OT: 2015 Draft picks updates - II

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Senyshyn is nearly 20 years old, playing junior hockey with kids 16 and 17 years old. And he's not even averaging a point a game. Sorry, but looks like another career AHL'er.

Does Zach turn 20 on March 30? Pretty much when his season is done?

I suppose it helps your point to suggest he's almost 20? He'll he's closer to 30 than he is to 5... that might help your argument even more?

Of course being unable to do basic math might throw your entire argument into question?

No need to be sorry..

 

[ODAAT]

Senyshyn is nearly 20 years old, playing junior hockey with kids 16 and 17 years old. And he's not even averaging a point a game. Sorry, but looks like another career AHL'er.

Solid contribution with correct and sound reasoning

 

[Montecristo]

Senyshyn is on a tear right now. Only sokolov, Tippett and debrincat with more goals in the ohl. Tied for 4th with less GP than the others.

 

[DKH]

Senyshyn is nearly 20 years old, playing junior hockey with kids 16 and 17 years old. And he's not even averaging a point a game. Sorry, but looks like another career AHL'er.

I love it when I post stuff like this - I get a bit tingly when I hit send and if it's not cold I go out on the back and go Bwahahaha

 

[finchster]

It's Senyshyn's last year of Jr hockey, he should be dominating if he's to be a top six guy.

I usually put little stock in players who dominate their last year. Even though I think Meusoc is incorrect, he is right about Senyshyn being amongst the oldest in an age restricted league gives him an advantage. Remember how excited we were (well not me) when Camara had a great year in his final year of Jr? Huge years from guys who did previously in their last year of Jr usually means nothing, but Senyshyn was a goal scoring machine the previous year too.

Having said that, last year was more important as a prospect than this year. As I stated before, most players who become top six guys in the NHL usually score more goals and points the year after they're drafted in overwhelming numbers.

Seeing a steady upward progression for Senyshyn gives me hope in him as a prospect.

 

[DominicT]

This age thing needs to stop, unless you are willing to provide facts.

I'm only going to provide western conference numbers since that's where he plays and will skew the numbers into your favor since the eastern conference is older, but this is where ZS9 would rank in age among the western conference teams

Sault Ste Marie 5th
London Knights 8th
Windsor Spitfires 6th (three more less than a month younger)
Owen Sound Attack 3rd
Erie Otters 5th (2 more less than a month younger)
Kitchener Rangers 7th
Guelph Storm 2nd
Flint Firebirds 7th
Saginaw Spirit 6th
Sarnia Sting 4th

I also did not include goalies, which skews the numbers in your favor. On any of the strong teams (with the exception of Owen Sound) he's not even in the top 25% in age.

 

[Mount Kramer Cameras]

The other factor to remember is that Senyshyn is going to be a 6'3 200lbs player, which you'd hope will help his chances of success at the next level. Conor Garland annihilated the junior competition but his game is not translating in the AHL (6 pts in 30 games) - junior points only mean so much. It's all a mystery until the player takes the step and has a go. I'm quietly hoping for Senyshyn to make an impression at camp, Pastrnak style.

 

[Over the volcano]

Is there any chance he get a cup of coffee in Providence or Boston at the end of this year?

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

It's Senyshyn's last year of Jr hockey, he should be dominating if he's to be a top six guy.

I usually put little stock in players who dominate their last year. Even though I think Meusoc is incorrect, he is right about Senyshyn being amongst the oldest in an age restricted league gives him an advantage. Remember how excited we were (well not me) when Camara had a great year in his final year of Jr? Huge years from guys who did previously in their last year of Jr usually means nothing, but Senyshyn was a goal scoring machine the previous year too.

Having said that, last year was more important as a prospect than this year. As I stated before, most players who become top six guys in the NHL usually score more goals and points the year after they're drafted in overwhelming numbers.

Seeing a steady upward progression for Senyshyn gives me hope in him as a prospect.

As was pointed out to the original poster earlier:
9% of players in the OHL are 16/17 years old
31% are 18
67% are 19/20

Not sure what he has to do to be considered successful. Starting to think Gretzky like numbers would not be enough for some. Luckily he is a Canadian which lends itself nicely to having a fallback plan to keep him on the ice once he comes to terms with being a bust. Curling is such a wonderful and immensely popular sport in this country. There is acutely a professional world tour now! Shame he seems destined to fall short with his first passion of a career in pro hockey. Sure he will rebound when faced with the bitter disappointment.

 

[Dr Hook]

As was pointed out to the original poster earlier:
9% of players in the OHL are 16/17 years old
31% are 18
67% are 19/20

Not sure what he has to do to be considered successful. Starting to think Gretzky like numbers would not be enough for some. Luckily he is a Canadian which lends itself nicely to having a fallback plan to keep him on the ice once he comes to terms with being a bust. Curling is such a wonderful and immensely popular sport in this country. There is acutely a professional world tour now! Shame he seems destined to fall short with his first passion of a career in pro hockey. Sure he will rebound when faced with the bitter disappointment.

Sorry to drag this OT for a moment, but it's a shame Hayes isn't Canadian, he has the speed and talent to be a curling superstar himself.

 

[BBB24]

It's Senyshyn's last year of Jr hockey, he should be dominating if he's to be a top six guy.

I usually put little stock in players who dominate their last year. Even though I think Meusoc is incorrect, he is right about Senyshyn being amongst the oldest in an age restricted league gives him an advantage. Remember how excited we were (well not me) when Camara had a great year in his final year of Jr? Huge years from guys who did previously in their last year of Jr usually means nothing, but Senyshyn was a goal scoring machine the previous year too.

Having said that, last year was more important as a prospect than this year. As I stated before, most players who become top six guys in the NHL usually score more goals and points the year after they're drafted in overwhelming numbers.

Seeing a steady upward progression for Senyshyn gives me hope in him as a prospect.

It's only his last year because the Bruins will put him in Providence if he doesn't make the big club, same as they did with DeBrusk, he can play another year as a 20 year old if the Bruins wished.

 

[finchster]

As was pointed out to the original poster earlier:
9% of players in the OHL are 16/17 years old
31% are 18
67% are 19/20

Not sure what he has to do to be considered successful. Starting to think Gretzky like numbers would not be enough for some. Luckily he is a Canadian which lends itself nicely to having a fallback plan to keep him on the ice once he comes to terms with being a bust. Curling is such a wonderful and immensely popular sport in this country. There is acutely a professional world tour now! Shame he seems destined to fall short with his first passion of a career in pro hockey. Sure he will rebound when faced with the bitter disappointment.

I stated I don't put much stock in a player scoring a lot in his last year of jr.

However, I also stated I put more faith in his year after being drafted and called him a good prospect I was hopeful about. Did you miss that part? Or next time should I put all positive things I write in bold so posters don't miss it?

The average age in the OHL this year is between 17.61 (barrie) and 18.32 (Windsor)
http://www.eliteprospects.com/league_home.php?leagueid=9&sort=age. I think that is a more accurate representation.

So yes, Senyshyn is much older than the average age of the league and he should be dominating.

It's only his last year because the Bruins will put him in Providence if he doesn't make the big club, same as they did with DeBrusk, he can play another year as a 20 year old if the Bruins wished.

It's his last year, because it's his last year? Thanks I didn't know.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Sorry to drag this OT for a moment, but it's a shame Hayes isn't Canadian, he has the speed and talent to be a curling superstar himself.

Would happily give him lessons for free!

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Have always though these song lyrics by Don Henley sums up so much of the prevailing thinking in today's society. Seems to also apply to many, if not all on some days, of the Bruins draft picks for some reason. Baffling at times. Might as well enjoy what you've got as it very unlikely to change any time soon. Time to move on.

"You drag it around like a ball and chain
You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain
You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown
Got your mind in the #%€¥^*, bringin' everybody down
Complain about the present and blame it on the past
I'd like to find your inner c$&@# and $&%^ its little @&@

Get over it.
Get over it.
All this Bi$#%in' and moanin' and
Pitchin' a fit.

Get over it."

From The Eagles - Get Over It Lyrics | MetroLyrics

 

[BNHL]

DeBrusk 42-11-12-23

Senyshyn 37-28-12-40

Zboril 28-6-16-22

Carlo 50-4-6-10

JFK 24-10-14-24

Lauzon 18-2-11-13

Gabrielle 39-22-18-40

Hughes 20-4-13-17

Becker 31-9-6-15

 

[Saxon Eric]

As a side note for Jack Becker ,he is going to attend Michigan Tech next year not Wisconsin as originally planned,personally I've never heard of Michigan Tech nevermind if they have a D1 hockey team...

 

[reffree]

As was pointed out to the original poster earlier:
9% of players in the OHL are 16/17 years old
31% are 18
67% are 19/20

Not sure what he has to do to be considered successful. Starting to think Gretzky like numbers would not be enough for some. Luckily he is a Canadian which lends itself nicely to having a fallback plan to keep him on the ice once he comes to terms with being a bust. Curling is such a wonderful and immensely popular sport in this country. There is acutely a professional world tour now! Shame he seems destined to fall short with his first passion of a career in pro hockey. Sure he will rebound when faced with the bitter disappointment.

Not that it's important at all, but from the number previously shown it is more:
9% are 16
31% are 17
33% are 18
33% are 19

 

[pemulis]

Not that it's important at all, but from the number previously shown it is more:
9% are 16
31% are 17
33% are 18
33% are 19

THat's 106%! That's a lot of skaters.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Not that it's important at all, but from the number previously shown it is more:
9% are 16
31% are 17
33% are 18
33% are 19

Not to mention the younger players are usually scratches, and the ones that are in the lineup don't play as much as the vets and more often than not are matched up against similar younger lines, 4th lines, developmental lines, call them what you like. There are also 21 year olds playing in the league, but we don't consider it a 21 year old league.

Just on raw stats the average age in the CHL is 18 and 1/4. The average age of a CHL lineup sheet (the 40 players that actually dress) is almost 19, and the average age distributed in actual ice time is 19.

There are 16 year olds in the league, just like there are 17 year old in the NCAA and 18 year olds in the AHL, but that doesn't represent the age on the ice in either league.

Bottom line: The CHL is a 19 year old league, driven and dominated largely by NHL drafted players in their post draft years and top NHL prospects.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Here's an interesting stat for you.

Of those 20 goals, 1, yes only one, has come on the powerplay.

I'm seeing more and more people put a greater value on 5 on 5 production, so there it is

I am one of those guys who puts a great deal of emphasis on non power play goals. ZS9 has been an elite stud in that department all the way through. I remember the NHLe's in his draft year - he was top 10 and has done nothing but improve on that ever since.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Happy with Senyshyn and Debrusk. Biggest question mark is Zboril imo.

However a rather pointless endeavor in my opinion. You can make hindsight nitpicks about a lot of draft picks.

Here's a refreshing take on it

Even if, in the worst-case scenario that none between Jakub Zboril, Jake DeBrusk and Zach Senyshyn becomes an impact NHLer, Brandon Carlo alone is worth Dougie Hamilton. Carlo has already proven a coachable yet fiery competitor with enough hockey sense and skill to become a top-three staple for the next decade-plus (and BU center Jakob Forsbacka-Karlsson has drawn Patrice Bergeron comparisons).
http://blogs.southcoasttoday.com/bruins/2017/01/31/bruins-at-lightning-penny-for-my-thoughts/

 

[pemulis]

Here's a refreshing take on it

Thanks for posting. That is exactly where i'm at with the Bruins.

 

[Fonzerelli]

Gabrielle ... 44-25-19-44
Senyshyn .. 42-30-13-43
Zboril ....... 32- 8-20-28
DeBrusk .... 46-11-14-25
JFK .......... 27-10-14-24
Hughes .... 24- 6-17-23
Lauzon ..... 22- 4-13-17
Becker ...... 35-10- 7-17
Carlo ........ 55- 4- 8-12

Not many surprises here, but Cameron Hughes is certainly peaking my interest. Anyone watching him play lately?

 

[EverettMike]

I love Mick, but that's a horrible take.

 

[Kosikarzzz]

Any comparisons between Emerson Etem and Zach Senyshen? Both fast pure goal scorers. (Talking Jr days)