WJC: 2016 — Finland Roster Talk

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I thought it was some kind of stand they hang the goalie gloves on to dry. Get the picture?:sarcasm:

I guess this would be the time to reveal my lifelong trauma over my Dumbo ears...:cry:

But yeah, he seems redundant as his job description seems to be making retiring players cry and these kids are in their teens. See you in 20, Kaj.
 
I know I am extremely biased towards Saarela, but he should be moved up to the Rantanen and Kapanen line. He's much better than Hintz.
 
Rantanen flew half way around the world, didn't get any time to practice with the team and is most likely suffering from jet lag, it's not the end of the world, give him time.
 
Rantanen needs to play RW. There's no point neutralizing the guy who very much SHOULD be the best player in our team by placing him on the wrong spot and making him suffer from being on the same line with Kapanen (who has played reasonably well but is still not the kind of team player that would benefit or gain significant benefit from Rantanen).

Laine-Aho-Puljujärvi
Lammikko-Hintz-Rantanen
Saarela-Nättinen-Kapanen
Björkqvist-Siikonen-Repo
 
Team Finland right now.

Booms
Puljujärvi
Aho
Laine
Saarela.
Juolevi
Björkqvist

Busts
Nättinen
Rantanen
Kapanen
Hintz
Vehviläinen ( one tournaments ( U18 silver) miracle)
Niku
Mikkola
Saarijärvi
Sopanen
Siikonen
Lammikko
Repo
Tuulola.
Keskitalo

If I were Jukka Jalonen I would have taked Urho Vaakanainen, Miro Karjalainen,Markus Niemeläinen, Juuso Välimäki,Henrik Borgstöm, Jonne Tammela, and Oliver Felixson.
in the team instead of Eetu Sopanen,Niko Mikkola, Sami Niku, Joni Tuulola, Miska Siikonen, Roope Hintz and Miro Keskitalo .

Lineups would were next.

1st line Laine Aho Puljujärvi
Juolevi Välimäki

2nd line Rantanen Lammikko Kapanen
Saarijärvi Niemeläinen

3rd line Repo Nättinen Borgström
Vaakanainen Felixson

4th line Tammela Kalapudas Björkqvist
7th dman Miro Karjalainen

Goalies
Kähkönen
Vehviläinen
Heljanko.
 
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It was just one game no need for panic, one strange game tho
It's easy to understand people are PO though, losing this potentially meant losing a free pass to semis. Still, folks need to cool their heels and understand nothing is lost yet.

That being said, it was definitely a good example of what kind of rollercoasters these junior games can be. The momentum just swings from one side to the other completely wantonly.

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Now...

A lot went wrong of course, meaning a lot of fixes need to happen for the next game. Some are easy, some not so. So, where to start...

Our defense actually IS better than that. They just were snakebit for a very simple reason: After those first two Russian PP goals, they were deathly afraid of penalties. Somewhat rightfully so, as we're going to need better PK going forward, but if you're gonna lose the game on special teams, you're gonna lose on special teams. You can't let that affect your basic 5on5 play. Only one who didn't seem to be shy along the boards was Sopanen. Size or skill was not the issue - it was inside their head. In that sense, crying after cageheads like Niemeläinen, as somebody so eloquently did above, would probably be no solution at all. Since younger players are usually even more prone to this pitfall.

Due to the rollercoaster nature of the game, it's actually pretty hard to say who our best forward was. However, it's relatively easy to say who our most even, most mistake-free forward was. That was Saarela. Also most consistent on point, which made me think maybe he needs a promotion... but I'll get on that later.

Then... I'm not saying this is all Vehviläinen's fault, but we're going to need better goaltending than that going forward. After reviewing all of Russia's goals, as painful as it was, I have to say that a goalie more in the zone would have caught a LOT of those. One by one...

1-1 Not his fault, cross-ice pass + world class onetimer.
2-3 It's always tough being one-on-one with an opposing player like that... but it's still something a good goalie *can* cover.
3-3 Not his fault, unlucky bounce from Keskitalo's skates.
4-3 Definitely something he should have caught. I'd say almost inexcusable.
5-3 Another sloppy play covering that post.
6-4 Umm... where was he going? Trying to leap on top of the puck when it was in possession of the opposing player? All he had to do again was to cover that post and trust the D handles the rest.

So... three, maybe four of those were completely coverable IMO. That being said, it's probably not due to lack of skill, but lack of maturity - like our defensive issues - all mental. Vehviläinen knew he was in a spot to grab the starter spot... and that probably brought a bit of extra shakiness to his game.

There's no reason to beat on the kid too much, but regardless... I think the ball is in Kähkönen's court now.

Now, forwards... let's start with the good, and - more specifically - what's the bad in them. No matter how flashy and entertaining Laine-Aho-Pulju -line is, and I'm certainly not saying they should be broken down, but I still think it's too much to ask if they're put in a position where they're expected to carry the rest of the team across the finishing line. Certainly not in the same manner Mäenalanen-Teräväinen-Lehkonen did two years ago. They're a good unit to have when the game is going our way - the proverbial icing on the cake - but when the kettle is starting to cook and the pressure builds, we're going to need another unit to throw on the ice.

Like I alluded, I'd like to see that line built around Saarela. He could be the guy who - and this is not a slight against Kapanen or Hintz, who were both very good today and on Saturday - jumpstarts Rantanen. Then, finally, we could build yet another line with the main purpose to serve Kapanen.

So, here's what I propose...

Hintz - Saarela - Rantanen
Laine - Aho - Puljujärvi
Kapanen - Nättinen - Repo
Björkqvist - Siikonen - Lammikko

What comes to our faceoff issues, it's perhaps only a partial fix. As a good side, it puts Saarela in a natural position to grab the most important ones. Aho isn't of course very good with them since he isn't a natural centerman, but I guess it's something we just have to overlook because the line does so nice things otherwise. Finally, Nättinen and Siikonen... well, they just need to pick it up, it's as simple as that. And both should have it in themselves. Again, it was perhaps in part just another of those mental issues. When things start going the opponent's way, a young mind just gets extra cute with even the most mundane of things.

It's a good thing the journey is still underway.
 
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I'm speechless.

E: after the post before the one above
 
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Good thing is that we've seen we are a fast team that can dominate, the bad thing is that we can be brutal defensively and destroy that 1st part.

We need to be Dallas Stars and score 4-6 goals per game, can't see this team shutting down top teams and we need to find chemistry, making a lot of bad decisions.
 
Good thing is that we've seen we are a fast team that can dominate, the bad thing is that we can be brutal defensively and destroy that 1st part.

We need to be Dallas Stars and score 4-6 goals per game, can't see this team shutting down top teams and we need to find chemistry, making a lot of bad decisions.

With better PK and goaltending, we would've conceded a maximum of three times. Just have to hope that the failure of those two things was an anomaly and can be fixed.
 
What the hell Nättinen is even doing on the PK? He is awful on faceoffs and worst one of our centers defensively.

I was also wondering about that... Probably just one of those "everyone has a special teams job" situations. Still should be Siikonen, Lammikko or Saarela on the first unit IMO. One of Siikonen and Hintz should be on the wing in general instead of Saarela.
 
Laine-Aho-Puljujärvi
Rantanen-Nättinen-Saarela
Lammikko-Kalapudas-Kapanen
Björkvist-Siikonen-Repo
-4th line worked well enough in last game so I wouldn't change it.

13. Hintz

Kähkönen
 
Team Finland booms right now.
Puljujärvi
Aho
Laine
Saarela.
Juolevi
Björkqvist

Busts
Nättinen
Rantanen
Kapanen
Hintz
Vehviläinen ( one tournaments ( U18 silver) miracle)
Niku
Mikkola
Saarijärvi
Sopanen
Siikonen
Lammikko
Repo
Tuulola.
Keskitalo

If I were Jukka Jalonen I would have taked Urho Vaakanainen, Miro Karjalainen,Markus Niemeläinen, Juuso Välimäki,Henrik Borgstöm, Jonne Tammela, and Oliver Felixson.
in the team instead of Eetu Sopanen,Niko Mikkola, Sami Niku, Joni Tuulola, Miska Siikonen, Roope Hintz and Miro Keskitalo .

Lineups would were next.

1st line Laine Aho Puljujärvi
Juolevi Välimäki

2nd line Rantanen Lammikko Kapanen
Saarijärvi Niemeläinen

3rd line Repo Nättinen Borgström
Vaakanainen Felixson

4th line Tammela Kalapudas Björkqvist
7th dman Miro Karjalainen

Goalies
Kähkönen
Vehviläinen
Heljanko.

So Saarela is the healthy scratch? :facepalm:
 
I'm speechless.

E: after the post before the one above

What was to been expected, either one of scenarios;

A Team goes to bliss, everything goes like in a dream. Way too easy win, which ultimately leads to regression.

B Totally collapse of system, at some point, sooner or later it will happen. Time to do a reality check and build a better team.

To be honest I wished last one.. Who would guess we will get both :laugh:
 
Six exemption ( Laine,Aho, Puljujärvi,Saarela, Juolevi and Björkqvist) except.
This Finnish world junior team hasn't next things.

No national pride
No heart
No honor
No patriotism

To play that lion logo in their game jerseys.
If we ( Finns) wanna win this tourney WE CAN'T BE one lines team.

Our goalies are mediocre defence average and Offence awesome.
When i said earlier offence wins games defense and goal tending wins championships. I meant that melt down what happen tonight in our home-ice

We don't have
Defense and Goal-tending

We have only
Offence

And that's NOT ENOUGH TO WIN WORLD JUNIOR GOLD.
Tonight's melt down was unacceptable fiasco and totally embarrassment to our home crowd.

This team isn't world junior gold caliber yet.
In next games this team IS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY LIKE THIS than they did tonight against Russia.
 
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FinnHockeyFan so you wanted that our team is even more inexperienced..? It is already now and it shows. Puljujärvi and Laine can play at the 2018 WJC. Can't believe what I saw in your post.
 
Team Finland booms right now.
Puljujärvi
Aho
Laine
Saarela.
Juolevi
Björkqvist

Busts
Nättinen
Rantanen
Kapanen
Hintz
Vehviläinen ( one tournaments ( U18 silver) miracle)
Niku
Mikkola
Saarijärvi
Sopanen
Siikonen
Lammikko
Repo
Tuulola.
Keskitalo

If I were Jukka Jalonen I would have taked Urho Vaakanainen, Miro Karjalainen,Markus Niemeläinen, Juuso Välimäki,Henrik Borgstöm, Jonne Tammela, and Oliver Felixson.
in the team instead of Eetu Sopanen,Niko Mikkola, Sami Niku, Joni Tuulola, Miska Siikonen, Roope Hintz and Miro Keskitalo .

Lineups would were next.

1st line Laine Aho Puljujärvi
Juolevi Välimäki

2nd line Rantanen Lammikko Kapanen
Saarijärvi Niemeläinen

3rd line Repo Nättinen Borgström
Vaakanainen Felixson

4th line Tammela Kalapudas Björkqvist
7th dman Miro Karjalainen

Goalies
Kähkönen
Vehviläinen
Heljanko.

Huh. Wonder why you're not coaching the team.

For dummies, :sarcasm:
 
So, that was that then. Tomorrow's a new day. Moving on. A very entertaining game for sure, if only the outcome had been better.

I agree with most of FiLe's points. There needs to be another line capable of scoring on a constant basis, you can't expect two 17-year-olds to lead the team on the ice (or off it, for that matter). Right now it looks like Saarela's our best chance of creating the other scoring line. Rantanen's play will probably improve as we move forward, but the fact is that we need these kids to score more and someone has to lead the team. If it can't be Rantanen, then we need to find someone else, at least until he gets over the jet lag and gets used to playing in the big rink again.

As far as the Russia game goes, it was pretty much straight from "Awful Defense: 101". Keskitalo scored twice, in the wrong net, and just about all dmen were passive as hell everytime a Russian entered the DZ with the puck. Unacceptable. Jalonen needs to address this issue immediately.

Vehviläinen was so insecure that I was scared every time Russia had the puck near our net. Kudos to him for getting his act (somewhat) together for the 3rd period though. Nevertheless, his performance level tonight was unacceptably bad and Kähkönen needs to play on Wednesday.
 
Saarela as top-6 C I'm also fine with as suggested by others.

Repo/Lammikko/Kapanen-Saarela-Rantanen

Start without Kapanen first and see if Mikko Rantanen can find his game with completely new line mates and fine tune it later by adding Kapanen if it doesn't work perfectly and see what happens.
 
Six exemption ( Laine,Aho, Puljujärvi,Saarela, Juolevi and Björkqvist) except.
This Finnish world junior team hasn't next things.

No national pride
No heart
No honor
No patriotism

To play that lion logo in their game jerseys.
If we ( Finns) wanna this tourney WE CAN'T BE one lines team.

Our goalies are mediocre defence average and Offence awesome.
When i said earlier offence wins games defense and goal tending wins championships. I meant that melt down what happen tonight in our home-ice

We don't have
Defense and Goal-tending

We have only
Offence

And that's NOT ENOUGH TO WIN WORLD JUNIOR GOLD.
Tonight's melt down was unacceptable fiasco and totally embarrassment to our home crowd.

This team isn't world junior gold caliber yet.
In next games this team IS NOT ALLOWED TO PLAY LIKE THIS than they did tonight against Russia.

Dude are you for real? :D:D :D
 
What the hell Nättinen is even doing on the PK? He is awful on faceoffs and worst one of our centers defensively.

http://stats.iihf.com/Hydra/419/IHM419B09_74_3_0.pdf

Faceoffs. Aho is the only center with over 50%. Siikonen is supposed to be good but he was 10%

Nättinen isn't bad defensively, he's a responsible two-way guy. Don't know about his faceoff abilities, maybe he's been better in the OHL? :dunno:

Faceoffs aside, I don't think he made any glaring mistakes tonight.
 
I'm not sure what National pride and patriotism got to do with a hockey team. Or should. I see them as a private thing of an individual. Like religion etc.

Skill, heart, honor, team spirit, effort, strength, attitude, mental toughness, hockey-IQ, sisu.. are qualities that a national team hockey player should have IMO.
 
Nättinen isn't bad defensively, he's a responsible two-way guy. Don't know about his faceoff abilities, maybe he's been better in the OHL?
Nättinen has been about a 50% faceoff guy in the OHL. His current stat says out of 394 drawn this season, 185 won.
 

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