WJC: 2016 — Finland Roster Talk

[Ville231]

Anyone else think Kapanen has played solid? He's been pretty noticeable imo. Still need to see the production though

Yeah, I definitely think Kapanen has been the best player from the first line, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. If you play that kind of role you just have to get your name on the scoresheet, one way or another. And one issue with Kapanen is that he kind of plays his own game inside the 5on5 team game.

 

[X66]

Yeah, I definitely think Kapanen has been the best player from the first line, but there's still a lot of room for improvement. If you play that kind of role you just have to get your name on the scoresheet, one way or another. And one issue with Kapanen is that he kind of plays his own game inside the 5on5 team game.

Even on the marlies you can see his skill on display every time he touches the puck but he needs to finisher more. Imo it comes down to the split second decisions.

 

[Loffer]

Even on the marlies you can see his skill on display every time he touches the puck but he needs to finisher more. Imo it comes down to the split second decisions.

The guy is no team player. Just wheels and dangles and shots wide.

 

[BusQuets]

I agree Kapanen has been pretty good especially because he has to play with two dead weigths atm (Rantanen and Hintz). When Kapanen was moved to different line that line scored right away.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Kapanen has played strong so far this tournament.

He's, in my mind, #3 forward behind the dynamic duo.

 

[BusQuets]

Kapanen has played strong so far this tournament.

He's, in my mind, #3 forward behind the dynamic duo.

I don't know about that, i would put Aho and Saarela above him. He should attack the net more aggressively since he definitely has the skill to do that. Could make his stats look better.

 

[Joe MacMillan]

I think Kapanen has been pretty bad, almost as bad as Rantanen. Has shown glimpses of brilliance but the overall body of work has been underwhelming.

As the other poster mentioned, just wheels and dangles without much substance in his game.

 

[Erikfromfin]

I too think Kapanen has been solid. His come down and is working for the team some really good backchecks and hits. Hasnt let his ego spill out has put his head down accepted his role and hasnt been diva out there and has generated scoring chances. Would be nice to see goal or two but his playing the right way or trying to play atleast thats positive. Mikko Rantanen is the guy that hasnt shoved up to the tournament.

 

[Gaps]

While Kapanen has been ineffective in the offensive end, his defense has improved. A lot. Last night he saved at least two likely goals by using his speed to catch a Russian after someone else had screwed up.

 

[FiLe]

Wait... Repo is the one they drop out of the lineup? Really?? Also why is Kalapudas there on RW with Hintz at center on the same line? It's starting to look like Jalonen has some kind of obsession about players in the wrong positions... But we'll have to wait and see I guess. Hope it works out, though it seems very strange.

There hasn't been any official lineup announcement, the reporter has simply been to practice and has looked who's been on the ice at the same time. Could be Kalapudas is supposed to play C on that line... but I guess we'll see. Also, players in the line itself will ultimately decide what lane each one adopts. If Hintz and Kalapudas decide to switch positions while the game is underway and it seems to work for both, there is little coach can do but give the decision its blessing.


What comes to Kapanen, he's a classic high maintenance player. As in, not a difficult personality who demands more than the rest of his squadmates, but the kind of guy who has a playstyle that just does not naturally jive well with everybody. Thus far, he's been a good player in an environment that's simply bad for him - and not by any fault of Hintz and Rantanen, who are simply tuned differently. Here's hoping the new linemates work better.

 

[Loffer]

Blah blah blah. Jalonen is a fantastic coach who's also a great thinker of the game. You calling him a relic only shows your ignorance.

It indeed might show my "ignorance" also; but the claim still begs the question why this guy doesn't REACT adequately in the whirlwinds of a game?!? It is like sailing a fishing boat in murky stormy waters as the captain and thus the guy must respond and react without thinking twice when the time comes.

In general, I just think Finnish coaches are too passive and cautious behind the bench. It comes within their "DNA", in their mentality and education. "Our game" is one sour game when things start falling apart since the "captain" just tries and typically sticks to his rigid "game plan".

All these "great strategists" of Finnish hockey (and apparently other ball games as well) are too conservative in their general philosophy. I recommend them to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War first and after that reconsider their thinkoing and philosophy of the game.

Jalonen dude should start with the Chapter 8 in that classic: Variations and Adaptability (Chinese: 九變，九变):
the need for flexibility in an army's responses; how to respond to shifting circumstances successfully.


Hopefully you need this site and topic, Jukka Jalonen. We are wise men here and full of ideas and resources you can use to the benefit of the team (and yourself for that matter).

 

[Loffer]

It indeed might show my "ignorance" also; but the claim still begs the question why this guy doesn't REACT adequately in the whirlwinds of a game?!? It is like sailing a fishing boat in murky stormy waters as the captain and thus the guy must respond and react without thinking twice when the time comes.

In general, I just think Finnish coaches are too passive and cautious behind the bench. It comes within their "DNA", in their mentality and education. "Our game" is one sour game when things start falling apart since the "captain" just tries and typically sticks to his rigid "game plan".

All these "great strategists" of Finnish hockey (and apparently other ball games as well) are too conservative in their general philosophy. I recommend them to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War first and after that reconsider their thinkoing and philosophy of the game.

Jalonen dude should start with the Chapter 8 in that classic: Variations and Adaptability (Chinese: 九變，九变):
the need for flexibility in an army's responses; how to respond to shifting circumstances successfully.


Hopefully you need this site and topic, Jukka Jalonen. We are wise men here and full of ideas and resources you can use to the benefit of the team (and yourself for that matter).

I meant to say "read" but why not "need" also. You need us, Jalonen. Even if you don't know it. Think outside of the box! Think!


And RESPOND.

 

[Zamuz]

Kapanen has played strong so far this tournament.

He's, in my mind, #3 forward behind the dynamic duo.

Nah, more like #5

Puljujärvi, Laine, Aho, Saarela have all been better.

 

[FiLe]

It indeed might show my "ignorance" also; but the claim still begs the question why this guy doesn't REACT adequately in the whirlwinds of a game?!? It is like sailing a fishing boat in murky stormy waters as the captain and thus the guy must respond and react without thinking twice when the time comes.

Jalonen did react, actually. He mucked up the lines quite a bit as the game was underway. If you mean he should have told the guys to play differently, change the fundamentals of the game plan... well, that's something even the most reactive of coaches do quite rarely over the course of a single break between periods.

Should he have changed the goalie? In hindsight, I'd say yes. But I also know that things can look mighty different from the bench than it looks when watched thru a screen. Vehviläinen was shaky, but because the team front of him was shaky too, so it could be hard to evaluate what's on skaters and what's on the goalie as the game is underway.

Call a timeout? It's an option, sure, but it's hard to say when. After that short-handed 3-2? I don't see many coaches doing that either. After the 3-3 equalizer or 3-4 goal? Maybe. But then again, both were on PP - and the team was able to match the opposition just fine on even strength. 5-3... that could have been a good spot. But could be he simply decided to wait for the break which was only four minutes down. That's a lot in hockey, though, so... I dunno. Maybe, but let's keep in mind that we're now pretty deep down in the details of the game. It's a call that could be debated either way, not some raw rookie mistake one can say he could've avoided for sure.

Either way, he did shake up the lines for the third, so it's a bit unfair to say he did no reacting at all. And I'm not saying he didn't do some mistakes, big or small. He arguably did, the result being what it is. But they were not the kind of mistakes that were easy to foresee and 100% avoidable, even for someone with as much experience as him. I repeat, it's pure hindsight, stating with absolute certainty what he should have done.

 

[Jussi]

Urheilulehti analysis of the Russia game is pretty much spot on:

http://www.urheilulehti.fi/jaakiekko/tyly-tyrmays-nuorten-leijonien-koheltamiselle-voi-hyvanen-aika

http://www.urheilulehti.fi/jaakiekk...arkyttavaa-sokkihoitoa-todella-erikoinen-peli

 

[ViD]

Canada vs Finland in quarters unless Finland throws some games or Russia loses to Slovakia

 

[canswetoxic]

Canada vs Finland in quarters unless Finland throws some games or Russia loses to Slovakia

gonna be a good match, can't wait !

 

[FiLe]

Canada vs Finland in quarters unless Finland throws some games or Russia loses to Slovakia

That's premature. It's perfectly within reason that the Czechs can beat Finland, even without our guys throwing it. Especially with Finland playing back-to-back with less hours inbetween.

That being said, Canada does look like the lesser evil to me, so I won't be rooting for a loss.

 

[FinPanda]

Sweden/Canada and it's ok for me.. I wanted Danmark though.

Maybe I prefer Canada though, a lot of people watching in Canada and they will see how good our kids are if they don't already know!

 

[FiLe]

Sweden/Canada and it's ok for me.. I wanted Danmark though.

Think again. If/When Sweden beats Denmark tomorrow, they lock the win of Group A. So we'd have to finish 4th to face them - in other words, lose not only to the Czechs, but Slovakia as well.

So if we do beat Slovakia as everyone expects, and we win the Czechs, we face Canada. If we lose, we face USA.

However, I wouldn't give the Swiss no chance vs. USA.

 

[Nordic*]

Hey, Finnish brothers.

Can we make a deal?

If you stop developing these great young talented players, you can have Arja Sayonmaa and Linda Lampenius back?

Heck, I'd even be willing to release Skåne to you, we don't need that part anyway!

 

[FiLe]

If you stop developing these great young talented players, you can have Arja Sayonmaa and Linda Lampenius back?

Heck, I'd even be willing to release Skåne to you, we don't need that part anyway!

Sweeten the offer with Sofia Hellqvist AND take Ã…land in return, and you have a deal.

 

[Nordic*]

Sweeten the offer with Sofia Hellqvist AND take Ã…land in return, and you have a deal.

I have no idea who Sofia Hellqvist is and I love Ã…land, so that's a deal!

The papers are in the mail. Sign and return before the semi's, thanks!

 

[illone84]

Was really hoping for a SWE FIN quarterfinal.

Dammit, now CAN is going to knock us out early

 

[FiLe]

I have no idea who Sofia Hellqvist is and I love Ã…land, so that's a deal!

The papers are in the mail. Sign and return before the semi's, thanks!

Wait, what? You're asking us to find a sober clerk in this country before the 13th Day? Oh boy...