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Prospect Info: 2015 Draft Thread

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damacles1156 said:
Just because Lombardi/Futa had some misses before in the 1st round. Doesn't mean they should stop trying to pick impact players at the 1-15 spots.

Overwhelmingly the majority of impact NHL players, are picked in the first round. So Tuebert was picked 13th, so what, that has nothing to do with this draft class or these draft players.

You take shots this high up in round one. This draft is very deep 1-15.
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My point was that there is no guarantee with the draft pick but moving richards gives guaranteed cap space and flexibility.
13th is kinda an interesting spot for LA as it's also where Brown was drafted.
 
King'sPawn said:
I have a couple concerns with Meier.
1) He plays with one of the most dynamic junior players, that will lead to an inflation of statistics.
2) 23 of his 44 goals and 35 of his 90 points are on the powerplay.

These are just numerical concerns, where I am unsure how offensively gifted he is.
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I always think of the guy the Kings drafted that played on Crosby's wing in juniors and promptly disappeared. It is a concern. Not a big fan of the Q either. The highlights of Meier are intriguing. He is not without skill. If it can be harnessed he could be a solid offensive force. I have advocated picking him and I will be happy if LA gets him. I am kinda enamored of Konecny right now. Size is a concern tho and I think he will most likely be converted to wing. LA is such a wild card to predict when it comes to the draft tho. Connor is a guy that seems to have a lot of upside too.
 
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kingsfan said:
It won't play for me. Is there a print version someplace?
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"The only time we've made mistakes is when we drafted for need.

Our mistakes have been because we drafted for need early on. They were big mistakes. We compensated for them by hitting in later rounds."
 
Thrice said:
"The only time we've made mistakes is when we drafted for need.

Our mistakes have been because we drafted for need early on. They were big mistakes. We compensated for them by hitting in later rounds."
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And to elaborate on that quote, it's obvious which picks he is inferring to.

2007, Hickey was a big mistake. Yes, he's in the NHL, but given at that draft position, no question he shouldn't have been the fourth player selected in that draft. In the later rounds, they get Simmonds, Martinez and King.

2008, Colten Teubert was a big mistake. They make up for it by taking another defenseman in the second round who should've been a first round selection in Slava Voynov.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
And to elaborate on that quote, it's obvious which picks he is inferring to.

2007, Hickey was a big mistake. Yes, he's in the NHL, but given at that draft position, no question he shouldn't have been the fourth player selected in that draft. In the later rounds, they get Simmonds, Martinez and King.

2008, Colten Teubert was a big mistake. They make up for it by taking another defenseman in the second round who should've been a first round selection in Slava Voynov.
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It's no coincedence that he later goes on to talk about how leaving Hickey in the WHL for two years really hurt his development while Voynov spending time in the AHL at 18 helped his.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
And to elaborate on that quote, it's obvious which picks he is inferring to.

2007, Hickey was a big mistake. Yes, he's in the NHL, but given at that draft position, no question he shouldn't have been the fourth player selected in that draft. In the later rounds, they get Simmonds, Martinez and King.

2008, Colten Teubert was a big mistake. They make up for it by taking another defenseman in the second round who should've been a first round selection in Slava Voynov.
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Alzner should be a king. Still miffed
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
And to elaborate on that quote, it's obvious which picks he is inferring to.

2007, Hickey was a big mistake. Yes, he's in the NHL, but given at that draft position, no question he shouldn't have been the fourth player selected in that draft. In the later rounds, they get Simmonds, Martinez and King.

2008, Colten Teubert was a big mistake. They make up for it by taking another defenseman in the second round who should've been a first round selection in Slava Voynov.
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At work and apparently the MP3 is a web filter violation. My ex-co-worker watches porn for years, that's ok, but DL talking about the entry draft sets off red flags. :shakehead I'll try to listen when I get home.

I'll take your word for it though Ziggy, and I'm a bit appalled that they ever drafted for need. Drafting for need makes no sense. Hickey, Bernier (I presume) Teubert, all show that drafting for need isn't a need after all. By the time Hickey was NHL ready, we didn't even have room for him. We never needed Teubert, even if he had panned out. We got Regehr and it only cost a few 2nds (I still thought we over paid for Regehr but it shows market value of a rugged D-man like what they hoped Teubert would be isn't very high). Bernier was a good pick but again, by the time he's ready so much had changed and he never even got a chance to be a starter because of Quick.

So much changes in three years, which is the minimum time frame from drafting someone until they make a big NHL impact (most top five picks notwithstanding) that drafting for need is just stupid. A big pimp slap to DL, Futa and Yanetti on that one.
 
kingsfan said:
At work and apparently the MP3 is a web filter violation. My ex-co-worker watches porn for years, that's ok, but DL talking about the entry draft sets off red flags. :shakehead I'll try to listen when I get home.

I'll take your word for it though Ziggy, and I'm a bit appalled that they ever drafted for need. Drafting for need makes no sense. Hickey, Bernier (I presume) Teubert, all show that drafting for need isn't a need after all. By the time Hickey was NHL ready, we didn't even have room for him. We never needed Teubert, even if he had panned out. We got Regehr and it only cost a few 2nds (I still thought we over paid for Regehr but it shows market value of a rugged D-man like what they hoped Teubert would be isn't very high). Bernier was a good pick but again, by the time he's ready so much had changed and he never even got a chance to be a starter because of Quick.

So much changes in three years, which is the minimum time frame from drafting someone until they make a big NHL impact (most top five picks notwithstanding) that drafting for need is just stupid. A big pimp slap to DL, Futa and Yanetti on that one.
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I can understand the logic they had behind those selections, but has been stated by the Kings themselves, they screwed up and over thought those selections.

The Kings looked at Jack Johnson as their lone "franchise" defenseman (a billing that I don't think he ever lived up to and doesn't appear he ever will be that player). They clearly were set at building from the net out, and so they thought they'd be getting another Visnovsky like defenseman in Hickey (and I think that's why Lubo was moved, to add more grit to the roster, and they probably thought Hickey would be ready in 2-3 seasons).

Once they added another highly skilled defenseman in Doughty, they felt that they need one more piece on the blueline to build for the future, a big, imposing figure to fit in with Doughty, Johnson, and Hickey. And so they select Teubert. Those two mistakes based on need ended up hampering them, but thankfully they've made up for them. Time will tell whether they screwed up when they moved up in 2010 to select Forbort, but at least we can say they made up for it when they were able to get another player who should've been a first round selection in Tyler Toffoli.

It is difficult to pass up on world class talent to go with a project defenseman. Look at how stupid the Rangers look for selecting Dylan McIlrath over Cam Fowler. NEVER take a project defenseman. It's a stupid mistake I see backfiring many times, and more often than not, they don't work out. Defensemen like that can be acquired more easily than having to trade or sign for a Tarasenko or Voracek or Fowler.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I can understand the logic they had behind those selections, but has been stated by the Kings themselves, they screwed up and over thought those selections.

The Kings looked at Jack Johnson as their lone "franchise" defenseman (a billing that I don't think he ever lived up to and doesn't appear he ever will be that player). They clearly were set at building from the net out, and so they thought they'd be getting another Visnovsky like defenseman in Hickey (and I think that's why Lubo was moved, to add more grit to the roster, and they probably thought Hickey would be ready in 2-3 seasons).

Once they added another highly skilled defenseman in Doughty, they felt that they need one more piece on the blueline to build for the future, a big, imposing figure to fit in with Doughty, Johnson, and Hickey. And so they select Teubert. Those two mistakes based on need ended up hampering them, but thankfully they've made up for them. Time will tell whether they screwed up when they moved up in 2010 to select Forbort, but at least we can say they made up for it when they were able to get another player who should've been a first round selection in Tyler Toffoli.

It is difficult to pass up on world class talent to go with a project defenseman. Look at how stupid the Rangers look for selecting Dylan McIlrath over Cam Fowler. NEVER take a project defenseman. It's a stupid mistake I see backfiring many times, and more often than not, they don't work out. Defensemen like that can be acquired more easily than having to trade or sign for a Tarasenko or Voracek or Fowler.
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They didn't screw up taking Forbort at where he was selected. Forbort was the highest rated player left at that spot, other than Tarasenko.

The Kings went with Forbort. Forbort was not a reach where he was selected. Forbort/Tarasenko were the BPA at that slot.

Hickey at 4th overall is a screw up, Hickey should have been a 15th or 20th selection, Hickey was not the top rated, or even a top Five rated Defender(If I remember correctly).
 
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damacles1156 said:
They didn't screw up taking Forbort at where he was selected. Forbort was the highest rated player left at that spot, other than Tarasenko.

The Kings went with Forbort. Forbort was not a reach where he was selected. Forbort/Tarasenko were the BPA at that slot.

Hickey at 4th overall is a screw up, Hickey should have been a 15th or 20th selection, Hickey was not the top rated, or even a top Five rated Defender(If I remember correctly).
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What's interesting about the Forbort pick is that there was discussion that draft year that of the USNDT defensemen available in that draft (Forbort, Tinordi, Merrill, Faulk), that Faulk was the most talented of the group. Tinordi was recognized as the toughest, Merrill was a bit of a wild card, and Forbort had probably the most untapped potential due to his size.

Nobody ever said they reached in selecting Forbort, but I think there is a legit reason to discuss if he really was the best player available given that he was never one to demonstrate a high level of skill. It's like one of those Jeff Schultz or Keaton Ellerby selections, that's what I liken the Forbort pick to.

Aside from Tarasenko, one of the much discussed about names that was bandied about here who may have been another great option would've been Nick Bjugstad. Florida is blessed to have him down the middle.
 
Kyle Connor could be someone available to us at 13. I've read he is slated to attend the University of Michigan in the fall. I've also read, here I think, that the Kings don't like their prospects playing at UM. Something about the lack of structure in the program. Otherwise that though, he'd be the perfect 2nd/3rd line center prospect.
 
Like Harkins Size,Skill Better Than Connor

apadilla said:
Kyle Connor could be someone available to us at 13. I've read he is slated to attend the University of Michigan in the fall. I've also read, here I think, that the Kings don't like their prospects playing at UM. Something about the lack of structure in the program. Otherwise that though, he'd be the perfect 2nd/3rd line center prospect.
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You may be infatuated with Kyle Connor but I'm telling you the Kings better take Jansen Harkins over Connor if he's available because he has better size,is more skilled and will be a 2nd line centre in the NHL someday.Can't say that will happen to Connor!
 
apadilla said:
Kyle Connor could be someone available to us at 13. I've read he is slated to attend the University of Michigan in the fall. I've also read, here I think, that the Kings don't like their prospects playing at UM. Something about the lack of structure in the program. Otherwise that though, he'd be the perfect 2nd/3rd line center prospect.
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Probably one strike against the Kings picking him then.
 
Dug up Gann's article on DL's comments about Red Berenson and UMich's hockey program.

"Michigan is the worst.” Lombardi added. “For hockey people, if you’ve got a choice between a kid—all things being equal—one’s going to Michigan and one’s going to Boston University, you all want your player [going to Boston University]. Michigan’s players—[head coach] Red [Berenson] doesn’t coach. It’s ‘do what you want.’ He gets the best players in the country."
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http://frozenroyalty.net/2010/01/20/dean-lombardi-jack-johnson-is-learning-his-craft-belatedly/

So, uh, perhaps the Kings won't be going after Zach Werenski or Kyle Connor...
 
So they would pass on Jacob Trouba or Dylan Larkin because they were committed to Michigan?
 
nki said:
So they would pass on Jacob Trouba or Dylan Larkin because they were committed to Michigan?
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He did say all things being equal.

So if Dylan Larkin and an equally talented kid were available, he would pass up on Larkin.
 
donkozak said:
You may be infatuated with Kyle Connor but I'm telling you the Kings better take Jansen Harkins over Connor if he's available because he has better size,is more skilled and will be a 2nd line centre in the NHL someday.Can't say that will happen to Connor!
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don kozak. Man, I remember "Crazy" Don Kozak. Loved his play and heart. Those were the crazy broad street bully days.

You don't think Jansen Harkins is a bit of a reach at 13? If the Kings were that high on him, they should see about trading down to say 16th and maybe getting an extra 2nd rounder in '16. I think a team like Edmonton would be game, for their '16 2nd.
 
damacles1156 said:
They didn't screw up taking Forbort at where he was selected. Forbort was the highest rated player left at that spot, other than Tarasenko.

The Kings went with Forbort. Forbort was not a reach where he was selected. Forbort/Tarasenko were the BPA at that slot.

Hickey at 4th overall is a screw up, Hickey should have been a 15th or 20th selection, Hickey was not the top rated, or even a top Five rated Defender(If I remember correctly).
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Agreed. I don't believe the Teubert pick was off the board either.
 
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