Salary Cap: 2016-17 roster-building part IV | Contract chart, cap info in post #1

[PensandCaps]

How much are you paying Boedker? He's a 30 point ES player per 82 in his career (33 points per 82 this year). Since he obviously won't be getting much PP time here, I don't think it's all that realistic that he breaks 50 points. How much is that worth to you?

Pens BETTER stay away from boedker...

 

[PensandCaps]

I wouldn't. Not unless you had a plan to find a 2C somewhere else. Center is the more important position and Geno controls the play when he is on the ice with competent wingers. Tarasenko can take over a game, but he's been far too invisible for my liking.

Geno has been invisible too. Tarensanko had 40 goals in 80 games, stayed healthy, only gonna get better, while geno is probably on the decline and Will always be hurt every year at one point for a long period of time.

 

[Shady Machine]

Geno has been invisible too. Tarensanko had 40 goals in 80 games, stayed healthy, only gonna get better, while geno is probably on the decline and Will always be hurt every year at one point for a long period of time.

Meh Geno does more away from the puck than Tarasenko IMO. Having said that, it's not just about the assets, but about the fit and building a team. Say you get Tarasenko for Malkin. Who is our 2C to play with him? I think you will figure out real fast how important it is for an elite winger to have a center that can get him the puck and do the little things.

I guess you could go:

xxx-Crosby-Tarasenko
Hagelin-Bones-Kessel
Wilson-Cullen-Hornqvist
Kuhn-Fehr-Rust

Is that really any better than what we have today? I don't think it is.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Sooo horny for nurse and yak....
Do the oilers even need another winger? Do we really want to get rid of the only winger who does well with sid on our team? And most of all, the oilers will not be trading any good dmen, because they need them.

Well then you get back Yak and their top 10 pick. Horny replaces Yak.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I think our offseason moves will very largely depend on how we feel Maatta will bounce back next season. If we expect him to be back to where he was, a LW is priority. But if they view Maatta as a question mark in the top 4, then a top4D becomes our priority. But if we can have Maatta from last season with Letang, Daley, and Dumo, our top 4 is plenty strong. And we even have a solid battle for 5-7 with one of Cole, Schultz, or Pouliot sitting.

 

[Zero Pucks]

How much are you paying Boedker? He's a 30 point ES player per 82 in his career (33 points per 82 this year). Since he obviously won't be getting much PP time here, I don't think it's all that realistic that he breaks 50 points. How much is that worth to you?

Around 5 million, I'd pass if his price tag got over 6. Those are numbers while he was playing in Arizona and broke 50 points playing there before, and he put up better numbers when he was traded to Colorado. Hagelin put up worse number throughout his career, plays a very similar game, and we now know what a gem he is to this team.

What are you willing to pay for Demers?

 

[Randy Butternubs]

How much are you paying Boedker? He's a 30 point ES player per 82 in his career (33 points per 82 this year). Since he obviously won't be getting much PP time here, I don't think it's all that realistic that he breaks 50 points. How much is that worth to you?

Playing devil's advocate, Boedker was a 50 point ES player per 82 in Colorado.

 

[KIRK]

How much are you paying Boedker? He's a 30 point ES player per 82 in his career (33 points per 82 this year). Since he obviously won't be getting much PP time here, I don't think it's all that realistic that he breaks 50 points. How much is that worth to you?

To be clear about our discussion earlier, this kind of lunacy throws a monkey wrench into my plans.

Playing devil's advocate, Boedker was a 50 point ES player per 82 in Colorado.

You have about 8M or so for a winger for Sid and a winger for Geno. Unless you're getting a huge impact guy, I don't think it makes sense to compromise what adding a winger for both Sid and Geno gives you. I'd rather have a Frolik and a Hagelin type than Boeddker and 2-3M in space.

 

[Riptide]

Is a top 4 D and a good winger do-able under the cap? Assuming Kunitz goes obviously, or are we assuming this is with Fleury gone too? I haven't looked at their cap in awhile.

Only if MAF, Kunitz and Fehr are all gone. And even then it would be tight long term. It's also dependent on how good "a good winger" is.

 

[The Greatest 101]

Id trade geno straight up for tarensanko.

Oh I wish.The wingers in St.Louis.

 

[PensandCaps]

Meh Geno does more away from the puck than Tarasenko IMO. Having said that, it's not just about the assets, but about the fit and building a team. Say you get Tarasenko for Malkin. Who is our 2C to play with him? I think you will figure out real fast how important it is for an elite winger to have a center that can get him the puck and do the little things.

I guess you could go:

xxx-Crosby-Tarasenko
Hagelin-Bones-Kessel
Wilson-Cullen-Hornqvist
Kuhn-Fehr-Rust

Is that really any better than what we have today? I don't think it is.

Yah, but sid-tarensenko.
Or even run 3 lines with tarensenko ,sid and kessel on different lines. Id say tarensenko is probably not better right now, but in a year or two, he will be, hamds down.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Only if MAF, Kunitz and Fehr are all gone. And even then it would be tight long term. It's also dependent on how good "a good winger" is.

yeah, realistically I think we can get two pretty good complimentary guys or one real impact guy for those spots. Or if we get two impact guys, one of them will need to be young and break out.

 

[KIRK]

Around 5 million, I'd pass if his price tag got over 6. Those are numbers while he was playing in Arizona and broke 50 points playing there before, and he put up better numbers when he was traded to Colorado. Hagelin put up worse number throughout his career, plays a very similar game, and we now know what a gem he is to this team.

What are you willing to pay for Demers?

Nothing. You're better off setting up Sid and Geno than paying a Demers.

 

[Coastal Kev]

You all laugh off Yakupov like I'm insane and then I read 2 pages of Tarasenko talk????

YEESH....

 

[PensandCaps]

Well then you get back Yak and their top 10 pick. Horny replaces Yak.

Is horny worth top 10 overall pick +yak? No.

Edmonton doesn't need wingers and will most certainly use their top 10 picks for a top 4 dman.

 

[KIRK]

Only if MAF, Kunitz and Fehr are all gone. And even then it would be tight long term. It's also dependent on how good "a good winger" is.

For me, it's a Frolik for a guy like Geno then a Hagelin type for Sid. Nothing over the top. But, the type of help that will show you what people should mean when they say 'Sid and Geno can make due with less'.

Slot 1 top six spot for the kids.

In 2 years, you'll have to make some choices with guys like Horny, but by then you hope the kids have become big impact.

That's how you build and sustain a 3 #1 lines team.

As I keep saying, I think you're much better off empowering Sid, Geno, and Kessel to mitigate your weaknesses than you are in neutering Sid and Geno to add balance to mitigate your weaknesses.

 

[PensandCaps]

You all laugh off Yakupov like I'm insane and then I read 2 pages of Tarasenko talk????

YEESH....

We're also gonna get goligoski and demers. And boadker

 

[Coastal Kev]

Is horny worth top 10 overall pick +yak? No.

Edmonton doesn't need wingers and will most certainly use their top 10 picks for a top 4 dman.

Except for the fact that Pouliot was a top 10 pick and would be 3+ years ahead in development with their pick this year.

 

[Winger for Hire]

Thank you

I'm thinking in terms of a multi player deal. Horny and Pouliot go to Edmonton.

There is great value in that trade for them. Pouliot is further along than any draft pick this year and has tremendous upside potential and Horny provides a warrior leader mentality for a young and up coming team.

Pittsburgh gets back Yakupov- gamble with a huge upside potential. I see him fitting like a glove with either of our top 2 centers.

And options: either their top 10 pick, or a later pick and say Darnell Nurse.

I like it

You've made it clear your preference is to be Horny for Yak laugh

I think we've been down this road enough to leave it at- Keep being you

 

[Shady Machine]

Playing devil's advocate, Boedker was a 50 point ES player per 82 in Colorado.

In a very short window. We've seen that with Perron and others in the past. He does have speed though.

I'm not opposed to going after him. I just think it's a risk to commit top dollar and term to a guy that has produces roughly 30 points at ES in his career. Maybe that becomes 40 or 50 with us, but at over 5MM a year, that's a pretty risky bet.

If he can be had for under 5MM, sign me up.

 

[PensandCaps]

Except for the fact that Pouliot was a top 10 pick and would be 3+ years ahead in development with their pick this year.

Oh so. DP + horny?
DP=YAK
4th OA >>hornqvist

 

[Shady Machine]

Yah, but sid-tarensenko.
Or even run 3 lines with tarensenko ,sid and kessel on different lines. Id say tarensenko is probably not better right now, but in a year or two, he will be, hamds down.

A guy like Tarasenko needs a center that can get him the puck with speed. So does Kessel. We only have 2 of those centers if you move Geno the other way.

I'm not saying it's a BAD trade, I just don't know that it makes us better. To me a FAR better solution is to find a complimentary winger for Geno that's young. We do need to consider the future, but we also need to build a team that can win now.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I think our offseason moves will very largely depend on how we feel Maatta will bounce back next season. If we expect him to be back to where he was, a LW is priority. But if they view Maatta as a question mark in the top 4, then a top4D becomes our priority. But if we can have Maatta from last season with Letang, Daley, and Dumo, our top 4 is plenty strong. And we even have a solid battle for 5-7 with one of Cole, Schultz, or Pouliot sitting.

If Schultz is re-signed, then you have to trade either Cole or Pouliot. I don't see any value to the Pens with having Pouliot spending another year in WBS.

 

[PensandCaps]

A guy like Tarasenko needs a center that can get him the puck with speed. So does Kessel. We only have 2 of those centers if you move Geno the other way.

I'm not saying it's a BAD trade, I just don't know that it makes us better. To me a FAR better solution is to find a complimentary winger for Geno that's young. We do need to consider the future, but we also need to build a team that can win now.

Agree. Hopefully sprong is that winger

 

[Riptide]

You have about 8M or so for a winger for Sid and a winger for Geno. Unless you're getting a huge impact guy, I don't think it makes sense to compromise what adding a winger for both Sid and Geno gives you. I'd rather have a Frolik and a Hagelin type than Boeddker and 2-3M in space.

About the only guy I can think of who fits that mold in FA is McGinn. And he's still going to cost 4m. Or you give up nominal assets for Kulemin (2x4.3m).