Prospect Info: 2015 NHL Entry Draft Thread | It's The Final Countdown: TODAY!

[FunkyChicken]

Would it be possible for the Oilers to maybe package their 16th, one of their seconds, and a mid level prospect to get into the top 10?? This may be used to pick a better player. Or package say the 6th overall with something to get an established dman.... I apologize if this is up already and needs to be merged but I couldn't find it anywhere

I see the early parts of the draft as falling into four tiers.

Tier 1. McDavid, Eichel
Tier 2. Strome, Marner, Hanifin
Tier 3. Barzal, Provorov, Werenski, Zacha, Crouse, Rantanan, Meier, Connor
Tier 4. Roy, Svechnikov, Zboril, Eriksson, Konecny, Guryanov

If the 57th pick lets you jump up a tier then I'd be all for it, otherwise its probably just better to pick at 16.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Meloche at 6 is interesting. Like Werenski, he's a July '97 birthday, and he's the most physical d-men in that top 10. Wouldn't take him at 16 but I'd be interested at 33 for sure.

Are you saying you wouldnt take Werenski at 16 or Meloche? You make it sound like Werenski but I assume you mean Meloche haha

 

[dustrock]

Are you saying you wouldnt take Werenski at 16 or Meloche? You make it sound like Werenski but I assume you mean Meloche haha

sorry. Werenski absolutely at 16, Meloche I would not.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

sorry. Werenski absolutely at 16, Meloche I would not.

Ok that makes sense. I was thinking damn what did Werenski ever do to you?

 

[Gambl0r83*]

What about the pre-season phenom Vladimir Tkachev! 16th Overall c'mon boys!

 

[HeavyHitter99]

What about the pre-season phenom Vladimir Tkachev! 16th Overall c'mon boys!

Tkachev shouldn't be drafted period.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

I see the early parts of the draft as falling into four tiers.

Tier 1. McDavid, Eichel
Tier 2. Strome, Marner, Hanifin
Tier 3. Barzal, Provorov, Werenski, Zacha, Crouse, Rantanan, Meier, Connor
Tier 4. Roy, Svechnikov, Zboril, Eriksson, Konecny, Guryanov

If the 57th pick lets you jump up a tier then I'd be all for it, otherwise its probably just better to pick at 16.

Personally I have Meier and Connor in a small tier in the 12/13 spots. I think they're better than your tier 4, but not QUITE with your Tier 3.

 

[Zaddy]

I just hope we draft one or more offensive d-men in this draft. We really have no one to fill that role whether it's on the team or in the pipeline outside of maybe LaLeggia. Schultz is Schultz, Nurse isn't projected to be an offensive force, Klefbom at best probably tops out at around 30 points a year. Marincin is not an offensive guy.

This draft has plenty of those guys so this is the team to load up on them and hope that one of them becomes that superstar. Who was even the last guy we drafted that had the upside of a Keith/Weber/Karlsson or even Klingberg? It's time to take some risk and go hard for these guys.

At 16 you take one of Chabot and Roy
At 33 you take Kylington if he falls, otherwise use it on Dunn
At 57 you take one of Dermott, Vande Sompel and Andersson
At 79 you take one of Lindgren, Guhle and Capobianco

I'm not saying get all these guys but it shows what options there are and I really think we ought to get at least one or two of them. Particularly #33 I like for a d-man. Preferably Dunn/Kylington but otherwise Juulsen or Jacob Larsson if he is still there. My first choice would be to trade up and get Werenski if he falls outside the top10 but barring that I'd really want to get a few of these guys. I'd probably go forward for #16, d-men for #33 and #57 and then possibly goalie at #79.

Realistically I think the Oilers plan this year is to go Svechnikov at #16, Samsonov/Carlo at #33 and Hintz at #57. That's my guess. I just don't want Carlo, he's another guy that's going to be a shutdown player at the NHL level if he even reaches the league at all. Need to use #33 on a blue-chip offensive d-man IMO.

 

[Oilers10]

I'm hoping Werenski drops. I know its very unlikely but who knows maybe teams will be gunning for more offense and defence will be put on the back burner. I would've been happy when we were thought to be drafting 3-5 to get Hanifin and it seems like scouts think the difference between Hanifin and Werenski are negligible. Werenski is even said to be more offensive.

 

[dustrock]

Tkachev shouldn't be drafted period.

Dunno about that. I mean, drafting Tkachev over say Coughlin or Bouchard would have seemed saner to me even last year.

This year, when you're in Round 7, is it so wrong to take a flyer on Tkachev, who played well at your rookie camp last year? The odds that any Round 7 pick will make it is remote anyway.

 

[Zaddy]

Dunno about that. I mean, drafting Tkachev over say Coughlin or Bouchard would have seemed saner to me even last year.

This year, when you're in Round 7, is it so wrong to take a flyer on Tkachev, who played well at your rookie camp last year? The odds that any Round 7 pick will make it is remote anyway.

Thing is, he'll probably be passed over anyway. Why waste a draft pick on him? Invite him to camp again and sign him if he shows well.

 

[Jejune]

Personally I have Meier and Connor in a small tier in the 12/13 spots. I think they're better than your tier 4, but not QUITE with your Tier 3.

I feel like Connor is the most likely reach for a team in the 6-9 spot, a la Scheifele or Couture.

I'd also include Merkley in that 4th tier, he's definitely amongst that group.

 

[dustrock]

Thing is, he'll probably be passed over anyway. Why waste a draft pick on him? Invite him to camp again and sign him if he shows well.

Can we do that this time?

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Dunno about that. I mean, drafting Tkachev over say Coughlin or Bouchard would have seemed saner to me even last year.

This year, when you're in Round 7, is it so wrong to take a flyer on Tkachev, who played well at your rookie camp last year? The odds that any Round 7 pick will make it is remote anyway.

Thing is, he'll probably be passed over anyway. Why waste a draft pick on him? Invite him to camp again and sign him if he shows well.

Especially after a terrible season. We might as well just invite him to camp. With late round pick Europeans are the way to go. Lots of Euros this year that put up solid numbers but aren't getting any attention.

 

[stratedge]

Or trade a player to a playoff tweener for their first... Only for them to not make the playoffs..

They win lottery. We pick first

With the change to the lottery system and now 3 lottery winners drafting 1/2/3, my money is that the value of 1st round picks just shot up dramatically and we don't see them traded save for star players and/or at the trade deadline by teams that are certain they're in.

 

[Zaddy]

Especially after a terrible season. We might as well just invite him to camp. With late round pick Europeans are the way to go. Lots of Euros this year that put up solid numbers but aren't getting any attention.

Exactly. There's lots of good players to be had in the late rounds. Djurgården 6'2 centre Lukas Vejdemo is a guy I'm quite interested in. Overage but had a great year. Two-way guy with good hockey sense and skating, seems to be a bit of a leader. Won the J20 SuperElit with his team and was named playoffs MVP. Should see a lot of minutes in SHL next year with the men's team.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Exactly. There's lots of good players to be had in the late rounds. Djurgården 6'2 centre Lukas Vejdemo is a guy I'm quite interested in. Overage but had a great year. Two-way guy with good hockey sense and skating, seems to be a bit of a leader. Won the J20 SuperElit with his team and was named playoffs MVP. Should see a lot of minutes in SHL next year with the men's team.

Vejdemo is near the top of my list for 6th/7th rounders. Forsberg and Dahlstrom too could go that late or not at all. Saarela was once considered a top 5 pick and imo he still has the potential. He had a decent first year in Finland's top league then had a very good U18. He is very skilled.

I wish we would pick Dzierkals in the 4th.



See you and I agree on most things and you seem to follow the draft as much as I do! I just wish you would give Schemitsch more credit haha. If he's available in the 3rd then I pray we take him. Total package, no real faults.

 

[Raab]

I see the early parts of the draft as falling into four tiers.

Tier 1. McDavid, Eichel
Tier 2. Strome, Marner, Hanifin
Tier 3. Barzal, Provorov, Werenski, Zacha, Crouse, Rantanan, Meier, Connor
Tier 4. Roy, Svechnikov, Zboril, Eriksson, Konecny, Guryanov

If the 57th pick lets you jump up a tier then I'd be all for it, otherwise its probably just better to pick at 16.

You can move Provorov up into tier 2 IMO.

 

[Zaddy]

Vejdemo is near the top of my list for 6th/7th rounders. Forsberg and Dahlstrom too could go that late or not at all. Saarela was once considered a top 5 pick and imo he still has the potential. He had a decent first year in Finland's top league then had a very good U18. He is very skilled.

I wish we would pick Dzierkals in the 4th.



See you and I agree on most things and you seem to follow the draft as much as I do! I just wish you would give Schemitsch more credit haha. If he's available in the 3rd then I pray we take him. Total package, no real faults.

Yeah, I'm definitely on board with taking Dzierkals or Dahlström. I'm not too keen on Saarela but you know there's talent there so taking a flyer on him in the 5th or so wouldn't be awful even if it's not a guy I'd personally go after, but you could definitely do worse than him.

Schemitsch sounds real interesting but he's one of few guys I haven't watched a single game of so hard for me to give him credit

Might have to go back and watch a few Owen Sound games. They have McNiven, Sharipzyanov and Oilers prospect Platzer too so they're not entirely as uninteresting as I had imagined.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Yeah, I'm definitely on board with taking Dzierkals or Dahlström. I'm not too keen on Saarela but you know there's talent there so taking a flyer on him in the 5th or so wouldn't be awful even if it's not a guy I'd personally go after, but you could definitely do worse than him.

Schemitsch sounds real interesting but he's one of few guys I haven't watched a single game of so hard for me to give him credit

Might have to go back and watch a few Owen Sound games. They have McNiven, Sharipzyanov and Oilers prospect Platzer too so they're not entirely as uninteresting as I had imagined.

You should really look into Schemitsch. 6'4" ~210 lbs, 49 points in 60 some games. Skates well for his size, QBs the PP, he's a fixture on one of the best PKs in the OHL. No obvious faults though he could be more physical.

He's like Nurse but without the nastiness and elite skating. Still a good skater though.

 

[Zaddy]

On another note this Sam Miletic kid that just committed to London Knights for next year looks like an interesting prospect. Only seen a few highlights of him but he's a big C who can skate, drives to the net and seem to have a decent shot. With the Knights track record I wouldn't be against using a late round pick on this kid. Will probably play behind Marner and Dvorak next year, meaning #3C duties but will likely be the go-to guy in his final junior year. Maybe goes a bit under the radar due to playing on that awful Green Bay Gamblers team. Similar to Vili Saarijärvi, his numbers doesn't make him look like an enticing prospect but seeing Saarijärvi in the U18's really sold me on him. This kid might look real good once he is in a good organization. Had great numbers in highschool the year before this.

 

[misfit]

I'm hoping Werenski drops. I know its very unlikely but who knows maybe teams will be gunning for more offense and defence will be put on the back burner. I would've been happy when we were thought to be drafting 3-5 to get Hanifin and it seems like scouts think the difference between Hanifin and Werenski are negligible. Werenski is even said to be more offensive.

Do you mean forwards or offense? Because teams looking to add offense would surely have Werenski on the radar considering he's one of the best offensive defensemen in the draft (if not the best).

Either way, I don't see him dropping all the way down to us at 16. We would still have to trade up for any chance of drafting him, even if it's up to 11 or 12.

 

[McDoused]

The more I see what's out there (Talbot/Lehner/etc) the more I want to hang onto the picks.

If we walk away with McDavid, Roy, Larsson, Dunn and Guhle we are laughing.

 

[KCC]

The more I see what's out there (Talbot/Lehner/etc) the more I want to hang onto the picks.

If we walk away with McDavid, Roy, Larsson, Dunn and Guhle we are laughing.

It is such a deep draft that it might be possible to pull off some crazy trade as well. Perhaps Chiarelli pulls a deal no one is expecting.

 

[HeavyHitter99]

Alexandar Georgiyev is an interesting goalie that may go late or might not be drafted at all. He went undrafted last year but had solid numbers in Sm-Liiga.