WJC: 2016 — Sweden Roster Talk
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joe89
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Nonsense imo.
Lindblom and Holmström are key producers on the 1st and 3rd ranked teams in the SHL. Kempe is comparable with them. Then you have the terrific puck possession duo of Eriksson Ek and Asplund. Add top of the line skilled players like Timashov and Alex Nylander and a bunch of energy guys to that.
On D they have two of the best defensemen in the tournament in Aho and Forsling, and Jacob Larsson who has improved a lot since last season. Guys like Carlsson and Englund have lots of experience against men and are reliable.
They have great goaltending as well.
This is a huge team with a lot of experience playing high speed hockey against adults. William Nylander is definately the best player on the team, but he's just the icing on the cake. Without him I would still have them as the favorites to win it all.
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TheBeastCoast
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The team that finishes 3rd would be lined up to face the 1st place team in the semi's wouldn't they?
Canada4Gold
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TheBeastCoast
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I assumed by the medals he meant the medal games, I mean getting a pass on facing a top team in the quarters isn't that unusual plus the team that finishes third will probably end up with Russia or Finland in the quarter's.
X66
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You believe Sweden has the strongest team on paper, and cite a few key players, but it's obvious that you have not yet seen the US and Canadian rosters.
Without William Nylander, you make claims like this...
That is your opinion, and that's fine.
But if you think any team would take the likes of:
Kempe
Lindblom
Holmstrom
Eriksson Ek
Timashov
A.Nylander
Over the likes of:
Marner
Point
Strome
Virtanen
Barzal
Crouse
Konecny
You're mistaken.
Sweden's defence is good, but then again is it definitively better than:
Hicketts
Sanheim
Dermott
Mckeown
Chabot
Juulsen
Fleury
?
The US also has a dynamic roster, and IMO the potential favourites.
Sweden is a great team with W.Nylander, and a very good team without him. Just my two cents, no need to get over sensitive.
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TheBeastCoast
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Good thing he was responding to somebody talking about what the teams look like on paper then.
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djf
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Nope. Haven't watched A.Nylander and Timashow much, but i'd rather have players who perform against real men on big ice on a daily basis than players who put up great numbers against avarage competition on small ice.
Holmström, Lindblom, Eriksson Ek, Asplund, Grundström, is going to be great this tourney, add Kempe and Willie Nylander to that. I still think we would be one of the favourites without W.Nylander.
By the way, it's pretty hard to compare players they way you are doing, for example, can you explain why a guy like Dylan Strome would perform better than a guy like Lindblom or Holmström? (in a serious, non childish way please, otherwise don't bother)
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I'm glad that you atleast backed up your point now. Now we can have a discussion.
There's no doubt that Canada's team is more talented, but it's slightly underaged, and that gives Sweden an edge.
I would definately pick Kempe, Lindblom and Holmström over Marner, Point and Virtanen. Eriksson Ek is not hugely behind Barzal. Very different players though. Timashov is atleast comparable with Konecny imo. Alex Nylander is not a top 6 player on the swedish roster, he might not even make the lineup, (I think he will) but Asplund and Vejdemo over Crouse and Strome is not a huge downgrade. Vejdemo is a deadly speedy winger who have really stepped it up this season, and Asplund is a very good two-way forward.
On D, it's harder to compare, but imo this is where Sweden really shines. The swedish D have a proven record of being defensively responsible against men. A bunch of PPG players in the canadian juniors doesn't impress me. Forsling, Larsson, Englund and Aho are all key players on their SHL teams, and two of them play on the top 2 teams in the league. In terms of offense, both Forsling and Aho were very productive last year, and they are even better this year. Larsson will most likely contribute quite a bit as well.
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Zaddy
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I agree with the other posters in this thread. Canada's team is very talented but a lot of that talent is underage. This is a tournament where just one year can make a huge difference and not only that but most of the swedish roster has lots of experience playing against men. That's a big advantage. They do not have the sexiest names but you really shouldn't mistake that for not being good enough. So many of these guys are playing big roles and producing well against men already, whether it's in SHL, AHL or NCAA. Honestly, I don't know when Sweden had a team this experienced the last time.
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VictorLustig
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Excellent. Eriksson Ek is just the guy I wanted to see with William. Not sold on the Nylander's on the same line but that's something you just have to try.
http://bloggar.expressen.se/sjoberg/2015/12/sveriges-powerplayuppstallningar/
Same 1st PP unit as last year.
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Tkachuk Norris
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The fact Kylington is not on this team is a joke. He's been outstanding as an 18 year old d-man in the AHL, that doesn't happen. I wonder what he did?
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JZCislesHockey
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Because our coach is just really bad, and unfortunately it will be him that run the team in the WC as well, so count him him taking Grossman over Klingberg.
Canada4Gold
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"on paper" is based completely on how good you think the players are, and for a bunch of these players people don't watch regularly so they wouldn't have the most informed decision, so it's not a shock that different people have different opinions on who is better on paper. I think they're pretty close, Sweden is older so that could help them.
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