WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part IV)

[PecnoTrunk]

No, Marner should change the way he's playing because he has not been effective. Anyone with any semblance of objectivity can see that he's trying to do too much and it hasn't been working. He's put up a few points on simple plays, but too often he's getting the puck and trying to pass through or stickhandle through the opposition unnecessarily (and slowly). He's not one of Canada's worst players at the tournament, but he is one of the players with the most room for improvement.

Omg

Lowry is the second coming on steve spot

This guy looks lost when speaking to the media. If he cant even speak to the media properly how can he speak to his players!!!!!

Who the **** interviewed him for the head job?

What a ******

Omg this coach has lost complete control of this team. I thought they would get their ***** together after the usa loss

This is worse than i thought

Totally blame the coaching staff here

 

[Roy Baby*]

Omg

Lowry is the second coming on steve spot

This guy looks lost when speaking to the media. If he cant even speak to the media properly how can he speak to his players!!!!!

Who the **** interviewed him for the head job?

What a ******

Omg this coach has lost complete control of this team. I thought they would get their ***** together after the usa loss

This is worse than i thought

Totally blame the coaching staff here

Wth ? mind explaining how that relates to his post ? I'm genuinely curious

 

[con310*]

Strome, Barzal, Matthews, and Laine are much better...so yeah not quite

No they aren't they have been better in 3 games,he could easily be the best player at least for team Canada. So yeah...

 

[Roy Baby*]

No they aren't they have been better in 3 games,he could easily be the best player at least for team Canada. So yeah...

Definitely not but alright...I'll take your "word" for it

 

[con310*]

Definitely not but alright...I'll take your "word" for it

Certainly will and I know it won't surprise you. Do you remember Strome in the playoffs last season? Oh that's right probably not because he was a complete ghost.

 

[stavs*]

No, Marner should change the way he's playing because he has not been effective. Anyone with any semblance of objectivity can see that he's trying to do too much and it hasn't been working. He's put up a few points on simple plays, but too often he's getting the puck and trying to pass through or stickhandle through the opposition unnecessarily (and slowly). He's not one of Canada's worst players at the tournament, but he is one of the players with the most room for improvement.

Canada would have lost today's game in regulation if Marner didn't stop 2 great chances by the Swiss. You have absolutely no idea wth you are talking about.

 

[stavs*]

Certainly will and I know it won't surprise you. Do you remember Strome in the playoffs last season? Oh that's right probably not because he was a complete ghost.

Marner has played better than Strome over the last month of OHL as well.

 

[Llewzaher]

Man I come back in to check out the thread, and it is still a Marner vs Strome thread?

 

[Bloomberg]

I think we can all agree, the logical thing to happen that'll make Team Canada take the next step is for Marner to play better. I think we've already seen the best of Barzal and Strome, yet the team is still kinda underwhelming. Lowry needs to get Marner going. Barzal - Strome - Marner on the same line!

 

[HarryLime]

my main point on marner was that i think he needs a bit more time to develop. i still would take him over anyone in last years draft besides mceichel

 

[EON]

Crouse-Strome-Konency
Beauvillier-Point-Marner
Perlini-Barzal-Virtanen
Chartier-Stephens-Gauthier

Would be my lines. I like how Crouse and Strome work together, don't think Virtanen fits with them. That Barzal line looked deadly against the US. And I think Point and Marner need someone else speedy and dynamic to work with them.

Hicketts has been solid thus far imo but is getting played too much. Sanheim and Dermott should be split up and playing time should be more evenly distributed.

Not a fan of how Lowry has coached the team thus far. Played too far too much on the perimeter today against the Swiss. Should be using their speed and skill to attack the middle.

 

[sxvnert]

Crouse-Strome-Barzal
Marner-Konecny-Virtanen
Perlini-Point-Beauviller
Quenneville-Stephens-Chartier

 

[Bloomberg]

Perlini - Barzal - Marner
Virtanen - Strome - Gauthier
Crouse - Stephens - Konency
Beauviller - Point - Chartier

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Marner's skills can only shine with the right line mates. He is a creative guy and needs the puck on his stick. I remember quite a few times where he was wide open, but didn't get the puck, where he had space to do something. It's too bad really.

I think Marner's got to adjust and simplify his game before we dissect his linemates. Ofcourse, "better" linemates should make his job easier, but, as someone who has the ability to the best in this tournament, he has to be the one who elevates his linemates, especially ones who might struggle offensively against the tougher teams.

Also, not sure why people are bothered with the Marner discussion. He hasn't played up to expectations and that puts a serious dent in the drive for Gold

 

[Super Cake]

While this team may not be as skilled as before, i still think they can medal. The coach just needs to be better. He is hindering the team.

These long shifts need to stop. Giving the Chabot-Hicketts pairing more than 30+ minutes after playing yesterday was pure stupidity. Giving the pairing of Dermont-Sanheim less minutes was also pure stupidity. Stop giving long shifts to the forwards as well.

Virtanen needs to be pushed down the lineup. Konency needs to be pushed up the lineup.

 

[mikebel111*]

Marner overall has been good, but he and rest of the team need to step it up in the later games.
The problem is the 19 year olds falling asleep, the best forwards have been the 18 year olds(Strome, Barzal, Marner). Thats good but they arent going to win you Gold here. We need the entire team to step their level up.
Marner only weaknesses are at the moment. At times too cute with the puck, and isnt strong(though this one is obvious but this will get better). With more experience Marner will start shooting more too. Not worried at all about him.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Are we all over yesterday's hysterics? That was pathetic. and I'm referring to the GDT. Team Canada GDTs should really be banned.

comment on what you like/don't like, but the constant berating of player x is way too excessive.

I'm disappointed in team play and the manner in which some players are playing, being utilized... but it starts and ends with the coaching.

 

[snizzbone*]

I believe someone on TSN mentioned that they feel like the bigger ice makes Marner's game less of a threat. He likes to go on the outside and then quickly cut in. But when the ice is bigger his little cuts to the net aren't as effective because he has to travel a larger distance.

That's more or less what I remember them saying.

 

[wishywashy19]

Players have to buy into a team first concept. If we notice players taking too long shifts. You can bet players on the team notice this too. I don't get the sense this is a team yet like in years past. Teams where everyone sacrificed for each other. All one has to look at is Team Canada at the Olympics. Check your ego team, where it just dominated as a team. You would be hard pressed to name one stand out from that team. They were all equals and all were good playing a team concept.

Now you got it
That is exactly what has to happen for all but special teams
Burn them down in 40 second shifts

 

[xxxx]

So obvious that Virtanen and Point are playing injured but people have their own agenda. Point has a bum shoulder and Virtanen has broken ribs or hip pointer from Getzlaf hit that knocked him out of games in December.

No excuses for them but the fact that theese TEENAGERS are gutting it out for Canada just to have them bombarded w. Negativity by internet know it all is despicable. Enjoy the tournament everyone !

Chabot has been impressive. Barzal as well. Can't believe Boston passed on Barzal 3x and Edmonton traded their chance to draft him for Griffin Reinhart.

Marner has strong Edgework and crafty stick handling but he needs to stop taking long long shifts. Its selfish. He is also ways away from being strong enough to play in the NHL.

Crouse will be very effective in the NHL , one of those guys you will love to have in a 7 game series. Same w. Virtanen.

On to the next one. Go Canada

Agree with about everything. I too think that it was a mistake made by Edmonton and Boston - and other teams that passed on Barzal.

Marner is still just an 18 y.o. player, and he's still getting better. In 3 years he should be an NHL star. He has tremendous skills, just needs to put it together and he will be fine.

 

[xxxx]

I really think the only thing this team needs is to find the right chemistry and then they will dominate.

 

[Atomos2]

This team needs to start scoring. Find ways to put the puck in the net. Just find a way. Double shift Strome, double shift Barzal, Double shift ****ing Crouse if he's scoring. Just get some damn goals. And forget trying to get everyone icetime. Focus on scoring.

 

[JackSlater]

This team needs to start scoring. Find ways to put the puck in the net. Just find a way. Double shift Strome, double shift Barzal, Double shift ****ing Crouse if he's scoring. Just get some damn goals. And forget trying to get everyone icetime. Focus on scoring.

That's exactly what Canada did against Switzerland. It didn't work. The way to win is to keep the shifts reasonably short and roll with Canada's main advantage - depth.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

This team needs to start scoring. Find ways to put the puck in the net. Just find a way. Double shift Strome, double shift Barzal, Double shift ****ing Crouse if he's scoring. Just get some damn goals. And forget trying to get everyone icetime. Focus on scoring.

So they're all gassed half way through the third period like yesterday?

Lowry needs to do the opposite - distribute ice time more evenly.

The problem on the team is not its talent - it's mainly coaching and, to a lesser extent, the fact that some guys need to play a bit better.

 

[Tripod]

This team needs to start scoring. Find ways to put the puck in the net. Just find a way. Double shift Strome, double shift Barzal, Double shift ****ing Crouse if he's scoring. Just get some damn goals. And forget trying to get everyone icetime. Focus on scoring.

Huh? People are getting foible shifted. And what's worse, staying out way to long. They are all playing as individuals. And if you are on the bench, watching guys take 2-3 minute shifts, it makes you mad. So then when you finally do get out there, you do the same. It is a horrible way to coach. It's all on Lowry.

Running 4 lines and 3 pairing AND having 45 second shifts keeps everyone fresh and engaged in the game. That is Canada's advantage...depth. By having gassed players all the time, you slow the pVe down for inferior opponents. It makes it harder to score. And for the guys sitting for 16 straight minutes, they get cold on the bench and out of the game.

Shorten the bench later in the game if needed. But still keep the shifts short. That's just common sense. Only a dumbass puts out a guy for a 3 minute shift 4vs4 at this level of hockey.