Salary Cap: 2016-17 roster-building part IV | Contract chart, cap info in post #1

[Speaking Moistly]

My "irrational" hatred of Rick Nash would flare up if he was here.

 

[Shady Machine]

My "irrational" hatred of Rick Nash would flare up if he was here.

I don't hate Nash, but he is a playoff flop as far as star players go. His regular season career ppg is 0.80 and his playoff ppg is 0.55. That's a 30% drop in production. Most top players have a reduction in production in the playoffs, but not nearly that high. Jumo "playoff choker" Thornton has a playoff production decline of 20%. Most other top players are in the 10-15% decline range.

I wouldn't take Nash for a dime over 5MM.

 

[mpp9]

Playoff flop who was the Rangers best player in the 1st round. He's not a game breaking player, but with salary retention, he'd fit nicely next to Sid and PH. Big, fast, good two way player and can hold onto the puck to buy Sid some time and space.

He was also said to be hurt this season. Could be a good buy low option if teams are turned off by him like they were by Phil Kessel.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Don't care for Nash here. Crosby and him never looked good together when they were on the same line for Canada. He may work with Malkin, but I'd rather not go that expensive as an option to find out.

 

[Riptide]

I don't hate Nash, but he is a playoff flop as far as star players go. His regular season career ppg is 0.80 and his playoff ppg is 0.55. That's a 30% drop in production. Most top players have a reduction in production in the playoffs, but not nearly that high. Jumo "playoff choker" Thornton has a playoff production decline of 20%. Most other top players are in the 10-15% decline range.

I wouldn't take Nash for a dime over 5MM.

I dunno... if the cost was just Kunitz and a meh prospect (say Blueger) and a mid pick, I'd probably do it. Move Fehr and the cap increase is minimal.

That said, I think there's better ways to spend 8m, but it would be interesting to see Nash and Malkin together.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

In this case, I wouldn't be interested. Size on defense is of little use to this team. Build on becoming even more mobile by replacing Lovejoy with one of DP/Schultz, getting Maatta a healthy offseason and adding another winger.

Why? In the immortal words of Gary Agnew, you don't need six Kris Letangs.

But in all seriousness, adding Gudbranson would have been basically like if Lovejoy had size, toughness, and actual shutdown ability. He'd be the physical, RH version of Brian Dumoulin. I'm not sure what's so bad about having that.

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I don't hate Nash, but he is a playoff flop as far as star players go. His regular season career ppg is 0.80 and his playoff ppg is 0.55. That's a 30% drop in production. Most top players have a reduction in production in the playoffs, but not nearly that high. Jumo "playoff choker" Thornton has a playoff production decline of 20%. Most other top players are in the 10-15% decline range.

I wouldn't take Nash for a dime over 5MM.

My level of hate for him really isn't rational. Under 5M makes things more interesting, but even then I'd be a miserable brat about it.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

Why? In the immortal words of Gary Agnew, you don't need six Kris Letangs.

But in all seriousness, adding Gudbranson would have been basically like if Lovejoy had size, toughness, and actual shutdown ability. He'd be the physical, RH version of Brian Dumoulin. I'm not sure what's so bad about having that.

I don't know why some people are so adverse to a mix on D. Following one philosophy to a tee is great as a guideline, but not in every little instance. That's much of the reason Bylsma was an idiot. Plus you can obviously have a little versatility given that not every opponent is the same.

 

[mpp9]

I'm not paying a D-man whose greatest attribute is clearing the net and hitting people 4.5+ mil when we should be paying players that help us play our style of game.

But I'm a Mark Cuban follower and believe diversification in your investments is dumb as well.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I'm not paying a D-man whose greatest attribute is clearing the net and hitting people 4.5+ mil when we should be paying players that help us play our style of game.

But I'm a Mark Cuban follower and believe diversification in your investments is dumb as well.

So you'd be against adding guys like Alzner, Hjalmarsson, Methot, etc.?

 

[mpp9]

So you'd be against adding guys like Alzner, Hjalmarsson, Methot, etc.?

Methot? Yeah, I'd pass. Alzner and Hammer are more than crease clearers. They contribute in all three zones and are among the best shutdown defenders in the game.

I'm talking about glorified Roman Polaks and Doug Murrays. No interest in that whatsoever. And many on here wanted Polak at the deadline.

 

[Riptide]

So you'd be against adding guys like Alzner, Hjalmarsson, Methot, etc.?

If they can play hockey and have size? Great. But that doesn't exactly describe Grub. His puck skills are just as bad - if not worse then Lovejoy's. And he's not going to be cheap - I mean he's getting 3.5m already.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Trocheck is about to sign a long term deal with Florida, so scratch him off the list. I'm shifting my focus to JT Miller at this point, because I honestly think that is a deal that could really happen. I honestly really think that the Pens could pull off Miller if they really wanted him with Pouliot as the primary piece going the other way. The only way it doesn't make sense is that the Pens and Rangers are in the same division, but if both teams are filling a big organization need, I don't think either team would scoff at making a trade. Or at least they shouldn't.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Methot? Yeah, I'd pass. Alzner and Hammer are more than crease clearers. They contribute in all three zones and are among the best shutdown defenders in the game.

I'm talking about glorified Roman Polaks and Doug Murrays. No interest in that whatsoever. And many on here wanted Polak at the deadline.

For one thing, Gudbranson is a better skater than either of Polak or Murray. Part of what hampered both Polak and Murray is their lack of wheels. He's also got a better outlet pass than those guys have/had. So while he won't rack up points, he'd be solid in transition.

I also don't agree he's got worse puck skills than Lovejoy. Lovejoy literally bangs it off the glass/boards 90% of the time he has the puck. Gudbranson can actually make a tape to tape outlet pass. Neither are offensive threats, but Gudbranson can actually move the puck up the ice.

 

[The Old Master]

In this case, I wouldn't be interested. Size on defense is of little use to this team. Build on becoming even more mobile by replacing Lovejoy with one of DP/Schultz, getting Maatta a healthy offseason and adding another winger.

I'm all for more mobile........but as for size......have you ever seen us when we get hemmed up in our own end? or when we have to clear the crease?.......it's not pretty.

 

[Contender]

Trocheck is about to sign a long term deal with Florida, so scratch him off the list. I'm shifting my focus to JT Miller at this point, because I honestly think that is a deal that could really happen. I honestly really think that the Pens could pull off Miller if they really wanted him with Pouliot as the primary piece going the other way. The only way it doesn't make sense is that the Pens and Rangers are in the same division, but if both teams are filling a big organization need, I don't think either team would scoff at making a trade. Or at least they shouldn't.

Not only that, but he's a local kid too. Higher ups would just love that.

 

[billybudd]

Trocheck is about to sign a long term deal with Florida, so scratch him off the list. I'm shifting my focus to JT Miller at this point, because I honestly think that is a deal that could really happen. I honestly really think that the Pens could pull off Miller if they really wanted him with Pouliot as the primary piece going the other way. The only way it doesn't make sense is that the Pens and Rangers are in the same division, but if both teams are filling a big organization need, I don't think either team would scoff at making a trade. Or at least they shouldn't.

I'm fascinated with how they handle their roster going forward if that's true. There's not any easy way to keep what they have while reinforcing the D (Mitchell retiring, Kindl and Kulikov expiring soon, Campbell getting old) unless they jack the payroll up to max. Even then, it'll be tough.

 

[billybudd]

"By Larry Brooks"

Brooks is a propagandist, but he's not a liar. When he "breaks" some sort of rumor, it tends to generally be correct. He had the Devils as having finance problems like 2 years before that was confirmed.

If he says the Rangers are "listening" on everyone but Brady Skjdgaongdoigan and Lundqvist, that's probably true, if misleading.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm fascinated with how they handle their roster going forward if that's true. There's not any easy way to keep what they have while reinforcing the D (Mitchell retiring, Kindl and Kulikov expiring soon, Campbell getting old) unless they jack the payroll up to max. Even then, it'll be tough.

Campbell is also testing the UFA market this summer too, so there's a real chance he doesn't come back. With trading Gudbranson, they're lacking D pretty bad right now. They have Ekblad and Kulikov, but that's about it and nothing much after Matheson in terms of D prospects.

Not only that, but he's a local kid too. Highers ups would just love that.

I think I remember a rumor from last year saying that the Pens wanted a local kid. I don't think it's necessary, but it's certainly not a negative.

 

[WooWooKennyWu*]

Tampa Bay - Kevin Shattenkirk


Pittsburgh - Vladimir Tarasenko


St. Louis - Jonathan Drouin, Marc-Andre Fleury (750k retained), Patric Hornqvist, Olli Maatta

 

[mgd525]

I would want nothing to do with Nash unless the Rangers want to retain half his salary. I don't like him.

I'd kill to see the Pens get Chris Kreider though. Huge, Fast, skilled LW and hits like a truck. He would open a TON of space for Crosby or Malkin. What the hell could the Pens give the Rangers to trade a 25 year old power forward to a division rival though ? In short nothing but a massive overpayment. I mean you could offer sheet him but I think they would match it come hell or high water.

 

[mpp9]

Nash is a better player than Kreider. If NY would retain, I'd be all over buying low.

 

[xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Nash is a better player than Kreider? Really? When factoring in all variables like cap-hit, fit, age, etc?

Nah, **** Nash. Dude's the most overrated player in the league and has an absurd contract to boot.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I have my doubts that the NYR would be making any big trades with us.

 

[mpp9]

I have my doubts that the NYR would be making any big trades with us.

You're probably right, but Nash has a 12 team list he can be traded to. And we were on it last time around. And we have a surplus PMD to help NY move on from Yandle longterm.

It'd take quite a bit of salary retention because Nash isn't a star player anymore, but for around 5 mil? He's far better than any player we could realistically get our hands on for the cap space and assets we have to give up.