WJC: 2016 — Canada Roster Talk (Part IV)

[Flyers Time]

Hicketts Played 4:15 of the 5 minute OT?
Holy crap is this coach bad

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

What is it with Flyers fans picking on Hicketts? I'm pretty sure he didn't do anything to personally offend you guys. Hicketts being a better player at one particular point in time doesn't diminish Sanheim at all.

 

[wishywashy19]

I agree with everything you said. Even though, the shifts are coache's thing and if it works, ok. But I would rather be for the 45 sec. shifts for everyone, yes.

One thing I disagree, though. I think Virtanen was actually good with Strome.

I just flipped thru a few posts but this one does it
I hate the PP but I am more concerned with what is basically going on in the dressing room of this team
Has the coaches lost this team?
Not a good situation
I think and I guess I am the only one but I think the defence has been very good
Crappy goals on us- deflections - bad squeaker by Matthews- off the dasher board White goal --oh a couple of bad positioning or waving the stick at the puck defections but the offence can't find the net and take some pressure off the D
Play your lines Lowry- quick shifts- equal the time because we are not going to win ridding the kids Marner and Barzel because death will do us part

 

[Breakers]

Hicketts Played 4:15 of the 5 minute OT?
Holy crap is this coach bad

That's embarrassing.

 

[keslerburrows]

Hicketts Played 4:15 of the 5 minute OT?
Holy crap is this coach bad

How do we end up with these horrible coaches at least every second year?

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Hicketts Played 4:15 of the 5 minute OT?
Holy crap is this coach bad

Completely ridiculous.

 

[HarryLime]

Leafs fan

Marner has been good in this but he has been out muscled and pushed around which is concerning. I don't think he is close to being NHL ready, which is something I'm sure will not go over well with TO fans. To me, King Joffrey (Nylander) could play tomorrow and be effective.

 

[Brewsky]

Leafs fan

Marner has been good in this but he has been out muscled and pushed around which is concerning. I don't think he is close to being NHL ready, which is something I'm sure will not go over well with TO fans. To me, King Joffrey (Nylander) could play tomorrow and be effective.

In a tourney where I'm looking at it like Strome vs. Marner, it seems Strome is head and shoulders no pun intended above Marner for now.

 

[CanadianSniper]

What is it with Flyers fans picking on Hicketts? I'm pretty sure he didn't do anything to personally offend you guys. Hicketts being a better player at one particular point in time doesn't diminish Sanheim at all.

Pretty sure it's not just Flyers fans. Also Hickets has not been and isn't better now than Sanheim. His coach is just playing favorites. You can't honestly think one dman should play 4:15 of the overtime period? This isn't Erik Karllson we are talking about. Sanheim leads all D in the WHL in points. Shouldn't he have seen at least one shift in a 4 on 4 overtime? Nobody really hates Hickets, it's Lowry's idiotic overuse of him that people are bothered by.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Nobody really hates Hickets, it's Lowry's idiotic overuse of him that people are bothered by.

It's weird that it's phrased almost entirely in terms of criticisms of Hicketts.

Anyway, it strikes me that Hicketts has become a whipping boy for the fact that Canada doesn't have a very good team this year. He's actually playing well, but it's just convenient to trot him out because he isn't as good a prospect as the other guys. The logic is that if Hicketts can perform this well with top minutes, then surely better prospects would perform even better with those minutes. But that's not how it works. They're better, but they're not better yet.

 

[scotian1]

Thought Hicketts and Chabot both looked exhausted even before overtime. Marner looked beat as well. So the ice time for players has to be better balanced by the coach. Strome as well had exceptionally long shifts that did not help him.

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

It's weird that it's phrased almost entirely in terms of criticisms of Hicketts.

Anyway, it strikes me that Hicketts has become a whipping boy for the fact that Canada doesn't have a very good team this year. He's actually playing well, but it's just convenient to trot him out because he isn't as good a prospect as the other guys. The logic is that if Hicketts can perform this well with top minutes, then surely better prospects would perform even better with those minutes. But that's not how it works. They're better, but they're not better yet.

No, that's not why. People are peeved because he is being overplayed for his performance level and they think given a better opportunity Sanheim would be more effective.

 

[stewpac]

In a tourney where I'm looking at it like Strome vs. Marner, it seems Strome is head and shoulders no pun intended above Marner for now.

I'm just watching the game now and about half way through and strome has been pretty invisible. Not trying to put him down but marner has out worked him so far. Granted he got that cheese goal. I also watch a lot of ohl games and theres no way strome is head and shoulders above marner. I think both aren't far enough in their development to be stars at this tournament. I think this year will be a good step in their progression, look for them to dominate next year.

 

[carlweezer*]

Leafs fan

Marner has been good in this but he has been out muscled and pushed around which is concerning. I don't think he is close to being NHL ready, which is something I'm sure will not go over well wi

th TO fans. To me, King Joffrey (Nylander) could play tomorrow and be effective.

Agreed w. This. It's also concerning that the style and type of game Marner plays won't translate in the NHL.

Nylander looks like he will make a smooth transition to the big leagues

 

[Peasy]

In a tourney where I'm looking at it like Strome vs. Marner, it seems Strome is head and shoulders no pun intended above Marner for now.

And Strome was drafted ahead of Marner so whats wrong with that ?

 

[JackSlater]

It's weird that it's phrased almost entirely in terms of criticisms of Hicketts.

Anyway, it strikes me that Hicketts has become a whipping boy for the fact that Canada doesn't have a very good team this year. He's actually playing well, but it's just convenient to trot him out because he isn't as good a prospect as the other guys. The logic is that if Hicketts can perform this well with top minutes, then surely better prospects would perform even better with those minutes. But that's not how it works. They're better, but they're not better yet.

You're completely off base. Criticism of Hicketts' icetime and usage is criticism of Lowry far more than it is of Hicketts. Hicketts hasn't shown himself to be better than several other Canadian defencemen, but he's being treated by the coach like he has.

I'm just watching the game now and about half way through and strome has been pretty invisible. Not trying to put him down but marner has out worked him so far. Granted he got that cheese goal. I also watch a lot of ohl games and theres no way strome is head and shoulders above marner. I think both aren't far enough in their development to be stars at this tournament. I think this year will be a good step in their progression, look for them to dominate next year.

Marner needs to make quick, simple plays. He's playing like a dominant junior back in the CHL who can skate through the other team several times a game. It isn't working. Strome adapted pretty quickly. Marner has more than enough talent, he just needs to play properly for this tournament.

 

[stewpac]

You're completely off base. Criticism of Hicketts' icetime and usage is criticism of Lowry far more than it is of Hicketts. Hicketts hasn't shown himself to be better than several other Canadian defencemen, but he's being treated by the coach like he has.



Marner needs to make quick, simple plays. He's playing like a dominant junior back in the CHL who can skate through the other team several times a game. It isn't working. Strome adapted pretty quickly. Marner has more than enough talent, he just needs to play properly for this tournament.

Marner should keep playing the way he is, he's been buzzing and the goals will come. I don't want to keep putting strome down but I don't get how he's been great where as marner hasn't. Both are playing as I expected, anyone who thought they'd dominate at 18 was dreaming. Both have been good but neither has been great.

People are totally over reacting to the game today, we're as good as any team in this tournament. Sweden is going to take first and they've got a tone of defensive issues.

 

[Stats01]

Agreed w. This. It's also concerning that the style and type of game Marner plays won't translate in the NHL.

Nylander looks like he will make a smooth transition to the big leagues

yeah not like Patty Kane had a similar style to Marner or anything....Marner's "style" will certainly change as he gets older and bigger. Really hard to tell if people are joking or not about Marner and his NHL potential, the kid has got elite skills, that alone will get him a long NHL look. Marner is as big or bigger than what Kane was when he made the NHL so I don't understand what the issues are.

 

[carlweezer*]

yeah not like Patty Kane had a similar style to Marner or anything....Marner's "style" will certainly change as he gets older and bigger. Really hard to tell if people are joking or not about Marner and his NHL potential, the kids got elite skills that alone will get him a long NHL look.

Not the same playing style. Playing style wise in the OHL I compare him to Sam Gagner w. His days with the London Knighhts

 

[The Winter Soldier]

Canada needs to expect more from its returnees/19 year olds .. They need to be carrying the play and not just a passenger, otherwise they're relying too much on the inexperienced younger players.

I credit Marner, Strome, and Barzal for playing well so far. They've all had varying degrees of ups/downs but the margins between their play isn't that large. They have been good on an underwhelming Canadian team.

I would not put Marner with Strome or Barzal in the group of playing well. Strome and Barzal have arguably been our 2 most impressive forwards this tournament.

Strome is living up to his 3rd overall draft position. Barzal is surprising some people, not all by any means, that he is that good. His play has surpassed his draft position.

Marner despite the 3 points has been good and bad. His play has been inconsistent and for the 4th player picked to a lot of fanfare, he can be termed as a disappointment so far.

I said it earlier today, but, Marner needs to simplify his game. He needs to stop cheating on shifts by staying out there too long. He has the talent, and he can still be a factor as the games get more important.

He needs to play more of a we game, rather than a me game. Make the simple play like he did the other night on Quenneville goal be just getting shots to the net. They do not all have to be masterpiece goals.

If he can shorten his shifts, make the simple plays, play a more team game. I think he can then be mentioned with Barzal and Strome as our best forwards.

 

[Nizdizzle]

yeah not like Patty Kane had a similar style to Marner or anything....Marner's "style" will certainly change as he gets older and bigger. Really hard to tell if people are joking or not about Marner and his NHL potential, the kid has got elite skills, that alone will get him a long NHL look. Marner is as big or bigger than what Kane was when he made the NHL so I don't understand what the issues are.

Thats why I can't stand reading comments after tournament games. Like its 3 games of mediocre play and people have completely turned on really, really good prospects.

 

[Leafs at Knight]

Do people not realize when players are staying out too long, it's usually the coaches decision. If a player has consecutive long shifts, then it's usually the coach who calls the shots. If a player stays out too long, and the coach doesn't like it, the player will either sit for a bit, or not have consecutive long shifts because the coach gave him an earful.

I do agree though that Marner needs to have shorter shifts, but it seems like it's the coach calling the shots because of what I said above, and how a few others are also having long shifts.

 

[Pi]

I would not put Marner with Strome or Barzal in the group of playing well. Strome and Barzal have arguably been our 2 most impressive forwards this tournament.

Strome is living up to his 3rd overall draft position. Barzal is surprising some people, not all by any means, that he is that good. His play has surpassed his draft position.

Marner despite the 3 points has been good and bad. His play has been inconsistent and for the 4th player picked to a lot of fanfare, he can be termed as a disappointment so far.

I said it earlier today, but, Marner needs to simplify his game. He needs to stop cheating on shifts by staying out there too long. He has the talent, and he can still be a factor as the games get more important.

He needs to play more of a we game, rather than a me game. Make the simple play like he did the other night on Quenneville goal be just getting shots to the net. They do not all have to be masterpiece goals.

If he can shorten his shifts, make the simple plays, play a more team game. I think he can then be mentioned with Barzal and Strome as our best forwards.

What ? Strome and Marner have had exactly the same type of tournament. Both have been on and off at times.

Cheating on shifts? He took the puck from his own zone, had a nice wrister that hit the post, came back and broke up a play and then changed.

People put far too much emphasis on WJC play when it largely means nothing at all. Brayden Schenn was an absolute stud with a ridiculous amount of points and goals and look where he is now, barely a top six player.

I'd say that two seasons of OHL play is worth far more than a couple of WJC games.

Are you disappointed in his play because he's drafted to a team with a lot of fanfare? So his performance is okay if he was drafted by the Hurricanes instead? Doesn't make sense.

 

[rt]

I'd go with:

Crouse-Strome-Konecny
Perlini-Barzal-Marner
Beauvillier-Point-Gauthier
Chartier-Stephens-Virtanen
Quenneville

 

[stewpac]

I would not put Marner with Strome or Barzal in the group of playing well. Strome and Barzal have arguably been our 2 most impressive forwards this tournament.

Strome is living up to his 3rd overall draft position. Barzal is surprising some people, not all by any means, that he is that good. His play has surpassed his draft position.

Marner despite the 3 points has been good and bad. His play has been inconsistent and for the 4th player picked to a lot of fanfare, he can be termed as a disappointment so far.

I said it earlier today, but, Marner needs to simplify his game. He needs to stop cheating on shifts by staying out there too long. He has the talent, and he can still be a factor as the games get more important.

He needs to play more of a we game, rather than a me game. Make the simple play like he did the other night on Quenneville goal be just getting shots to the net. They do not all have to be masterpiece goals.

If he can shorten his shifts, make the simple plays, play a more team game. I think he can then be mentioned with Barzal and Strome as our best forwards.

Totally disagree with you on marner, he needs to continue doing what he has. He creates every time he steps on the ice. If he keeps doing what he's doing the puck is going to start finding the back of the net. The team as a whole needs to keep the shifts short, everyone was guilty of that today. There is nothing disappointing about marner as a 4th overall pick. His play reminds me a lot of nylander last year, looks really good but has a lot of room to improve ( which is expected from an 18 year old). I'm defending marner because people aren't giving him a fair shake as they are with other players. Not sure its because people think extremely high of him or its cause he was a leaf pick.