2016-17 roster

[winnipegger]

Really want to see Connor Petan Laine. Do it. Rookified 3rd line that will have super sheltered minutes.

 

[allan5oh]

I think some are a little over valuing Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler as a trio due to a 106.50 PDO.

I thought they were good (52% Adjusted Corsi), but I've seen much better top lines for the Jets and really don't think Ehlers and Wheeler are best fit for each other.

It's not about putting the best line together, it's about putting the best team together.

 

[allan5oh]

I think they should split Ehlers/Wheeler in the top six (puck carrier and table setter), and put Connor/Laine with the other (goal scorer and feaster). This also lets you split the rookies, but "shelter" them by keeping them with good linemates (QoT is bigger factor than QoC).

This is a good option. Too many are putting Laine and Connor together on the 2nd line. Little is a great player but I don't think it will work so well. I found it funny one article where a local pundit was saying Little wouldn't be able to keep up to those two. It's the other way around. There's no way Laine and Connor can offer a complete game like Little.

I'm just wondering about the power play. Maurice likes to run 4 forwards on the first unit and 3 on the second. That may be due to the talent we have. Maybe both units will have 4 forwards next year. That's hard to split your lines into that though.

Laine - Scheifele - Ehlers - Perreault (3rd line) - Buff
Connor - Little - Wheeler - XXXXXX - Defenseman

Doesn't look too bad to me and that's similar to what was ran last year. I'm not sure on the formation of the first one though, Perreault and Ehlers have similar roles on the PP.

It's actually really important to keep your first line intact and on the first power play. That way they can go out when the PP is done and play against usually weaker defensive players.

 

[garret9]

It's not about putting the best line together, it's about putting the best team together.

Yes...?

 

[garret9]

This is a good option. Too many are putting Laine and Connor together on the 2nd line. Little is a great player but I don't think it will work so well. I found it funny one article where a local pundit was saying Little wouldn't be able to keep up to those two. It's the other way around. There's no way Laine and Connor can offer a complete game like Little.

I'm just wondering about the power play. Maurice likes to run 4 forwards on the first unit and 3 on the second. That may be due to the talent we have. Maybe both units will have 4 forwards next year. That's hard to split your lines into that though.

Laine - Scheifele - Ehlers - Perreault (3rd line) - Buff
Connor - Little - Wheeler - XXXXXX - Defenseman

Doesn't look too bad to me and that's similar to what was ran last year. I'm not sure on the formation of the first one though, Perreault and Ehlers have similar roles on the PP.

It's actually really important to keep your first line intact and on the first power play. That way they can go out when the PP is done and play against usually weaker defensive players.

I hope he moves to 4F1D for both as he gets more tools, with Buff and either Postma/Morrissey/Trouba.

 

[rehf]

Laine would help immensely on the power play, his one timer looks absolutely deadly.

 

[allan5oh]

I hope he moves to 4F1D for both as he gets more tools, with Buff and either Postma/Morrissey/Trouba.

I could certainly see it happening. As well as the bottom 6 being responsible for the PK.

 

[Whileee]

Top six:
Laine/Connor-Little-Wheeler
Laine/Connor-Scheifele-Ehlers

I think they should split Ehlers/Wheeler in the top six (puck carrier and table setter), and put Connor/Laine with the other (goal scorer and feaster). This also lets you split the rookies, but "shelter" them by keeping them with good linemates (QoT is bigger factor than QoC).

Third Line

Perreault-Burmistrov/Petan-Dano

Honestly, time to move on with Stafford. The Jets ran Perreault-Burmistrov-Dano and together they were honestly good enough to be a second line on most teams (64% Corsi and 67% expected Goals). Would dominate as a third line. Switching Dano for Stafford scares me. If Petan is able to take a top9 C role in the NHL, you replace Burmi with him. If not, he's the first call up with any C injuries to slot in 3C. The Jets are deep enough team that size will not be an issue.

Fourth Line

Best of rest.

Fourth line, you just take the cream of the crop between the rest (Lowry, Copp, Armia, Lemieux, Lipon, De Leo, Petan, Thorburn*).

* lol

Defense

Trouba-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Myers
Chiarot/Morrissey-Postma
Chiarot - Stuart

If Morrissey is ready, he's ready and Chiarot and Stuart shouldn't be regulars when everyone is healthy.
If not, it's okay.

I agree with the concept around Ehlers and Wheeler. Both are very good set-up players and can really set the table for snipers. Put Laine with Ehlers and Connor with Wheeler. This balances out the size a bit, and I also think that Ehlers can play well with a line-mate that doesn't have his speed / quickness. I think he and Laine would be a dynamite combination, as would Connor and Wheeler (blazing speed on the rush).

I agree that there really isn't much room in the line-up for Stafford. I guess we won't be needing Stempniak either.

The 3rd line will be interesting, and I almost think that the Jets might end up with more of a 3a and 3b (i.e. lines that are more equal in their ice time). Lowry is a bit of a question mark, but if he bounces back and plays like he did for much of his rookie season, I think we'll see him a lot. I really like Armia, and think that with the right combination he might actually out-perform Dano. I think Petan might be ready for a full-time spot, but I'm not sure it will be at C to start. I think that we might see Perreault at C, with Petan on LW. I really liked Petan-Copp-Armia late in the season.

 

[Dayofthedogs]

Petan/Scheif/Wheels
Laine/Little/Ehlers
Connor/MP/Dano
Lowry/Copp/Burmi
Thor/Armia

Trouba/Buff
Toby/Myers
Morrissey/Postma
Stuart

Hellebyuck
Hutch

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

Armia with laine?

 

[csk]

Armia with laine?

I'd rather Laine play with scoring players

 

[Lomac]

Laine-Scheif-Wheels
Drouin-Little-Ehlers
Connor-Perreault-Dano
whatever is left 4th line

Trouba-Buff
Enstrom-Hamonic
Morrissey-Postma

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Ehlers-Scheifele-Laine
Connor-Little-Wheeler
Dano-Burmistrov-Stafford
Lowry-Copp-Armia

Myers-Bufygulien
Morrissey-Trouba
Enstrom-Postma

Hellebuyck
Pavelec

I feel we should try and make a trade, like Perrault for 2 2nds and a C Prospect? Maybe Stafford to a wild card contender?

 

[JetsFan815]

All the proposed lineups in this thread since the last few days are missing Chris Thorburn therefore they are all wrong. I feel that Chevy/Maurice will commit harakiri on national tv before they deny a healthy Thorburn a spot in the starting 12 forward group

 

[JetsFan815]

Petan/Scheif/Wheels
Laine/Little/Ehlers
Connor/MP/Dano
Lowry/Copp/Burmi
Thor/Armia

Trouba/Buff
Toby/Myers
Morrissey/Postma
Stuart

Hellebyuck
Hutch

What happens to Stafford in this scenario? Overall I like this lineup and was thinking something similar today other than Petan on the 1st line. I really wanna see Perrault centering a 3rd line with offensive players so that we can roll a 2a and 2b line instead of a 3rd line.

 

[Guffman]

I'm not sure about the bolded. There will certainly be a price to pay for all the inexperience. Some people seem to be assuming that all of last years rookies will hit the ground running this. Most of them are still inexperienced players. If we give them all prime rolls and then add several more rookies we are going to be in the lottery again. But then you assume that anyway even moving a little slower so why not go all in?

The only reason would be that some of them are not ready and might be damaged in some way by being rushed. The 3 most prominent likely rookies are Connor, Laine and Morrissey. I could probably add Petan to that list. All are eligible for the A this year so we don't have to worry about 9 game trials and sending them back to junior. Expect them to struggle a bit. If they are struggling too much send them to the Moose like we did with Petan last year.

I've been pushing to trade Stafford sooner rather than later. Not because I don't like Staff. I do actually. But his particular set of warts makes him hard to fit into the lineup. But in trying to fit everyone in 2RW hasn't naturally been filled by someone else so I am coming around to keeping him until the TDL. If someone other than Ehlers can take 1LW then Ehlers can move to 2RW and I am back to trading Stafford as quickly as possible.

I agree with your direction of very different looking lineups at the beginning and the end of the season but I'd make a couple of changes to yours:
Ehlers - Schieffle - Wheeler
Laine - Little - Stafford
Connor - Perreault - Dano
Lowry - Burmistrov - Armia
Thorburn
If Connor has trouble go to your way. Bring in Petan to the 3rd line, either C or LW. OTOH if Laine has trouble Petan might fit that spot.

End of year line-up:
Connor/Laine - Schieffle - Wheeler
Laine/Connor - Little - Ehlers
Petan - Perreault - Dano
Burmi/Tanev/Lowry - Lowry/Copp - Armia/Lipon
Thorburn
Harder to be firm about the year end but there are lots of options. Some of them might have been thinned out at the TDL.

A lot of posters are being pretty quick to let go of MP. I want to extend him. He is a smaller, less robust but more offensive Frolik. He can play any position, any line. He sets a great example for the kids. The whole team plays at a higher pitch when he is on the ice and he is good in all 3 zones.

I am not very eager to jettison Perreault. It's pretty hard to project where our rookies/prospects demonstrate by the trade deadline. Perreault merits a raise and term. Do we have a spot for him for the next few years at his asking price? Maybe. I think it depends on what our young players show us... if Perreault is not extended this off-season.

Chevy will have a busy year sorting this all out.

 

[Guffman]

All the proposed lineups in this thread since the last few days are missing Chris Thorburn therefore they are all wrong. I feel that Chevy/Maurice will commit harakiri on national tv before they deny a healthy Thorburn a spot in the starting 12 forward group

I had him as the 13th. It will be interesting to see if the Jets will eat salary by sticking driftwood like Stuart, Peluso and Thor in the AHL.

 

[Bastage]

MP/Little/Wheeler. Primarily D-zone starts. Vets shut down their best. 65+ goals.
Conner/Scheif/Ehlers. Primarily O-zone starts. We feast! 75+ goals.
Laine/Petan/Dano. Primarily O-zone starts. Secondary scoring. 50+ goals.
Lowry/Copp/Armia. Primarily D-zone starts. Strong D. 30+ goals.
13th forward... whoever earns it from the rest of our prospects.

Trouba/Buff. Primarily O-zone starts. Buff for Norris!
Enstrom/Myers. Primarily D-zone starts.
Morrissey/Postma. Soft minutes.
7th D, Chiarot.


Hellebuyck plays 4/5 starts over the season. Vezina candidate? Hutchinson plays the rest.



Gone are Stafford, Thorburn, Stuart, Peluso, Pavelec and Burmistrov. The return would be a depth Dman, a few picks, a box of hockey tape and a bucket of pucks.

MP is showcased for trade deadline value since I believe an extension would be 3+ years at 4M+ and I don't think we have room for him.

Scheif gets 6.3M per/8 years.
Trouba gets 3M per/2 years.
Armia gets 1.1M per/2 years.
Lowry gets 1.1M per/2 years.
Hutch gets 800K per/2 years.
Tanev gets 1M/1 year.
Lipon gets 750K per/2 years.



Home ice in the playoffs.

Sorry, my formatting skills are like Stuarts hockey skills. If a mod is so inclined....

 

[TannedBum]

Ehlers - Scheifele - Wheeler

Connor - Little - Stafford

Laine - Perreault - Armia

Lowry - Copp - Thorburn/Petan

Dano

 

[teravaineSAROS]

How good is Armia? 3rd liner at prime? any 2nd or 1st line potential?

 

[Festinator]

I'd like to ask what people see in Dano and don't see in Armia, because a lot of people are ranking him higher than Armia and I just don't see it. Armia impressed me loads as the season came to an end, Dano did not as much. Whatever happens, Armia/Dano would be wasted on the 4th line.

Ehlers-Scheifele-Wheeler
Laine-Little-Stafford
Connor-Perreault-Armia
Lowry-Copp-Burmistrov
Thorburn

Trouba-Byfuglien
Enstrom-Myers
Morrisey-Chiarot
Stuart

Hellebuyck
Pavs/Hutch

If petan and Dano aren't playing top 9 minutes, I'd prefer to let them play top line minutes with the moose. Thorburn is a huge leader for the jets, and while the skill may not be there, extremely high work ethic, keep him as the 13th forward so he can stay with the team and slot into games now and again. If forwards get injured we can call up petan/Dano as skilled replacements. On D we got Stuart and kitchton to draw in for any injured defensemen.

THROWBACK TIME

Ladd-Little-Wheeler
Kane-Antropov-Wellwood
Stapleton-Burmistrov- Jones/Miettinen/Flood
Glass-Slater-Thorburn

Byfuglien-Enstrom
Bogosian-Oduya
Stuart-Hainsey

Pavelec
Mason

We were all so excited for this lineup too
Look at how far we've come. Only 6 of those forwards still play in the NHL haha. Have to admire the amount of potential Chevy has inserted into the lineup. Future looks great!

 

[Festinator]

How good is Armia? 3rd liner at prime? any 2nd or 1st line potential?

I'd say Armia has potential to be a great 2nd line winger, maybe 3rd liner on a really deep team (which Winnipeg is becoming if all this talent shapes up like we hope it will

 

[teravaineSAROS]

I'd say Armia has potential to be a great 2nd line winger, maybe 3rd liner on a really deep team (which Winnipeg is becoming if all this talent shapes up like we hope it will

Ok phew, I'm considering really hard to become a Jets fan if you guys draft Laine (or even Pullyoyo) and it would be cool to have an additional Finn to follow! I already love a lot of the players you have especially Ehlers.

 

[GJF]

The amount of people not even considering Stafford in our lineup in this thread is astonishing to me. Do some of you really think Petan will play over Drew Stafford?

Sure I also think Drew should maybe be traded now. But as long as he's a Winnipeg Jet he most certainly will play on our roster over a 35 games player like Petan. No need to go full crazy with the youth movement. They pay Stafford millions of dollar.

 

[truck]

Chevy mentioned previously that waivers will play a roll in forming the roster. Ignoring D for a minute, that puts the followingup front.

Absolute Locks:
27-55-26
85-18-16

Need waivers:
40, 6, 22, 17, 46

Connor and Laine will likely be in there too.

Which of 40, 6, 22, 17, 46 could be waived to make room for the other kids? Dano played well enough to stick IMO. Do the Jets waive a kid to bring Petan up? It will be interesting.