Prospect Info: 2015 NHL Entry Draft Thread | It's The Final Countdown: TODAY!

[lakai17]

goaltenders at 18 are far from reliable

I never stated we'd toss him in the lineup for 2015-2016, ask me what I know about developing goaltenders.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I never stated we'd toss him in the lineup for 2015-2016, ask me what I know about developing goaltenders.

I think passing on players like Svechnikov, or Roy, or Zboril or Merkley would be a huge mistake
this is a deep draft and the quality for an impact player is still there at #16
I'm not willing to roll the dice on a goalie solely based on need

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I only saw Roy at the top prospects game but I came away unimpressed. The same could be said of Meloche though who I hoped would make a positive impression since he's bigger and more physical. If Roy's ?'s are his skating and his shot then that sounds like a late 1st rounder to me. I was much more impressed with guys like Svechnikov and Bittner than I was Roy.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I think passing on players like Svechnikov, or Roy, or Zboril or Merkley would be a huge mistake
this is a deep draft and the quality for an impact player is still there at #16
I'm not willing to roll the dice on a goalie solely based on need

Why take Merkley though? Where does he fit long term? Eberle's replacement? I like the player but not the fit on our team.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

I have not seen him live. His skating is ranked 3/5 which is good, not great! Why would we take an average skating mid sized defenseman at 16th overall? There are far better prospects both offensive and defensive who will be available. Bpa with the team theme in mind which I would say is speed. If his playmaking ability doesnt translate into success at the next level he wont make it. If a defenseman is projected to be offensive and is a great skater more times than not they just turn into a good defenseman with a first pass once they make the NHL. In short no backup plan with this guy, and thats a pretty valuable pick to take that kind of chance! IMHO

Exactly you haven't watched him so you don't know how dominant he is. Who are these better offensive dmen that will be available at that pick?

 

[lakai17]

I would like to trade that 16th to move up this draft and get Crouse.

Imagine getting McDavid + Crouse in the 1st round.

Bittner being the gamble compared to Crouse.

 

[Game 8]

That's an empty statement in itself. Just because he is (supposedly) better than the rest doesn't mean he is worthy of a 1st round selection.

EDIT: Also, "The Tampa mold", well let me tell you, they got their starting goalie for Cory freaking Conacher. No need to spend a 1st rounder when you can find them much cheaper through trade.

Bishop was a great find through a trade and it does happen you are correct. The more I look into it the less I see it as a guaranteed route to success. Here is what I think.


Based on:
- Both Stanley Cup finalist teams drafted Goalies they played with last night in the first or second round either starter or backup.
-Chicago typically does draft a Goalie in the late rounds as a flyer, to date these picks have not been succesful.
- We (The Oilers) have left this area very neglected for years. In fact we only have one drafted starting Goalie in our history, and have not typically taken a flyer on a late Goalie draft pick.
- Goalies can take a few years to develop, so that being said how many more years do we have to mess around?
- We are going nowhere in the Playoffs without a very good starting Goalie and a very capable backup.

I would suggest the shotgun approach!
- Try to get someone decent through trade or free agent without offering up one of our previous selected first round picks or future ones.
- Spend a high draft pick on an 18 year old we think can develop into a franchise goalie.
- Take more flyers with lower draft picks.

 

[lakai17]

EDIT: Also, "The Tampa mold", well let me tell you, they got their starting goalie for Cory freaking Conacher. No need to spend a 1st rounder when you can find them much cheaper through trade.

I am talking Vasilevskiy, not Bishop. Vasilevskiy will be one of the best goaltenders in the game soon enough.

Bishop

 

[Johnny McBravo]

I would like to trade that 16th to move up this draft and get Crouse.

Imagine getting McDavid + Crouse in the 1st round.

Bittner being the gamble compared to Crouse.

I wonder if a team like Colorado would be willing to trade down to 16. Marincin plus our 1st is a good offer.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

I would like to trade that 16th to move up this draft and get Crouse.

Imagine getting McDavid + Crouse in the 1st round.

Bittner being the gamble compared to Crouse.

What's the difference between Bittner and say, Purcell?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Why take Merkley though? Where does he fit long term? Eberle's replacement? I like the player but not the fit on our team.

I'm a big Merkley fan...the guys motor never stops, is a leader on the Rockets and is a great point producer
RH shot to boot

you can never have enough talent in the top 9 IMO...especially in a salary-cap world

 

[s7ark]

it's different for forward then d-men IMO...if you're considered a "puck-mover" I think you gotta be able to skate good...especially if you're not as big like Roy

maybe he makes up for it with his IQ and vision but skating is a legit concern

anyways, I'd be livid if we passed on Roy, Zboril, Svechnikov for Samsonov

Skating is one of the easier things to improve. Plenty of players are drafted with skating problems that fix them and go on to have successful careers.

I believe the big knock on Letang in his draft was his skating. Looks fine now.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I would like to trade that 16th to move up this draft and get Crouse.

Imagine getting McDavid + Crouse in the 1st round.

Bittner being the gamble compared to Crouse.

I'd be down with that although I'd sooner address our defense right now.

I'm a big Merkley fan...the guys motor never stops, is a leader on the Rockets and is a great point producer
RH shot to boot

you can never have enough talent in the top 9 IMO...especially in a salary-cap world

I know what makes him a good player, however he doesn't bring anything that we don't have.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Skating is one of the easier things to improve. Plenty of players are drafted with skating problems that fix them and go on to have successful careers.

I believe the big knock on Letang in his draft was his skating. Looks fine now.

And for some players they never overcome it (Musil, Plante, Schremp).

 

[Bryanbryoil]

What's the difference between Bittner and say, Purcell?

Bittner plays more in the trenches and isn't a perimeter player. Purcell has more skill but we could use a player like Bittner more.

 

[The Bored Man]

Disregard draft picks, acquire NHLers.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Disregard draft picks, acquire NHLers.

That should be our motto unless all that we can return are garbage NHLers for the picks.

 

[Zaddy]

Exactly you haven't watched him so you don't know how dominant he is. Who are these better offensive dmen that will be available at that pick?

Vince Dunn

I am talking Vasilevskiy, not Bishop. Vasilevskiy will be one of the best goaltenders in the game soon enough.

Bishop

I know, but you realize Bishop was good enough for his team to reach the Cup finals and take 2 games from Chicago? Tampa defeated the Rangers which has one of the "best goaltenders in the game". Similarly Chicago has won three Cups with Niemi and Crawford as their goalies, neither of which is a top5 goalie in the NHL. Not to mention the fact that Samsonov is likely not as good as Vasilevski anyway so taking him in the 1st just doesn't make much sense. If it was a weak draft year then maybe but this year? No, thank you. Let someone else make that mistake.

Skating is one of the easier things to improve. Plenty of players are drafted with skating problems that fix them and go on to have successful careers.

I believe the big knock on Letang in his draft was his skating. Looks fine now.

Like Bryan said, just as many never make it to the NHL due to not being able to overcome their skating issues. For a big, tough guy who is there to clear the crease and win board battles having Roy's level of skating would be fine, but for a guy with his skillset and the role that he is projected in I really do think he needs to improve his skating quite a bit. I'm too lazy to think but are there any examples in todays NHL of offensive d-men in a top4 role that does not have elite skating?

 

[FunkyChicken]

You can move Provorov up into tier 2 IMO.

I agree. I personally don't like the agreed upon 3-5 range and don't see much difference between them and the next group of 5 or so.
My list to 16 would look like...

1. McDavid
2. Eichel
3. Hanifin
4. Provorov
5. Marner
6. Strome
7. Rantanan
8. Crouse
9. Werenski
10. Meier
11. Zacha
12. Barzal
13. Connor
14. Svechnikov
15. Zboril
16. Guryanov/Roy (undecided)

 

[PaPaDee]

That should be our motto unless all that we can return are garbage NHLers for the picks.

Yep - we need to get some actual NHL players, so that the players we do draft have time to develop instead of being rushed into the NHL.

 

[FunkyChicken]

Skating is one of the easier things to improve. Plenty of players are drafted with skating problems that fix them and go on to have successful careers.

I believe the big knock on Letang in his draft was his skating. Looks fine now.

I agree that skating is sometimes easy to fix. My one concern with Roy is that in the NHL you can be smaller or slower but not both. Anyone with skating expertise have an assessment on Roy's issues?

 

[dustrock]

Disregard draft picks, acquire NHLers.

I dunno. Draft picks seem more important than ever in the cap era.

You can't have the cupboards bare.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

It took me way too long to find this through google considering the draft is next week so i'll leave this here to save you the trouble.

First round, Friday, June 26, beginning 7 p.m. ET
rounds 2-7, Saturday, June 27, beginning 10 a.m. ET.

TV: Live both days. Friday: NBC Sports Network, Sportsnet in Canada. Saturday: NHL Network, Sportsnet 1.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2015-06-13/nhl-entry-draft-june-26-27-date-time-tv-top-prospects-selection-order-connor-mcdavid

 

[40oz]

It took me way too long to find this through google considering the draft is next week so i'll leave this here to save you the trouble.



http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/story/2015-06-13/nhl-entry-draft-june-26-27-date-time-tv-top-prospects-selection-order-connor-mcdavid

10 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes, and 14 seconds.

 

[McDoused]

I only saw Roy at the top prospects game but I came away unimpressed. The same could be said of Meloche though who I hoped would make a positive impression since he's bigger and more physical. If Roy's ?'s are his skating and his shot then that sounds like a late 1st rounder to me. I was much more impressed with guys like Svechnikov and Bittner than I was Roy.

What? Roy was arguably the second best dman at the top prospects game. He might not have been Provorov good but a lot of people really like him. Here are what a few fans said following the game:

Loved: Konecny, Provorov
Really liked: McDavid, Pilon, Chabot, J. Roy, Meier, Bittner
Liked: Marner, Sprong, Harkins, Chlapik

Really liked Jeremy Roy's game today, made some nice crisp passes and strong defensively. Was also impressed by Thomas Chabot's game.

Jeremy Roy had a fantastic game, shoots right. Carlo has never been good.

I would be estatic if we drafted Roy. He is a kid that was taken really high in the QMJHL draft as was expected to jump in right away and produce for his team. Last year, Sherbrooke was the worst team in the league with only 41 points. His team only scored 180 goals and he contributed on 44 of them, in his ROOKIE season. This year he still lead the Sherbrooke defence in scoring despite missing games to injury. He managed 43 points and was playing through injury most of the season.

A lower-body injury limited Roy to 46 games this season and also prevented him from taking part in some of the physical testing at the NHL Scouting Combine. But he still led Sherbrooke defensemen with five goals and 43 points.

I forget where I read it but Roy has one of the best contribution ratings from a defenceman since like Doughty.