2015 NHL Entry Draft

[Vesa Awesaka]

Carolina, Edmonton.....Ottawa. Make me gm pls 5 percent chance baby

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Has anyone seen this before? Basically just a random "draft lottery" generator, but it apparently keeps up to date with the standings. A fun waste of time.

http://nhllotterysimulator.com/



The game I'm proposing is everyone click on the "Run the Lottery" button until they get the Sens... gives a good idea of how long the odds are of us getting the McDavid pick.

For the record, I had to click it 27 times before we got the pick.

Dear god. Leafs won the lottery first click. Then Buffalo 3 of the next 4.

Took me 10 tries for Ottawa.

Attempt 2: 17

Attempt 3: 34

It keeps getting worse

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I don't get how people can suggest kylington will be a partner for karlsson. They will more than likely never see ice together unless it's a powerplay.

 

[HispanicAtTheDisco]

Has anyone seen this before? Basically just a random "draft lottery" generator, but it apparently keeps up to date with the standings. A fun waste of time.

http://nhllotterysimulator.com/



The game I'm proposing is everyone click on the "Run the Lottery" button until they get the Sens... gives a good idea of how long the odds are of us getting the McDavid pick.

For the record, I had to click it 27 times before we got the pick.

Attempt 1: 8
Attempt 2: 3
Attempt 3: 7
Attempt 4: 68

 

[Xspyrit]

Has anyone seen this before? Basically just a random "draft lottery" generator, but it apparently keeps up to date with the standings. A fun waste of time.

http://nhllotterysimulator.com/



The game I'm proposing is everyone click on the "Run the Lottery" button until they get the Sens... gives a good idea of how long the odds are of us getting the McDavid pick.

For the record, I had to click it 27 times before we got the pick.

3rd time for me

change the name to bjugstad then

What's with bjugstad? One year older than Zibanejad, not producing that much better... We drafted Rundblad, built his value until he was considered the best prospect out of the NHL and then traded him for a previous 3rd overall pick, Kyle Turris. What's wrong?

Do you realize that for like 99% of picks, you could say "we could have picked a better player"?. Exceptions being Datsyuk, Alfredsson

Note : What's with the 9th round of the 1994 draft and all those NHL goalies drafted? lol Vokoun, Thomas, Nabokov, Hedberg, Grahame...

The problem is the Sens have decent depth of 2nd tier skill. Having guys like Michalek, Chiasson and Legwand in the bottom 6 means the team actually has three lines of decent skill, which not all teams have. But decent skill is not high end skill.

And there's the rub. Despite rolling three decent skill lines, we are bottom half scoring team, and that's with one of the better offensive d-men in the world trying to do too much to generate chances.

And the problem is our top line and top PP is well below average, and I don't see that changing. There are a few guys on the team that can be complimentary top line players one day, but won't anchor a top line

But it sounds like you might be actually saying the same thing. I agree re the #1 center requirement, (although I didn't see Spezza as the answer - maybe 5 years ago he would have been). In the end, it will always be easier to neutralize a team's top forward if they are a winger, as team's see with Ovechkin, Kessel and many others. Center's go everywhere on the ice, so it is much more difficult to scheme against them. So relying on Ryan to anchor a top line is folly when it comes to the playoffs. Even if he turns into a 40 goal guy in the next year or two, if we don't have another top end center at least as good as Turris, we have no chance of going deep in the post-season.

Add a top line center to that group and Sens are easily top-10 in scoring... They are 17th actually, 0.10 goals per game from the 13th spot, the Red Wings...

They were 11th last year and 4th in 2011-12 (2012-13 doesn't count as Spezza, Karlsson and Michalek were injured)

So going back to the draft, when you get a top 10 pick, I'm all for swinging for the fences on a skilled potential 1st line forward, versus a safer big body that likely tops out as a 2nd liner, and a good chance they'll be a third liner

Totally agree and this draft is good enough that we need to pick up the most skilled forward available, preferably a Center, fingers crossed.

Like I demonstrated in my line-up, add a top-center like Johansen for example and that team becomes dangerous. Or a young Spezza like you said

Obviously there was some hyperbole in what i said. I just mainly mean we severely lack top end skill like Dr.Sense said. He have an abundance of guys who could play bottom 6 and a few who have 2nd line potential but we really lack potential star power in the prospects ranks. Anything can happen and who knows, maybe a Dzingel comes out of no where next season and looks like he could be a star, but it isn't likely. We haven't swung for the fences on a 1st rounder since Karlsson. Maybe Puempel too, but I never considered him to have that certain...je ne sais quoi.

We need to go for a homer in the 1st rounder.

Of course, we need to go for a homerun with the first round pick.

You say "we severely lack top end skill", I say "we severely lack a top-end skilled Center". Turris would actually be a perfect #2 Center on a contender. Zibanejad has a great skillset but doesn't have elite vision and doesn't use his teammates well enough, not a good enough playmaker to be a #1, but even that you never know, players continue to develop. Look at Hoffman, he's a late bloomer and he's looking more and more like a first line forward... I have never been wrong on a player more than for him (except probably Andre Petersson and Peter Regin who have a ton of skill but can't translate it to the NHL). It means we have no idea how players will develop. Maybe Puempel becomes a star, maybe Paul, I dunno but who saw Hoffman coming? Who saw Stone coming? Maybe Stone continues to develop too and becomes a top-line player?

But in summary, like I said, add a top line center and I really like the amount of skill in that group :

Hoffman-Johansen-Ryan
MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Puempel-Zibanejad-Lazar
Prince-Paul-Chiasson
Pageau

Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Ceci
Wikstrand-Wideman
Wiercioch

Anderson
Lehner

 

[Benjamin]

2nd time for me.

 

[saskriders]

9 tries.

Looks like all we need to do is build a time machine and keep going back until we get McDavid

 

[Benjamin]

9 tries.

Looks like all we need to do is build a time machine and keep going back until we get McDavid

If we got a time machine we're going back and kidnapping Cooke and jailing him in a basement for life.

 

[Super Cake]

Has anyone seen this before? Basically just a random "draft lottery" generator, but it apparently keeps up to date with the standings. A fun waste of time.

http://nhllotterysimulator.com/



The game I'm proposing is everyone click on the "Run the Lottery" button until they get the Sens... gives a good idea of how long the odds are of us getting the McDavid pick.

For the record, I had to click it 27 times before we got the pick.

2 times for me.

 

[OgieO]

17 times.

 

[benjiv1]

Just to drum up some conversation...


Fill out who you would draft, if the Sens in the following places (being within 4+ places of each player's ISS ranking):

IE:

7th- Crouse (3rd in ISS)
11th- Zacha (11th in ISS)
15th- Konecny (14th in ISS)
19th- Greenway (19th in ISS)
23rd-Bittner (30th in ISS)
27th-Sprong (Outside top 30 in ISS)

 

[operasen]

... But in summary, like I said, add a top line center and I really like the amount of skill in that group :

Hoffman-Johansen-Ryan
MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Puempel-Zibanejad-Lazar
Prince-Paul-Chiasson
Pageau

Methot-Karlsson
Cowen-Ceci
Wikstrand-Wideman
Wiercioch

Anderson
Lehner

Could easily live with that, but what did we give to get Johansen. Some combination of Gryba, Borowiecki, Phillips, Condra, Greening, Legwand, Michalek, Neil & Smith won't get that done - I'd give them all if it would! Cost our 1st I guess, but that would be a temptation for sure.

I agree with Hoffman and Ryan on the 1st line and also that none of our current stock of centres can fill the No1 role at this point. Might switch over Lazar and Zibanejad, but that's just a thought; either way works.

Would keep Borowiecki around somewhere if he was not in you package

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Don't get me wrong I'd love to add Johannson but it would come at a huge cost someone like Karlsson or something like that. Maybe we could get the wild to take Methot in exchange for their first and use them to draft one of Kylington , Werneski and Poporov and use the other first to get a top line center.

 

[Icelevel]

Just to drum up some conversation...


Fill out who you would draft, if the Sens in the following places (being within 4+ places of each player's ISS ranking):

IE:

7th- Crouse (3rd in ISS)
11th- Zacha (11th in ISS)
15th- Konecny (14th in ISS)
19th- Greenway (19th in ISS)
23rd-Bittner (30th in ISS)
27th-Sprong (Outside top 30 in ISS)

holy....that's too hard. i'm looking at the iss list and there are too many guys I would want. Scary making a decision. Can't do it.
I like all the guys you have there though.
Top 20 looks pretty safe at this point. I'd be happy with most of them.

 

[SaltyPete]

Just to drum up some conversation...


Fill out who you would draft, if the Sens in the following places (being within 4+ places of each player's ISS ranking):

IE:

7th- Crouse (3rd in ISS)
11th- Zacha (11th in ISS)
15th- Konecny (14th in ISS)
19th- Greenway (19th in ISS)
23rd-Bittner (30th in ISS)
27th-Sprong (Outside top 30 in ISS)

7th- Noah Hanifin (Easiest pick at 7)
11th- Dylan Strome (Or Marner)
15th- Yevgeni Svechnikov (Top 10 talent to me)
19th- Kyle Connor
23rd- Jansen Harkins
27th- Jeremy Roy (Absolute madness that he's not a top 30 prospect to these guys though)

 

[aragorn]

Just to drum up some conversation...


Fill out who you would draft, if the Sens in the following places (being within 4+ places of each player's ISS ranking):

IE:

7th- Crouse (3rd in ISS)
11th- Zacha (11th in ISS)
15th- Konecny (14th in ISS)
19th- Greenway (19th in ISS)
23rd-Bittner (30th in ISS)
27th-Sprong (Outside top 30 in ISS)

I'm guessing that Ottawa will end up out of the playoffs at this point & should probably trade a number of assets for picks, prospects or players. I think that Crouse should be drafted right around where Ottawa will be picking & they should have a shot at drafting him with their first. I also think they could get a late first if they trade Anderson ( not sure if they will) & they could use that late first to draft Meloche or Carlo who could also fall to the 2nd rd. They have two early 2nd rd picks & I like Roy as a big centre & Bittner or Greenway.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Just to drum up some conversation...


Fill out who you would draft, if the Sens in the following places (being within 4+ places of each player's ISS ranking):

IE:

7th- Crouse (3rd in ISS) Strome
11th- Zacha (11th in ISS) Provorov
15th- Konecny (14th in ISS) kylington
19th- Greenway (19th in ISS) Svechnikov
23rd-Bittner (30th in ISS) Harkin
27th-Sprong (Outside top 30 in ISS Meier or Sprong

What i'd do

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

I'm guessing that Ottawa will end up out of the playoffs at this point & should probably trade a number of assets for picks, prospects or players. I think that Crouse should be drafted right around where Ottawa will be picking & they should have a shot at drafting him with their first. I also think they could get a late first if they trade Anderson ( not sure if they will) & they could use that late first to draft Meloche or Carlo who could also fall to the 2nd rd. They have two early 2nd rd picks & I like Roy as a big centre & Bittner or Greenway.

How many players have produced at Crouse's rate and turned into top line forwards? Tons of sites and articles have him as high as top 5 though so idk what to think. The production is just so scary.

 

[Hale The Villain]

How many players have produced at Crouse's rate and turned into top line forwards? Tons of sites and articles have him as high as top 5 though so idk what to think. The production is just so scary.

Who cares about his production. Kid is a smooth-skating 6'4, 215lbs beast with a great shot and decent hands and vision. Crouse is built for the NHL game.

If you're looking for comparables: Blake Wheeler, Milan Lucic, Andrew Ladd - all guys who put up mediocre junior/college numbers, yet were able to develop into top line forwards because their skills package translated so well to the NHL level.

Scouts are high on him because they judge prospects using the eye-test, not browsing hockeydb. This Crouse debate brings me back to 2011 when Sens fans were arguing over whether Landeskog was worth a top 5 selection because he wasn't putting up the same numbers as Huberdeau or Strome.

 

[JonnyMacSen]

I can only rank the players I've seen play a couple times so some may be left out for that reason.

7th - Zacha
11th - Barzal
15th - Zboril
19th - Konecny
23rd - Sprong
27th - Nicolas Roy

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Who cares about his production. Kid is a smooth-skating 6'4, 215lbs beast with a great shot and decent hands and vision. Crouse is built for the NHL game.

If you're looking for comparables: Blake Wheeler, Milan Lucic, Andrew Ladd - all guys who put up mediocre junior/college numbers, yet were able to develop into top line forwards because their skills package translated so well to the NHL level.

Scouts are high on him because they judge prospects using the eye-test, not browsing hockeydb. This Crouse debate brings me back to 2011 when Sens fans were arguing over whether Landeskog was worth a top 5 selection because he wasn't putting up the same numbers as Huberdeau or Strome.

Wheeler produced well in the USHL, Ladd had an over a ppg year in the WHL and Lucic went with a second round pick not a top 5.

 

[stempniaksen]

I'd be pretty thrilled with either one of Barzal or Konecny. They seem to be in the range that we'll be drafting in.

 

[Neiler]

I hope the pick will be Zacha. Looks like the perfect player for us.

Also won't be surprised to see him move up the rankings between now and the draft. Hope he craps the bed between now and then so he's still around when we pick.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Wheeler produced well in the USHL, Ladd had an over a ppg year in the WHL and Lucic went with a second round pick not a top 5.

Wheeler put up well under a PPG in the USHL the year after he was drafted 5th overall. That's not impressive production. He also never touched the PPG mark in the NCAA in his 3 years playing for the Gophers.

Ladd put up over a PPG in his draft year, but only had 45 points in 65 games the year after, which is similar production to Crouse right now.

Lucic wasn't picked high, but he's a comparable because he's another guy with a very transferable skills package that never put up big numbers in junior, yet can be counted on to put up top line winger type numbers in any given season.

 

[SaltyPete]

Who here has actually watched Crouse play outside of the WJC?