Prospect Info: 2015 Draft Thread

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Agreed. I don't believe the Teubert pick was off the board either.

Nobody suggested those picks were off the board like Hickey. They were poor judgements that completely overlooked skill, and we've seen many teams make that mistake, like we've seen with the likes of McIlrath, Valabik, Schultz, Ellerby, Brian Lee (picked before Kopi), etc.

There are many examples of these big dmen with limited skill who don't pan out, Teubert was one of those, wouldn't shock me if Forbort winds up being one either.
 
Agreed. I don't believe the Teubert pick was off the board either.

Tyler Myers was staring them in the face and they blew it. Lombardi and Co. specifically DIDN'T want Myers so they let Buffalo move up to take him.

Meanwhile, 7 years later, Myers has more than 400 NHL games under his belt and Teubert has 24.
 
Tyler Myers was staring them in the face and they blew it. Lombardi and Co. specifically DIDN'T want Myers so they let Buffalo move up to take him.

Meanwhile, 7 years later, Myers has more than 400 NHL games under his belt and Teubert has 24.

While I agree, this happens to every team. You can' get em all right. I'm more concerned with the 'draft for need' aspect of it.
 
Tyler Myers was staring them in the face and they blew it. Lombardi and Co. specifically DIDN'T want Myers so they let Buffalo move up to take him.

Meanwhile, 7 years later, Myers has more than 400 NHL games under his belt and Teubert has 24.

Then realize every other team did the same with top titty
 
Tyler Myers was staring them in the face and they blew it. Lombardi and Co. specifically DIDN'T want Myers so they let Buffalo move up to take him.

Meanwhile, 7 years later, Myers has more than 400 NHL games under his belt and Teubert has 24.

Myers? LOL. We could have had Karlsson at 15. Can you even imagine Doughty - Karlsson pairing?
 
Nobody suggested those picks were off the board like Hickey. They were poor judgements that completely overlooked skill, and we've seen many teams make that mistake, like we've seen with the likes of McIlrath, Valabik, Schultz, Ellerby, Brian Lee (picked before Kopi), etc.

There are many examples of these big dmen with limited skill who don't pan out, Teubert was one of those, wouldn't shock me if Forbort winds up being one either.

Forbort is skilled, its why he was drafted. His size was a plus. Skill and skating is the reason the Kings drafted Forbort.

Now, not talking offensive skill. I am talking about Forbort's ability to move the puck, and hockey IQ. Both are NHL quality.

Forbort is Manchester's best defender. Miller is great offensively, but leaves a lot to be desired in his own end.

The Teubert pick was baffling for me. Teubert in JR hockey looked like a less skilled version of Matt Greene, now ask yourself, would you spend a 13th pick on that ?. Teubert was never a good skater, or skilled, never had an above average Hockey IQ. No idea how he was rated as high, as he was.

I wouldn't worry about Forbort , he is ten times the player Teubert is.
 
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Myers? LOL. We could have had Karlsson at 15. Can you even imagine Doughty - Karlsson pairing?

If it's any consolation, the Ducks were targeting Karlsson. They thought they could trade down from #12 and get him later. So they moved that pick for #17 and #28, then later #28 for #35 and #39. In a vacuum, that looks like a reasonable move. Then Ottawa sniped them by trading up to #15 for Karlsson. Ducks ended up with Jake Gardiner, Nic Deschamps, and Eric O'Dell with their picks instead.

I always use that as a cautionary tale about trading down for extra picks.
 
If it's any consolation, the Ducks were targeting Karlsson. They thought they could trade down from #12 and get him later. So they moved that pick for #17 and #28, then later #28 for #35 and #39. In a vacuum, that looks like a reasonable move. Then Ottawa sniped them by trading up to #15 for Karlsson. Ducks ended up with Jake Gardiner, Nic Deschamps, and Eric O'Dell with their picks instead.

I always use that as a cautionary tale about trading down for extra picks.

I really like stories like this. Kinda a behind the scene's sort of thing
 
I really like stories like this. Kinda a behind the scene's sort of thing

It's too bad teams don't release more stuff, although it's understandable that they don't. The Capitals and Penguins had draft day videos from 2006 and the Blues had ones from 2006/2007. Gare Joyce wrote a book about how Columbus let him be a pseudo scout for their 2006 and 2007 Drafts.

From the Penguins video, Ray Shero's big dilemma was whether to keep the 2nd overall pick or trade it to Carolina for Jack Johnson. At the time, it made sense since they seemingly could have used a franchise D and then add in Crosby/Johnson's friendship. I vaguely recall Shero calling another GM to get another opinion on what to do.

From the Capitals video, they were targeting Nicklas Backstrom at #4. At one point, George McPhee was running through the expected draft scenario with his staff. Everybody knew Erik Johnson going #1. At #2, they figured Jordan Staal was being taken (either by Pittsburgh or Carolina). At #3, McPhee said the Blackhawks were taking either Toews or Kessel which meant they should get Backstrom at #4.

Just before their pick, somebody from the Bruins table offered #5 and #37 in exchange for #4. The Capitals asked who Boston wanted and their rep said "The Swede." Washington then politely declined the offer.

From St. Louis' 2007 video, head scout Jarmo Kekalainen (now Columbus' GM) badly wanted Jakub Voracek. They offered #9 and #24 to Edmonton for #6, but the Oilers opted to keep the pick. When Voracek went off the board at #7, St. Louis then decided to move back since their next target was Lars Eller.

It's interesting to see how much teams might know another team's board. The Blues table was debating if they could get Eller at #13. One scout said something like "Well, Carolina's all over [Brandon] Sutter at #11."

In their 2006 video, Kekalainen/GM Larry Pleau took Johnson #1 but spent the rest of the first round trying to trade up for Patrik Berglund who was in their top 10. Just shows you how "crazy" an NHL team's board might look compared to ISS, Central, etc.

The Avs released a draft prep video a couple years ago. It was mostly vauge, but Rick Pracey bragged about how they had Ryan O'Reilly #15, Stefan Elliott #22, and Tyson Barrie #24 on their 2009 list.

Although it is amusing to compare and contrast how good their 2009 Draft was and yet their 2010 Draft was mostly a disaster. Similarly the Bruins hit it out of the park in 2006 and whiffed badly in 2007.

The Flyers put out a draft video of their 2013 draft prep. The one memorable scene was Paul Holmgren walking in and seeing that his scouts had Sean Monahan ranked behind Sam Morin. Holmgren made a slightly snide comment out of disbelief. And the original release of that video accidentally revealed a good chunk of Philly's board, later it was edited to blur out the names.
 
It's too bad teams don't release more stuff, although it's understandable that they don't. The Capitals and Penguins had draft day videos from 2006 and the Blues had ones from 2006/2007. Gare Joyce wrote a book about how Columbus let him be a pseudo scout for their 2006 and 2007 Drafts.

From the Penguins video, Ray Shero's big dilemma was whether to keep the 2nd overall pick or trade it to Carolina for Jack Johnson. At the time, it made sense since they seemingly could have used a franchise D and then add in Crosby/Johnson's friendship. I vaguely recall Shero calling another GM to get another opinion on what to do.

From the Capitals video, they were targeting Nicklas Backstrom at #4. At one point, George McPhee was running through the expected draft scenario with his staff. Everybody knew Erik Johnson going #1. At #2, they figured Jordan Staal was being taken (either by Pittsburgh or Carolina). At #3, McPhee said the Blackhawks were taking either Toews or Kessel which meant they should get Backstrom at #4.

Just before their pick, somebody from the Bruins table offered #5 and #37 in exchange for #4. The Capitals asked who Boston wanted and their rep said "The Swede." Washington then politely declined the offer.

From St. Louis' 2007 video, head scout Jarmo Kekalainen (now Columbus' GM) badly wanted Jakub Voracek. They offered #9 and #24 to Edmonton for #6, but the Oilers opted to keep the pick. When Voracek went off the board at #7, St. Louis then decided to move back since their next target was Lars Eller.

It's interesting to see how much teams might know another team's board. The Blues table was debating if they could get Eller at #13. One scout said something like "Well, Carolina's all over [Brandon] Sutter at #11."

In their 2006 video, Kekalainen/GM Larry Pleau took Johnson #1 but spent the rest of the first round trying to trade up for Patrik Berglund who was in their top 10. Just shows you how "crazy" an NHL team's board might look compared to ISS, Central, etc.

The Avs released a draft prep video a couple years ago. It was mostly vauge, but Rick Pracey bragged about how they had Ryan O'Reilly #15, Stefan Elliott #22, and Tyson Barrie #24 on their 2009 list.

Although it is amusing to compare and contrast how good their 2009 Draft was and yet their 2010 Draft was mostly a disaster. Similarly the Bruins hit it out of the park in 2006 and whiffed badly in 2007.

The Flyers put out a draft video of their 2013 draft prep. The one memorable scene was Paul Holmgren walking in and seeing that his scouts had Sean Monahan ranked behind Sam Morin. Holmgren made a slightly snide comment out of disbelief. And the original release of that video accidentally revealed a good chunk of Philly's board, later it was edited to blur out the names.

I liked all of this...thank you.
Could you imagine if Chicago took Kessel over Toews? It's one thing for us to look back at a draft and say man we should have taken XYC player over ABC player, but hearing the guys who make the decisions debate fascinates me.
 
Here's some of the video that Brodeur mentioned in his post. It always puzzles me when a team will favor size over skill if all things are equal.

If the guy with size can't keep up, he's useless. Some Flyers fans ranking Morin ahead of Monahan is silly. Like having Mathieu Biron ranked ahead of Simon Gagne. It's simply a stupid methodology.

Sabres behind the scenes of the 2014 draft:


Flames behind the scenes of the 2014 draft:


Flyers behind the scenes of the 2013 draft:


Blue Jackets behind the scenes of the 2013 draft:
 
Here's some of the video that Brodeur mentioned in his post. It always puzzles me when a team will favor size over skill if all things are equal.

If the guy with size can't keep up, he's useless. Some Flyers fans ranking Morin ahead of Monahan is silly. Like having Mathieu Biron ranked ahead of Simon Gagne. It's simply a stupid methodology.

Sabres behind the scenes of the 2014 draft:


Flames behind the scenes of the 2014 draft:


Flyers behind the scenes of the 2013 draft:


Blue Jackets behind the scenes of the 2013 draft:


thanks. If I were not at work in a shared office I would watch right away.

Anyone check the latest hockey news? They are saying there is a pretty much a consensus top 10 then a drop off after that. The next drop off is after pick 22 so prospects in that 11-22 range could go anywhere.
With that said I hope DL either deals to get in the top 10 or deals to fall back to 20
 
I would see whose on the board still at 13 before trading down. But I agree, I would like to see DL move into the top 10 and grab Zacha
 
The THN Draft Preview is out now.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/this-week-in-the-hockey-news-magazine-draft-preview-2015/
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Okay I know I'm gonna get grilled for this but oh well. Personally I'm not too excited about this pick. Looking back at history, the #13th overall pick hasn't been the best so I'm going out on a limb and say we aren't getting anyone special. I seriously hope I'm wrong but I know I'm not that good at that ;) so hopefully we can either trade down or up. Just saying.

edit: Besides our Captain of course!:sarcasm:
 
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interesting spot

Okay I know I'm gonna get grilled for this but oh well. Personally I'm not too excited about this pick. Looking back at history, the #13th overall pick hasn't been the best so I'm going out on a limb and say we aren't getting anyone special. I seriously hope I'm wrong but I know I'm not that good at that ;) so hopefully we can either trade down or up. Just saying.

edit: Besides our Captain of course!:sarcasm:

13th is a really interesting spot at this point - everything I read seems to indicate 12 or 13 very good players and then a drop off - so I could see 13th as a point where there will be offers of trade. I think whoever is left at 13 could either be really valued by us or if not or also by other teams.
 
1. Connor McDavid
2. Jack Eichel
3. Noah Hanifin
4. Mitchell Marner
5. Dylan Strome
6. Pavel Zacha
7. Ivan Provorov
8. Kyle Connor
9. Lawson Crouse
10. Zach Werenski
11. Mathew Barzal
12. Mikko Rantanen
13. Travis Konecny

** likely not going in this order but one of these players will be on the board when we pick - is there anybody in this group you would be unhappy with ? anybody not listed you would prefer ?
obviously the top 5 on this list will be gone - but a chance of any of the others (some more than others)
anybody think somebody here will not be good?
 
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