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WJC: 2016 — USA Roster Talk

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phamburg said:
Apparently Jack Roslovic and Kyle Connor were the key to the US attack. Who knew?

I guess Matthews, Tkachuk, DeBrincat, Milano, Boeser, Dvorak, White, Schmaltz, Bellows and Keller will have to handle the offensive workload by themselves. Oh well.
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Hey well who knows Ron Wilson will probably cut half those guys anyways!!!
 
nelsojc said:
Hey well who knows Ron Wilson will probably cut half those guys anyways!!!
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How many BC, BU, Michigan, Miami, N Dakota, N Dame, London and Kitchener games have you watched this season ?

The USA staff, a number of NHL scouts that were helping evaluate the kids from beginning of season, plus Ron Wilson himself has been out watching these kids for the season. Don't forget that they were in Lake Placid for over a week also.

Everyone wants to talk about who got snubbed but I have yet to see 1 post on Macinnis, who was cut in Lake Placid, worked his tail off all season, and EARNED his spot in Boston.

I give credit to the staff that evaluated the kids. I don't agree with all the picks but this situation shows that they were out there watching
 
Mickey the mouse said:
How many BC, BU, Michigan, Miami, N Dakota, N Dame, London and Kitchener games have you watched this season ?

The USA staff, a number of NHL scouts that were helping evaluate the kids from beginning of season, plus Ron Wilson himself has been out watching these kids for the season. Don't forget that they were in Lake Placid for over a week also.

Everyone wants to talk about who got snubbed but I have yet to see 1 post on Macinnis, who was cut in Lake Placid, worked his tail off all season, and EARNED his spot in Boston.

I give credit to the staff that evaluated the kids. I don't agree with all the picks but this situation shows that they were out there watching
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Just don't even respond to that clown anymore. I rarely check this thread anymore because of all the bullcrap. The decisions were made, I don't agree on Roslovic but oh well. I still like this team and think they have a chance here. Anybody that sees the roster we will put together and thinks they are a 2nd tier team in this tournament just doesn't watch much hockey outside of their comfort zone.
 
Mr Writer said:
it doesn't really matter what the relevance or significance is of the underage tag in relation to one player's b-day/b-year compared to another. Any player with eligibility remaining after this year is an underage player. That's really all there is to it.
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Usually the underager tag applies to the guys who have to wear the full face mask, which applies to people born after December 31st 1997. His list basically just listed the draft eligible players, who have 1 year left after this which is the same as Boeser and White.
 
93LEAFS said:
Usually the underager tag applies to the guys who have to wear the full face mask, which applies to people born after December 31st 1997. His list basically just listed the draft eligible players, who have 1 year left after this which is the same as Boeser and White.
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Gord Miller says that and that has about as much relevance as his other tag line "here we go" at puck drop. It has no relevance whatsoever.
 
Mr Writer said:
Gord Miller says that and that has about as much relevance as his other tag line "here we go" at puck drop. It has no relevance whatsoever.
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Its used by practically the whole panel, including McKenzie. But I'd like to know the main intention by the original poster, because it was strange to just list the late born 97's and the 98's, without including a single early 97. It seemed an odd grouping, as it seems he wouldn't of applied the undeager tag to Werenski, Boeser, and White.
 
93LEAFS said:
Its used by practically the whole panel, including McKenzie. But I'd like to know the main intention by the original poster, because it was strange to just list the late born 97's and the 98's, without including a single early 97. It seemed an odd grouping, as it seems he wouldn't of applied the undeager tag to Werenski, Boeser, and White.
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some people don't realize that the birthday cutoff for the draft and the birthday cutoff for the tournament are 2 different days. It appears he was just listing all the draft eligible players as if they would be the underagers, but for this tournament the late 97's yet to be drafted are the same age as the early 97's already drafted.

I wouldn't consider Matthews all that different from Werenski(age wise), it's literally less than 2 months, they just fall on the opposite ends of the NHL draft cutoff so the non-drafted guys often get perceived as much younger when some of them really aren't
 
FLYguy3911 said:
Why is that?
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Wow, I would think the answer is pretty obvious from the flood of comments all outlining the same puzzling omissions. You just can't leave off several of your best prospects & replace them with a bunch of up and comers & expect the same results.

I mean we're not talking controversial choices here, we're talking guys like Tuch, Connor, garland, Bracco, Roslovik & others -- most were picked high in the draft (suggesting that they have done very well in the past) and most are having very good years this year as well.

It is a puzzling process that the USA team is using in assessing their needs -- we'll just have to see how it works out.
 
Mickey the mouse said:
How many BC, BU, Michigan, Miami, N Dakota, N Dame, London and Kitchener games have you watched this season ?

The USA staff, a number of NHL scouts that were helping evaluate the kids from beginning of season, plus Ron Wilson himself has been out watching these kids for the season. Don't forget that they were in Lake Placid for over a week also.

Everyone wants to talk about who got snubbed but I have yet to see 1 post on Macinnis, who was cut in Lake Placid, worked his tail off all season, and EARNED his spot in Boston.

I give credit to the staff that evaluated the kids. I don't agree with all the picks but this situation shows that they were out there watching
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Yea I don't get this. These people certainly know what they're doing. Both in Hockey Canada and in USA Hockey.
 
troubabooster said:
Wow, I would think the answer is pretty obvious from the flood of comments all outlining the same puzzling omissions. You just can't leave off several of your best prospects & replace them with a bunch of up and comers & expect the same results.

I mean we're not talking controversial choices here, we're talking guys like Tuch, Connor, garland, Bracco, Roslovik & others -- most were picked high in the draft (suggesting that they have done very well in the past) and most are having very good years this year as well.

It is a puzzling process that the USA team is using in assessing their needs -- we'll just have to see how it works out.
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They're not picking the best NHL prospects though. I get two of your prospects missed the cut, but they are trying to put together the best team for 4 weeks down the road. Are they outsmarting themselves? Possibly, but they know more than you or I do.
 
FLYguy3911 said:
Are they outsmarting themselves? Possibly, but they know more than you or I do.
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They actually don't if you follow some of the behind the scenes stuff with the Olympic team. It's very much an old boys club and they like who they like for specific, often stupid reasons.
 
BeSeeingYouSeattle said:
A tier below? :laugh:

I hope this comment was meant as a joke. Because it definitely comes off as a joke.
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Well to be fair, when you have a guy like Brandon Fortunato attending your camp, and Ryan Collins is a returning D man, that sort of puts you in a little bit of a tier below Canada. Those two guys would be around 20-30 on the Canadian D depth chart IMO. That said, I think the US has a very deep and explosive group of forwards and will still have some D that are good players. The goaltending is a toss up, as it is for any team in a short tournament.
 
islesfan3991 said:
This team really needs Carolina to let Hanifin play.
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Honestly I have a hard time seeing that happen. Yeah, it's not like Carolina is trying to make the playoffs or anything, but I also truly don't think they're intending to tank. Hanifin is playing very well and getting the third most minutes on the Canes' blueline of late.

If I were Carolina, I would definitely let him go because it might be good to get away from that losing atmosphere for a bit and playing against juniors again would give him a helluva confidence boost.

93LEAFS said:
Unless you also consider White, Werenski and Boeser underagers then Matthews, Tkachuck and Debrinecat aren't. All are 97's just born later in the year and therefore aren't eligible to be drafted til this year.
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To be honest, I was just talking undrafted players. If you wanna be technical...



Can Canadians go talk about the US team somewhere else? It's very hard to have constructive conversation when you insist on coming in here solely to insult us. Besides, let's not count our chickens before they're hatched. I don't really like this roster, but the last time I disliked a roster so much was 2013, and look how that turned out.
 
I mean anything can happen in a short tourney but we usually win when we have elite goaltending and defense. Not seeing it this year.
 
To me an underage player is anyone who is eligible for the age group below. If you're a 97 born player, then you're too old for the U-18, so where do you play? Only option is U-20. That's why I believe the definition of an underage player is anyone who can play at an age group below the U-20.
 
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