster I think TNSE will use (because I think they stick with guys like Stafford and Stu), here is more of a "wish" roster (lot's of youth, work through the growing pains early for late season payoff):

You aren't the only one saying things like that. You didn't mention Thor but I assume you just forgot. (Why mention Stu if not Thor?) I can see keeping Stafford until the TD. I go back and forth on that one.

I really don't get why people believe that Stu and Thor can make the starting lineup in the face of the competition there is now for their jobs. Plus how bad they have become. I just don't see it. Playing those 2 any more than limited minutes in no more than 10 games should be a firing offense by a coach. (unless he wins of course ) Add Pav to that list, assuming that we now have competition for him too.

 

[Puckatron 3000]

That's just your habitual negativity speaking. There has never before been such clearly superior options. And so many of them. By rights Thor should be about 4th in line to get out of the PB never mind starting.

Edit: Chevy might take the decision out of Maurice's hands if he can find a taker for Thor.

Yep, we may have seen the end of Thor on the Jets' starting roster.

For next year, Thor has PB written all over him. We absolutely have much better, TNSE-drafted options. We have taken a very definite youth path. Thor has no importance to the future of the club. There's no concern for harming his development in any way, like there would be for a young guy who would be better served in the A. Thor's very familiar with the Jets play style, and can step in for an injury - until perhaps we can get a better call-up situated. Even if the injury is in the top 6, Thor can step into the 4th and we bump another young skill guy up, like Armia or Dano. The PB still keeps him in the locker room, where he apparently has some value.

The only concern is if Thor thinks he could get ice time elsewhere. And TNSE feels they should either play him or trade him, kinda like it seems they did with Pardy.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Here's a thought -- and I can't believe I'm proposing it because it never seemed like a possibility until we won (or essentially won) the draft lottery.

I wonder if Conner might get to start in the AHL. Sounds ridiculous but sure eases a lot of other players into where they might eventually fall & gives him a chance to hone his skills on the Moose before being called up.

Doing that allows Stafford to maintain a role on the team as well as Thorburn -- you know how I feel about either of them, just don't see management doing much or even benching either. That still leaves too much talent at forward, and guys like Petan plus others will find themselves starting the A as well.

Lets try this out for size then:
Ehlers - Sheif - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Armia
Perrault - Burmi - Stafford
Lowry - Copp - Dano/Thorburn
Whoever else I've missed can start in the PB with Dano/Thorbs.

On D:
Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Myers
Morrissey-Postma
Stu

Helly & Pavs

With Connor coming from NCAA and Laine from Europe we aren't faced with the usual 'all or none' choice. I could see either or both spending at least a little time in the A this year. Any extended stay there would be a disappointment though.

 

[KingBogo]

Yep, we may have seen the end of Thor on the Jets' starting roster.

For next year, Thor has PB written all over him. We absolutely have much better, TNSE-drafted options. We have taken a very definite youth path. Thor has no importance to the future of the club. There's no concern for harming his development in any way, like there would be for a young guy who would be better served in the A. Thor's very familiar with the Jets play style, and can step in for an injury - until perhaps we can get a better call-up situated. Even if the injury is in the top 6, Thor can step into the 4th and we bump another young skill guy up, like Armia or Dano. The PB still keeps him in the locker room, where he apparently has some value.

The only concern is if Thor thinks he could get ice time elsewhere. And TNSE feels they should either play him or trade him, kinda like it seems they did with Pardy.

Agree, but I think Thor plays out the string as a true professional. Takes his PB time with a smile on his face and continues to be a positive member of the team. The guy has had a good run and will have an eye on the future. Maybe him and Stu stick around to be "glue" mentors on the Moose

 

[northendninja]

No we don't.
Having your players be better on the FO is nice, but FO specialist is waste of a roster space.
The best FO impact is about 3-4 goals in impact over the duration of a season, and those are the extreme cases... 90% of centres are within +/-1 goal.
It's a minor part of what makes a player what they are.

kind of old to bring back up, but if youre watching these playoffs, its extremely apparent that you NEED to have a top tier faceoff guy. Just watching this Pens game, in the last 2min the Penguins couldnt win a draw and the Caps nearly came all the way back just because they kept possession after every icing... If they are still looking to bring in a 3rd or 4th line center, I would hope theyre great on the draw.

laine - Sheif - Wheeler
connor - little - ehlers
Perrault - helm - armia
lowry - Copp - dano


On D:
hamonic-Buff
morrissey-Myers
enstrom-trouba


Helly & Pavs

options to trade: 22nd, 2nd round, stafford, burmi, petan, lemieux, hutch, etc.

 

[truck]

You aren't the only one saying things like that. You didn't mention Thor but I assume you just forgot. (Why mention Stu if not Thor?) I can see keeping Stafford until the TD. I go back and forth on that one.

I really don't get why people believe that Stu and Thor can make the starting lineup in the face of the competition there is now for their jobs. Plus how bad they have become. I just don't see it. Playing those 2 any more than limited minutes in no more than 10 games should be a firing offense by a coach. (unless he wins of course ) Add Pav to that list, assuming that we now have competition for him too.

I suspect it has something to do with the fact that they have played ahead of superior players for years.

I believe Thor has spent more games on the 3rd line than the 4th over the last two seasons and there have always been guys who are better than him riding pine.

 

[Guffman]

You aren't the only one saying things like that. You didn't mention Thor but I assume you just forgot. (Why mention Stu if not Thor?) I can see keeping Stafford until the TD. I go back and forth on that one.

I really don't get why people believe that Stu and Thor can make the starting lineup in the face of the competition there is now for their jobs. Plus how bad they have become. I just don't see it. Playing those 2 any more than limited minutes in no more than 10 games should be a firing offense by a coach. (unless he wins of course ) Add Pav to that list, assuming that we now have competition for him too.

I just get the impression that the Jets are cheap and wouldn't want anyone with one-way contracts playing in the AHL. That's why players like Thor and Stu will likely linger with the big club in some capacity.

 

[bumblebeeman]

kind of old to bring back up, but if youre watching these playoffs, its extremely apparent that you NEED to have a top tier faceoff guy. Just watching this Pens game, in the last 2min the Penguins couldnt win a draw and the Caps nearly came all the way back just because they kept possession after every icing... If they are still looking to bring in a 3rd or 4th line center, I would hope theyre great on the draw.

laine - Sheif - Wheeler
connor - little - ehlers
Perrault - helm - armia
lowry - Copp - dano


On D:
hamonic-Buff
morrissey-Myers
enstrom-trouba


Helly & Pavs

options to trade: 22nd, 2nd round, stafford, burmi, petan, lemieux, hutch, etc.

I like your lines and adding helm is cool, but how the heck did the Jets land hamonic?!

Also the enstrom - Trouba 3rd pairing, that would have to be one the best 3rd pairings of all time