2016-17 Kings Roster Part 2

[BigKing]

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for 2nd chances, but he has not done, at least publicly, shown that he's changed.. He has to prove he's changed, at least for me, to even think about the 2nd chance.

Not sure how one goes about proving they've changed in regards to abusing their wife, outside of not abusing her anymore.

 

[damacles1156]

Years later?

Ad-nauseam?

I don't know where you were back in 2011 and 2012, but I was one of the few posters here advocating Dean's approach to winning. I said be patient, because Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick will be the core to get it done.

Fast forward to 2015 and I said it would be a big mistake to give a forward approaching 30 years of age a max contract of 8 years with a cap hit of $10M. I said the same thing about Stamkos in the NHL forum. I'm not picking on Kopitar the person, I'm saying the contract for a player of his ilk was a mistake.

Frankly, I think for some reason it insults your fandom when someone questions whether or not one of your favorite players is worth his contract. If this wasn't a salary cap league it wouldn't matter as much, but GMs can't afford mistakes like the Brown, Gaborik, and Kopitar contracts and see their team stay competitive as cup contenders.

In the salary capped NHL organizations should be one of three things:

1. A cup contender.
2. A young team working toward or being on the verge of being a cup contender.
3. Shedding older players to stockpile picks and prospects to get back to being young and on the verge of being a cup contender.

Right now the Kings are none of these three, and they won't be able to make the kind of trades necessary because the older players on the team have ridiculous cap hits no GM in the NHL would take in a trade.

Dean did a great job getting the Kings two cups. The seasons of 2011-12 through 2013-14 were amazing. Dean let his emotions and sentiment get in the way of doing his job. Exhibit A: Mike Richards.

Glad you're back.

How about those Eight year deals to 28-30 year old players ?

Wowzers.

Boy, the next CBA is going to be an epic battle over contract length.

 

[KingTrouty]

The Voynov ship has sailed guys. Forget about him, it sucks, but it is what it is.

I agree with this, Ziggy. It sucks, but it is what it is.

 

[KingTrouty]

Voynov?

There is no Voynov. Forget about Voynov.

Are you really the smartest in the room? And what kind of room is this? Single occupancy? It says that under your name.

Jk

Rocky Raccoon, this post is an aside

 

[KINGS17]

Are you really the smartest in the room? And what kind of room is this? Single occupancy? It says that under your name.

Jk

Rocky Raccoon, this post is an aside

That slogan is reserved for Dean, not me. It's a dig at those that wanted him fired a long time ago. Unfortunately, Dean may have forgotten some of the basic principles he used to move the Kings into contention in his early years.

The avatar is a little out of date.

 

[KINGS17]

Glad you're back.

How about those Eight year deals to 28-30 year old players ?

Wowzers.

Boy, the next CBA is going to be an epic battle over contract length.

I agree it will be an epic battle, but the players will "lose" again.

The owners will fight for and either get contract limits of 6 years or less, or will win the elimination of the guaranteed contract altogether.

 

[KingTrouty]

That slogan is reserved for Dean, not me. It's a dig at those that wanted him fired a long time ago. Unfortunately, Dean may have forgotten some of the basic principles he used to move the Kings into contention in his early years.

The avatar is a little out of date.

If that slogan is reserved for The Dean, you are good in my book, my friend!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I agree it will be an epic battle, but the players will "lose" again.

The owners will fight for and either get contract limits of 6 years or less, or will win the elimination of the guaranteed contract altogether.

Honestly I wish but I don't think that's EVER going to happen in the NHL. Not without a lengthy locko....oh. You may be right

I thought of you when Burns allegedly signed his 8x8...I pictured you picking up a newspaper for some reason and laughing your ass off!

 

[BigKing]

That slogan is reserved for Dean, not me. It's a dig at those that wanted him fired a long time ago. Unfortunately, Dean may have forgotten some of the basic principles he used to move the Kings into contention in his early years.

The avatar is a little out of date.

I would argue against some of your positions because I wasn't sold on the core pre-Richards trade having what it takes to win the whole thing. We were also at the end of the five year plan and things didn't look terribly awesome.

Results are all that matters and it worked out in the end thanks to Carter not wanting to play in CBJ. Dean was oh-so-close to having this whole thing not come to fruition though.

It's funny that your avatar has gone from laughable, spot-on and then closer to laughable again. Let's hope it goes back to spot-on soon.

 

[Trolfoli]

Years later?

Ad-nauseam?

I don't know where you were back in 2011 and 2012, but I was one of the few posters here advocating Dean's approach to winning. I said be patient, because Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick will be the core to get it done.

Fast forward to 2015 and I said it would be a big mistake to give a forward approaching 30 years of age a max contract of 8 years with a cap hit of $10M. I said the same thing about Stamkos in the NHL forum. I'm not picking on Kopitar the person, I'm saying the contract for a player of his ilk was a mistake.

Frankly, I think for some reason it insults your fandom when someone questions whether or not one of your favorite players is worth his contract. If this wasn't a salary cap league it wouldn't matter as much, but GMs can't afford mistakes like the Brown, Gaborik, and Kopitar contracts and see their team stay competitive as cup contenders.

In the salary capped NHL organizations should be one of three things:

1. A cup contender.
2. A young team working toward or being on the verge of being a cup contender.
3. Shedding older players to stockpile picks and prospects to get back to being young and on the verge of being a cup contender.

Right now the Kings are none of these three, and they won't be able to make the kind of trades necessary because the older players on the team have ridiculous cap hits no GM in the NHL would take in a trade.

Dean did a great job getting the Kings two cups. The seasons of 2011-12 through 2013-14 were amazing. Dean let his emotions and sentiment get in the way of doing his job. Exhibit A: Mike Richards.

I love this garbage! Never seen anyone so proud about being so wrong.

Stamkos took a discount to sign for $8.5M. Kopitar makes a whopping $1.5M more. For those of us who struggle with math I'll show my work. 10-8.5=1.5!!!!!! Dean should have totally let Kopitar walk or traded a franchise center over 1.5M.

1) Kopitar brings in a lot of revenue. He puts butts in the seats.
2) The time he missed this year, the team was absolute garbage. Even if he isn't putting up numbers he's helping by shutting down other teams top lines.
3)The Cap is going up!!!!
4)The Cap isn't a problem with guys like Forbort/Gravel/LaDue getting call ups. Those guys cheap contracts will open up space. Plus some of Mersch (injured) Kempe/Brodz might get a call up in the near future. (year or 2)
5)If you are still freaking out about the cap... ... ... That $1.5M Lombardi overpaid on Kopitar could be made up by letting one of King or Lewis go and replacing them with a call up.
6)If you're still freaking out about the Cap, Greene at $2.5M, who's played 29 games this year and last, could be replaced.

Moving you're multiple cup winning #1C over not even $2M is probably the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time.

 

[King'sPawn]

Years later?

Ad-nauseam?

I don't know where you were back in 2011 and 2012, but I was one of the few posters here advocating Dean's approach to winning. I said be patient, because Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick will be the core to get it done.

Fast forward to 2015 and I said it would be a big mistake to give a forward approaching 30 years of age a max contract of 8 years with a cap hit of $10M. I said the same thing about Stamkos in the NHL forum. I'm not picking on Kopitar the person, I'm saying the contract for a player of his ilk was a mistake.

Frankly, I think for some reason it insults your fandom when someone questions whether or not one of your favorite players is worth his contract. If this wasn't a salary cap league it wouldn't matter as much, but GMs can't afford mistakes like the Brown, Gaborik, and Kopitar contracts and see their team stay competitive as cup contenders.

In the salary capped NHL organizations should be one of three things:

1. A cup contender.
2. A young team working toward or being on the verge of being a cup contender.
3. Shedding older players to stockpile picks and prospects to get back to being young and on the verge of being a cup contender.

Right now the Kings are none of these three, and they won't be able to make the kind of trades necessary because the older players on the team have ridiculous cap hits no GM in the NHL would take in a trade.

Dean did a great job getting the Kings two cups. The seasons of 2011-12 through 2013-14 were amazing. Dean let his emotions and sentiment get in the way of doing his job. Exhibit A: Mike Richards.

Richards I agree was a mistake. I still disagree on your stance with Kopitar, though. Kopitar has led the team in scoring every year except his rookie year and currently this one; incidentally, the leading scorer is older than Kopitar.

And Kopitar has done this while being the team's top defensive forward.

So either the Kings give him a deal that was fair market value, let him walk, or trade him.

You don't let a player like him walk. And while the Kings could trade him to replenish the cupboard, the smarter tactic would have been NOT trading for Sekera and Lucic, and try to develop from within.

And while Kopitar is struggling, if the Kings announced he was available, I am sure most of the GMs would be on the phone. Only teams like Pittsburgh might not call. He's the kind of player every team would want; why try to trade him away?

 

[lordjedediah]

You are all forgetting about the impending lockout and the beautiful amnesty buyouts that come with it! Kopitar's actually only signed until 2020!

 

[theMajor]

Years later?

Ad-nauseam?

I don't know where you were back in 2011 and 2012, but I was one of the few posters here advocating Dean's approach to winning. I said be patient, because Kopitar, Brown, Doughty and Quick will be the core to get it done.

Fast forward to 2015 and I said it would be a big mistake to give a forward approaching 30 years of age a max contract of 8 years with a cap hit of $10M. I said the same thing about Stamkos in the NHL forum. I'm not picking on Kopitar the person, I'm saying the contract for a player of his ilk was a mistake.

Frankly, I think for some reason it insults your fandom when someone questions whether or not one of your favorite players is worth his contract. If this wasn't a salary cap league it wouldn't matter as much, but GMs can't afford mistakes like the Brown, Gaborik, and Kopitar contracts and see their team stay competitive as cup contenders.

In the salary capped NHL organizations should be one of three things:

1. A cup contender.
2. A young team working toward or being on the verge of being a cup contender.
3. Shedding older players to stockpile picks and prospects to get back to being young and on the verge of being a cup contender.

Right now the Kings are none of these three, and they won't be able to make the kind of trades necessary because the older players on the team have ridiculous cap hits no GM in the NHL would take in a trade.

Dean did a great job getting the Kings two cups. The seasons of 2011-12 through 2013-14 were amazing. Dean let his emotions and sentiment get in the way of doing his job. Exhibit A: Mike Richards.

You've been harping on Kopitar since 2015 and havent let up since. I think its safe to say every single regular poster here knows exactly how you feel about him and his contract and yet you still regurgitate the same crap over and over and over again. You are not a fan of Kopitar or his contract, we get it. The simple fact is that if it werent Dean signing him to that deal, another GM would have done so in a heartbeat because he is that good. Elite players are always going to be paid like elite players and that is just a fact that you have to accept. It is fair to criticize the failure to buy-out MR and the Gaborik extension but the Brown and Kopitar contracts were going to happen no matter what. What would you have done instead of giving Kopitar a max term/$ deal? let him walk after what he's done for LA? Who would you replace him with? Do you go full on rebuild mode 2 season removed from a cup? You have no problem pointing out problems but I dont see you offering any tangible solutions. The thing that is killing the Kings the most is the lack of youth/picks, not contracts. As long as you are getting young guns on ELC's to fill roster spots you can weather high AAV contracts and continue to stay competitive, just like Bowman is doing in Chicago. Pointing to Kopitar's contract as a hindrance to this team winning and staying competitive is a complete farce

 

[Winger23]

Not sure how one goes about proving they've changed in regards to abusing their wife, outside of not abusing her anymore.

1st step would be seeking help, but you're right no way to know for sure. Guess we'll never know

 

[deaderhead28]

I would welcome Voynov back as well.He paid the dues...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I would welcome Voynov back as well.He paid the dues...

The issue is would US customs allow him back now that he has a criminal record? And I think he's earning more in Russia now too, so who knows if he even wants to come back. He can beat his wife all he wants in Russia and get away with it.

 

[Stimpythecat]

UCIS probably gave him a 5 year entry ban. The NHL would almost certainly suspend him even if he did come back.

 

[johnjm22]

I don't think the NHL would ever reinstate him. It's bad PR.

More so than other leagues, the NHL's fan base tends to skew towards upper middle class urban whites. This group tends to be more socially conscious than most. Having Voynov back in the league would not be a good look.

 

[tsanuri]

UCIS probably gave him a 5 year entry ban. The NHL would almost certainly suspend him even if he did come back.

The part about the league is almost a given. They protested and didn't allow him to play in the World Cup. So that gives a hint at where they stand.

 

[theMajor]

is Dean evolving?

The Kings’ scoring woes were so bad early in their latest road trip that the bye week that followed nearly became a bye-bye week, as in time to say farewell to a playoff berth this season.

A four-point performance by MVP contender Jeff Carter launched them into their break with a win and possession of the second Western Conference wild card spot. But they’ll face more challenges after they reconvene next week and they can’t count on an impact trade to bail them out before the March 1 deadline.“I don’t see us getting into it, and I certainly don’t see us getting into it to any degree where we’re throwing around first-round picks anymore,” said General Manager Dean Lombardi, who wasted a first-round pick on defenseman Andrej Sekera in 2015 and traded another first-rounder to Boston for Milan Lucic, who left via free agency after one good season.

“You never say never, but I have no problem saying I don’t see us doing anything. I don’t see a difference-maker. … You could always be surprised, but I think we’ve got to focus on what we have.”

http://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la-sp-kings-elliott-20170211-story.html

 

[TruKingFan]

is Dean evolving?



http://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la-sp-kings-elliott-20170211-story.html

More like accepting reality. I'd like to see Kempe called up and given time as Kopi's LW.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I mean, that's pretty much exactly what he said before the season. Thank you for sharing the updated quote though. Just nice to see him stick to his guns though!

 

[kovacro]

I mean, that's pretty much exactly what he said before the season. Thank you for sharing the updated quote though. Just nice to see him stick to his guns though!

We'll see if he sticks to his guns come March 1st.

Don't you dare pillage what remains of the prospect pool Deano, don't you dare.

 

[CTKingsFan]

I agree with Lombardi. There's no need to make any trades. As much as I loved trades, nothing makes sense. Even if they were to move Muzzin or Martinez for a winger, that's an off season move, and even more so a post expansion draft move. With our situation with cap space and under performing veterans. Who the Knights take plays a major role in any significant trades the Kings make.

 

[theMajor]

he also said "we'll see a few players come through" shortly. Idk if he is referring to what he said about expecting Kopitar's numbers to turn around and for him to come through production-wise or if hes alluding to some Ontario players literally coming through. this whole week long break thing sucks