WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part IV)

[The Winter Soldier]

I'd go with:

Crouse-Strome-Konecny
Perlini-Barzal-Marner
Beauvillier-Point-Gauthier
Chartier-Stephens-Virtanen
Quenneville

As much as this will bug people.

I think Canada needs Virtanen playing well to go deep into the medal rd

For this I would go.

Agree with line #1.

Crouse-Strome-Konecny
Beauvillier-Barzal-Virtanen
Chartier-Point-Marner

4th line, put them in blender.

But that is the new lines as I would like to see it.

 

[carlweezer*]

What ? Strome and Marner have had exactly the same type of tournament. Both have been on and off at times.

Cheating on shifts? He took the puck from his own zone, had a nice wrister that hit the post, came back and broke up a play and then changed.

People put far too much emphasis on WJC play when it largely means nothing at all. Brayden Schenn was an absolute stud with a ridiculous amount of points and goals and look where he is now, barely a top six player.

I'd say that two seasons of OHL play is worth far more than a couple of WJC games.

Are you disappointed in his play because he's drafted to a team with a lot of fanfare? So his performance is okay if he was drafted by the Hurricanes instead? Doesn't make sense.

Cody Hodgson led the tournament in points as well or tied w. Tavares that one year.

 

[francis246]

I love how people are projecting Sanheim not playing as much on Dermott. As if he has any control over Sanheim's play or ice time. TOGETHER AS A PAIRING I think they both need to play more. Dermott isn't causing Sanheim's minutes to go down. It's Dave Lowry's poor coaching that is causing Sanheim and Dermott's minutes to go down. He needs to stop playing Hicketts and Chabot so much.

Also I love that Dermott and Sanheim got virtually no offensive zone starts but yet they along with the Marner line end up controlling the play in the offensive zone.

The extended minutes is an issue and that should be brought up to Marner and Hicketts.

I'd like to see these lines:

Perlini - Strome - Konecny
Crouse - Barzal - Marner
Beauvillier - Point - Gauthier
Chartier-Stephens-Virtanen
Quenneville

Keep the d-pairings the same just spread minutes more evenly.

 

[AppsSyl]

The line I would like to see is Gauthier Barzal Marner. I think Gauthier would be the perfect guy to play with Barzal and Marner with his ability to finish, and I think that Barzal and Marner would create an enormous amount of room for each other with their creativity.
I think a lot of the players on Canada have not been utilized properly, and it is making it difficult for the team to find its mojo. Lowry is brutal. They need to figure it out by the elimination games.

 

[francis246]

The line I would like to see is Gauthier Barzal Marner. I think Gauthier would be the perfect guy to play with Barzal and Marner with his ability to finish, and I think that Barzal and Marner would create an enormous amount of room for each other with their creativity.
I think a lot of the players on Canada have not been utilized properly, and it is making it difficult for the team to find its mojo. Lowry is brutal. They need to figure it out by the elimination games.

this is not a bad idea, I'm not sure Gauthier is that great on his off-wing but it's worth a try

 

[The Winter Soldier]

this is not a bad idea, I'm not sure Gauthier is that great on his off-wing but it's worth a try

My problem with this, is both Barzal and Marner need the puck to make plays. Right now, everytime Barzal touches the puck, he makes things happen. I would not want to stunt this. Virtanen needs a Center that feeds him passes. Barzal and Beauvillier seem to have good chemistry. I am hoping Barzal can make Virtanen, like he made Stephens the 2nd highest scorer in last spring's under 18.

 

[francis246]

My problem with this, is both Barzal and Marner need the puck to make plays. Right now, everytime Barzal touches the puck, he makes things happen. I would not want to stunt this. Virtanen needs a Center that feeds him passes. Barzal and Beauvillier seem to have good chemistry. I am hoping Barzal can make Virtanen, like he made Stephens the 2nd highest scorer in last spring's under 18.

Or maybe we should just stop trying to force the idea of Virtanen being the saviour of this team? Sure he's in the NHL and all but I really don't believe he is the most offensively gifted player on this team. I think the expectations of him being that high profile offensive guy this year has really hurt him. They should just let him play his game which is crash and grind. Virtanen is horrible off the rush, like he cannot get a shot on target off the rush.

For Virtanen I think if we move him down the line up and take the offensive pressure off of him I think we will see better results.

 

[carlweezer*]

Virtanen Barzal Perlini line will get 're assembled. Book it. They were dominant.

 

[covfefe]

I love how people are projecting Sanheim not playing as much on Dermott. As if he has any control over Sanheim's play or ice time. TOGETHER AS A PAIRING I think they both need to play more. Dermott isn't causing Sanheim's minutes to go down. It's Dave Lowry's poor coaching that is causing Sanheim and Dermott's minutes to go down. He needs to stop playing Hicketts and Chabot so much.

Also I love that Dermott and Sanheim got virtually no offensive zone starts but yet they along with the Marner line end up controlling the play in the offensive zone.

The extended minutes is an issue and that should be brought up to Marner and Hicketts.

I'd like to see these lines:

Perlini - Strome - Konecny
Crouse - Barzal - Marner
Beauvillier - Point - Gauthier
Chartier-Stephens-Virtanen
Quenneville

Keep the d-pairings the same just spread minutes more evenly.

Why is Perlini on your first line when he has accomplished all of nothing so far through 3 games in that exact role? Why is he a better option there than Beauvillier or Chartier? Please enlighten me..

 

[carlweezer*]

Or maybe we should just stop trying to force the idea of Virtanen being the saviour of this team? Sure he's in the NHL and all but I really don't believe he is the most offensively gifted player on this team. I think the expectations of him being that high profile offensive guy this year has really hurt him. They should just let him play his game which is crash and grind. Virtanen is horrible off the rush, like he cannot get a shot on target off the rush.

For Virtanen I think if we move him down the line up and take the offensive pressure off of him I think we will see better results.

It's not the pressure bothering Virtanen it's the broken ribs he is playing through.

Good Canadian boy over there

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Or maybe we should just stop trying to force the idea of Virtanen being the saviour of this team? Sure he's in the NHL and all but I really don't believe he is the most offensively gifted player on this team. I think the expectations of him being that high profile offensive guy this year has really hurt him. They should just let him play his game which is crash and grind. Virtanen is horrible off the rush, like he cannot get a shot on target off the rush.

For Virtanen I think if we move him down the line up and take the offensive pressure off of him I think we will see better results.

They cast the die on him when he made the team. To be positive, I think his 3rd period was his best of the tournament. But saying that, he needs to play much better, and show more finish. It's a short tournament. Canada needs him because he is one of the players that was expected to be one of our best players. Maybe Barzal can bring it out of him. We tried Strome, Crouse played his best game today. Barzal with Beauvillier and Virtanen. Worth a try.

 

[francis246]

Why is Perlini on your first line when he has accomplished all of nothing so far through 3 games in that exact role? Why is he a better option there than Beauvillier or Chartier? Please enlighten me..

Chill out, Beauvillier is one of my favourite players man lol. Perlini just seems to have some chemistry with Strome. I personally also think Beauvillier and Point would also work well together. Plus Beauvillier already has some chemistry with Gauthier from the exhibition games.

I based the lines off chemistry.

 

[thepuckmonster]

They cast the die on him when he made the team. To be positive, I think his 3rd period was his best of the tournament. But saying that, he needs to play much better, and show more finish. It's a short tournament. Canada needs him because he is one of the players that was expected to be one of our best players. Maybe Barzal can bring it out of him. We tried Strome, Crouse played his best game today. Barzal with Beauvillier and Virtanen. Worth a try.

Crouse-Strome-Virtanen had a great third period though with more chances than the others.

I would leave that alone for now and see if it goes somewhere.

 

[Breakers]

Crouse-Strome-Virtanen had a great third period though with more chances than the others.

I would leave that alone for now and see if it goes somewhere.

They were the only line that did anything in the third.

Every shift was constant offensive zone pressure.

And people said virtanen was the worst player on the ice.

 

[stavs*]

I would not put Marner with Strome or Barzal in the group of playing well. Strome and Barzal have arguably been our 2 most impressive forwards this tournament.

Strome is living up to his 3rd overall draft position. Barzal is surprising some people, not all by any means, that he is that good. His play has surpassed his draft position.

Marner despite the 3 points has been good and bad. His play has been inconsistent and for the 4th player picked to a lot of fanfare, he can be termed as a disappointment so far.

I said it earlier today, but, Marner needs to simplify his game. He needs to stop cheating on shifts by staying out there too long. He has the talent, and he can still be a factor as the games get more important.

He needs to play more of a we game, rather than a me game. Make the simple play like he did the other night on Quenneville goal be just getting shots to the net. They do not all have to be masterpiece goals.

If he can shorten his shifts, make the simple plays, play a more team game. I think he can then be mentioned with Barzal and Strome as our best forwards.

almost 40k posts, and still posting awful things like this. Give your head a good shake. WJC has no bearing on their draft position. In what world does a small international tournament supercede almost a year and a half of domination in the OHL? I would rip into this post more, but looks like other posters have saved me the time

 

[stavs*]

In a tourney where I'm looking at it like Strome vs. Marner, it seems Strome is head and shoulders no pun intended above Marner for now.

Strome is more physically mature making him more NHL ready, Once Marner fills out like his brother, his size won't be a concern anymore. You can't force growth spurts

 

[Smif]

I have never seen such a carousel of lines this deep into the tournament. They change almost shift to shift in some cases. They need to solidify them so some consistent chemistry can be built for the important games.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

The problem with Team Canada isn't the lines...it's the style of play.

Too many players holding puck to long, no give & go's, no team play just a bunch of individuals trying to get their ice time and puck touches.

Changing lineups isn't solving the problem.

Puck Hogs, Long Shifts will lead to what you saw today from Team Canada.

And all of that boils down to coaching.

 

[HasbeenHallzy]

(mod) He (JV) generated tons of chances and broke up a couple plays with big back checks. He's a massive part of this team and if he finds his game he will be 100% domianant.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

And all of that boils down to coaching.

Players have to buy into a team first concept. If we notice players taking too long shifts. You can bet players on the team notice this too. I don't get the sense this is a team yet like in years past. Teams where everyone sacrificed for each other. All one has to look at is Team Canada at the Olympics. Check your ego team, where it just dominated as a team. You would be hard pressed to name one stand out from that team. They were all equals and all were good playing a team concept.

 

[Bloomberg]

Players have to buy into a team first concept. If we notice players taking too long shifts. You can bet players on the team notice this too. I don't get the sense this is a team yet like in years past. Teams where everyone sacrificed for each other. All one has to look at is Team Canada at the Olympics. Check your ego team, where it just dominated as a team. You would be hard pressed to name one stand out from that team. They were all equals and all were good playing a team concept.

The lack of cohesion I think has more to do with the lines. Too many tries to get it right. Just put Barzal - Strome - Marner out already.

 

[TheLeastOfTheBunch]

Marner's got the skill to the best player in this tournament, but he really does need to simplify things. It's hard to say the big ice doesn't suit him, you'd think he would be even more potent with the extra ice to utilize.

But here's hoping Marner is dominant when it matters the most during the knockout games (4 more games if they make it to the Gold medal match)

 

[Bloomberg]

Marner's got the skill to the best player in this tournament, but he really does need to simplify things. It's hard to say the big ice doesn't suit him, you'd think he would be even more potent with the extra ice to utilize.

But here's hoping Marner is dominant when it matters the most during the knockout games (4 more games if they make it to the Gold medal match)

Marner's skills can only shine with the right line mates. He is a creative guy and needs the puck on his stick. I remember quite a few times where he was wide open, but didn't get the puck, where he had space to do something. It's too bad really.

 

[JackSlater]

Marner should keep playing the way he is, he's been buzzing and the goals will come. I don't want to keep putting strome down but I don't get how he's been great where as marner hasn't. Both are playing as I expected, anyone who thought they'd dominate at 18 was dreaming. Both have been good but neither has been great.

No, Marner should change the way he's playing because he has not been effective. Anyone with any semblance of objectivity can see that he's trying to do too much and it hasn't been working. He's put up a few points on simple plays, but too often he's getting the puck and trying to pass through or stickhandle through the opposition unnecessarily (and slowly). He's not one of Canada's worst players at the tournament, but he is one of the players with the most room for improvement.

 

[Roy Baby*]

Marner's got the skill to the best player in this tournament, but he really does need to simplify things. It's hard to say the big ice doesn't suit him, you'd think he would be even more potent with the extra ice

Strome, Barzal, Matthews, and Laine are much better...so yeah not quite