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2016-17 Champions Hockey League

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Lataba76 said:
Yes but the FEL and SEL lost so much Players/Talents to North America and KHL. Despite this Leagues are competitive!
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This talent cap issue is a given for any league. As soon as the player reaches a "NHL" level or "border NHL" level for a young player, he will head for North America ... We Swiss and i guess ALL leagues have this issue. I read that Swedes have something like almost 100 players abroad, Finns the figure was around 70 ... then came Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss, Danes ... with like 20 down to 12 . The difference is of great magnitude.

Countries that have natural ice in winter and where kids play Pond hockey will always be providing players worldwide. It is obviously a huge advantage. Their will never be a matching on that ... unless the planet cools down. With this goes the culture ... and culture translates into some places that are hockey producers ... isn't their a small town Ornskoldsvik in Sweden where, for a 30'000 population, an immense pool of players are coming out, like 15 or 20 huge players ... Forsberg, Sedin's and other alike monsters !!

Scandinavian countries will remain unmatched for some years :laugh: you can be quite.
 
Amazing start to the tourney by the Swiss. Seems like we'll see some fresh, tough competition in the elimination stage. This is really important for the development and acceptance of this "league".
 
torero said:
This talent cap issue is a given for any league. As soon as the player reaches a "NHL" level or "border NHL" level for a young player, he will head for North America ... We Swiss and i guess ALL leagues have this issue. I read that Swedes have something like almost 100 players abroad, Finns the figure was around 70 ... then came Czechs, Slovaks, Swiss, Danes ... with like 20 down to 12 . The difference is of great magnitude.

Countries that have natural ice in winter and where kids play Pond hockey will always be providing players worldwide. It is obviously a huge advantage. Their will never be a matching on that ... unless the planet cools down. With this goes the culture ... and culture translates into some places that are hockey producers ... isn't their a small town Ornskoldsvik in Sweden where, for a 30'000 population, an immense pool of players are coming out, like 15 or 20 huge players ... Forsberg, Sedin's and other alike monsters !!

Scandinavian countries will remain unmatched for some years :laugh: you can be quite.
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sure, but in case of Cz, swe, fin we talking about 70-80 or more players abroad. Not so many swiss players playing abroad imo. Your guys mostly stay at home which I quite dont understand to. FIn and Swe league would be super stronger when they have their players back.

The quality gap between Swe, fin and the rest is still obvious imo. On the other hand I saw some matches between czech and finnish teams this year and despite wins of Turku and Oulu it is obvious that it is much tougher job for them than it was lets say in first season....
 
1-1 Jyp Linkoping after 1st. Good game so far, fun to watch. How good is Jyp in Liiga? Any player to look out for? Didn't recognize anyone in lineup.
 
Jablkon said:
sure, but in case of Cz, swe, fin we talking about 70-80 or more players abroad. Not so many swiss players playing abroad imo. Your guys mostly stay at home which I quite dont understand to. FIn and Swe league would be super stronger when they have their players back.

The quality gap between Swe, fin and the rest is still obvious imo. On the other hand I saw some matches between czech and finnish teams this year and despite wins of Turku and Oulu it is obvious that it is much tougher job for them than it was lets say in first season....
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I guess it's all about money. Salaries are probably higher in Switzerland compared to other leagues in Europe or even in AHL (in case they don't make it into the NHL team).
 
Jablkon said:
sure, but in case of Cz, swe, fin we talking about 70-80 or more players abroad. Not so many swiss players playing abroad imo. Your guys mostly stay at home which I quite dont understand to. FIn and Swe league would be super stronger when they have their players back.

The quality gap between Swe, fin and the rest is still obvious imo. On the other hand I saw some matches between czech and finnish teams this year and despite wins of Turku and Oulu it is obvious that it is much tougher job for them than it was lets say in first season....
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Probably i do not remember well the figures of the Czechs i read ... actually it was exclusively about NHL ... But you were way under the SWE and FIN as a solid 3rd.

As per why Swiss do not go abroad ... our league is good, the organisation is good, and salaries are good. Why go somewhere else for a lower niveau (except SEL and KHL) to earn less ? Good Swiss players have specially good salaries ... since the foreigners are limited in number. The difference will be made on Swiss quality players... therefore they make more money ... and prefer to stay.

Their could be more players in NHL actually, but some (who are NHL borderline) don't want to go because they know they will be subject to different treatment. Roman Wick or Andres Ambuhl tried but came back having been treated very badly and unfairly. (i saw some games where they were head and shoulders above their peers in AHL and they were still kept on the 3rd line ... with poor line mates. In parallel these two players were playing at paar with the big NHL stars in the Olympic games in Vancouver, some nonsense was going on.) i can't understand why, they couldn't understand neither and came back ... and said **** the NHL ... we are fine at home. Which they are, receiving at least an entry level salary but without the 50% taxes ... for a shorter championship ... .

Look at the Frenchs or the Danes ... they have a poor lieague, therefore they expatriate as soon as they can to the AHL let's say. It is way better than their league. Why should a Swiss go to the AHL ? appart of he is in a transition year between NLA and NHL ... he has no other reason.
 
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Most swedes who leave for North America get a two way contract. They usually start in AHL. They know this

They fight and hope for a regular spot in NHL. Most dont make it

I guess its different mentality in Switzerland.

Dream comes first, money second
 
torero said:
Probably i do not remember well the figures of the Czechs i read ... actually it was exclusively about NHL ... But you were way under the SWE and FIN as a solid 3rd.

As per why Swiss do not go abroad ... our league is good, the organisation is good, and salaries are good. Why go somewhere else for a lower niveau (except SEL and KHL) to earn less ? Good Swiss players have specially good salaries ... since the foreigners are limited in number. The difference will be made on Swiss quality players... therefore they make more money ... and prefer to stay.

Their could be more players in NHL actually, but some (who are NHL borderline) don't want to go because they know they will be subject to different treatment. Roman Wick or Andres Ambuhl tried but came back having been treated very badly and unfairly. (i saw some games where they were head and shoulders above their peers in AHL and they were still kept on the 3rd line ... with poor line mates. In parallel these two players were playing at paar with the big NHL stars in the Olympic games in Vancouver, some nonsense was going on.) i can't understand why, they couldn't understand neither and came back ... and said **** the NHL ... we are fine at home. Which they are, receiving at least an entry level salary but without the 50% taxes ... for a shorter championship ... .

Look at the Frenchs or the Danes ... they have a poor lieague, therefore they expatriate as soon as they can to the AHL let's say. It is way better than their league. Why should a Swiss go to the AHL ? appart of he is in a transition year between NLA and NHL ... he has no other reason.
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I am aware of this attitude. But when you look to KHL, SEL, FEL there are almost no swiss players, how many of them are in NHL?15? How many draftees? 4 every year. It might be too simple logic but it seems to me that, despite undoubtful quality, swiss guys from NLA dont go that much directly from this league to NHL.I would therefore try to go to better league like KHL or to try it in AHL to get to NHL. Ambuhl is older so I can quite accept it. But Cervenka's case was similar. And later everybody conclude that he was simply not enough hungry to battle for spot. Unless you are not Malkin, no one is waiting for you in NHL.

Especially when you are young you should find ways how to fullfil your goals. If it does not go through NLA, i would try KHL. Dont know. Maybe general view in Switzerland is that KHL wouldnt help their players that much. Czechs using different way and if they dont sign NHL/ AHL contract, they try to go to KHL to try to get to NHL from there( i.e. realisticaľly when they are 26). Sure older guys are going to KHL to earn money but younger ones consider it as another development step...
 
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lakers11 said:
Most swedes who leave for North America get a two way contract. They usually start in AHL. They know this

They fight and hope for a regular spot in NHL. Most dont make it

I guess its different mentality in Switzerland.

Dream comes first, money second
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Same here. Thats basically what I wanted to say...quantity and success rate is uncomparable though...
 
Frölunda and Växjö are the only teams so far to have qualified to the next round. Is that how I'm supposed to interpret the '-q' in the standings?

Anyone predicting any upsets here?

Luleå is in trouble in what is arguably the toughest group in the tourney (Group I).

KalPa could miss out in Group N. SAIK will make short work of Vienna at home and then Vienna and Kalpa will go head to head in two straight. KalPa need two wins, home and away. Vienna could settle for a home win.

Group C is an odd group. As I see it, there's a good possibility that all three teams will end up with 6 points. Wonder who will qualify in that case.
 
Slimmy said:
Group C is an odd group. As I see it, there's a good possibility that all three teams will end up with 6 points. Wonder who will qualify in that case.
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According the CHL website ties are resolved as follows.

Points from "head-to-head" games (can't be used in a three way tie) -> goal difference -> more goals scored (against the other tied team)

Which should hopefully be enough. Not sure if "most scored goals in a single game" will be used in a three way tie if it isn't enough. And if nothing can separate the teams they will use rankings based of last year's tournament.

If only two teams are tied they can play a shootout as a last resort, if they happen to play each other in the final game.

http://www.championshockeyleague.net/regulations


Also.... the teams in group G have only played two games. :amazed:
 
Thanks for the rundown.
Lot's of interesting matchups today. Looking forward to HIFK v. Zug, Davos v. Djurgården and Linköping v. Jyp.
 
Refs wtf, that hit was ok, player put his head down, basic rule in hockey - don't do that at the very last moment when hit is coming....5 mins + game, i think it's way too much.
 
Jablkon said:
Especially when you are young you should find ways how to fullfil your goals. If it does not go through NLA, i would try KHL. Dont know. Maybe general view in Switzerland is that KHL wouldnt help their players that much. Czechs using different way and if they dont sign NHL/ AHL contract, they try to go to KHL to try to get to NHL from there( i.e. realisticaľly when they are 26). Sure older guys are going to KHL to earn money but younger ones consider it as another development step...
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I, personally, would do as you say. Nothing is worth some years abroad ... it broadens anyone's shoulders and whatever field you are in. Sport or other professional activities ... even non professional !

Abroad you are forced to be better. And you generally make it.
 
joshyedge said:
Today's schedule is stacked. Let's just hope Davos vs Djurgarden isn't a blow out again
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Nope :D

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Out of curiousity, what is the player budget per team in NLA? How much does ZSC Lions spend? Its weird we have the budgets for SHL and Liiga but nothing on NLA
 
lakers11 said:
Out of curiousity, what is the player budget per team in NLA? How much does ZSC Lions spend? Its weird we have the budgets for SHL and Liiga but nothing on NLA
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For the first team of ZSC including staff the budget is approximately 13.5 Mio CHF (12.3 Mio Euro).
 
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