OT: 2015 Draft picks updates - II

[SanDogBrewin]

Seeing Barzal in the World Juniors has me scratching my head as to how he got past us.

Really good playmaker but doesn't go to the net, a perimeter player. The Bruins already have plenty of those types. The Bruins need forwards that get into dirty areas and can shoot. Senyshyn, DeBrusk and Gabrielle fit that bill.

 

[ODAAT]

Really good playmaker but doesn't go to the net, a perimeter player. The Bruins already have plenty of those types. The Bruins need forwards that get into dirty areas and can shoot. Senyshyn, DeBrusk and Gabrielle fit that bill.

I like Pasta`s willingness to do that too

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Trent Frederic 18 years old playing against 21-23 year old and playing 200 foot power game

Swing and.....'there's a long drive hit deep to left field (pause)....I don't believe what I just saw' HOME RUN!!!! Don Sweeney has gone yard

Barring injury, like ths year, Frederic will be on team US at the WJC.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Trent Frederic 18 years old playing against 21-23 year old and playing 200 foot power game

Swing and.....'there's a long drive hit deep to left field (pause)....I don't believe what I just saw' HOME RUN!!!! Don Sweeney has gone yard

Oh that is just gold! Perfectly captured.

 

[DKH]

I wanted Barzal on draft night and he's a very good player but he's playing against 16-17 year olds and not sure how his approach/style works in NHL against big defensive players who will push him out and play the pass

He is going to be fascinating to watch

My original June rating of these 4

Barzal
Connor
Konecny
White

My January 6, 2017 more info assessment

Konecny
White
Connor
Barzal

 

[DKH]

I like Pasta`s willingness to do that too

I was at game last night sitting up close and personal and Pastrnak looks like he just endured a cross country 3000 ride in a stage coach wagon - he is banged up

 

[ODAAT]

I was at game last night sitting up close and personal and Pastrnak looks like he just endured a cross country 3000 ride in a stage coach wagon - he is banged up

that`s my only concern with him, some definite issues staying healthy

 

[BruinsBtn]

I wanted Barzal on draft night and he's a very good player but he's playing against 16-17 year olds and not sure how his approach/style works in NHL against big defensive players who will push him out and play the pass

He is going to be fascinating to watch

My original June rating of these 4

Barzal
Connor
Konecny
White

My January 6, 2017 more info assessment

Konecny
White
Connor
Barzal

I liked him too but you could see the potential problems now. He turns the puck over and he overpasses, bigtime.

White looks like a great player

 

[DKH]

I liked him too but you could see the potential problems now. He turns the puck over and he overpasses, bigtime.

White looks like a great player

White does. I'd actually probably take him over Konecny but I'm confident White's going to be at worst a solid third liner capable of 20/50

I'd tell my NHL team to keep Barzal wide, ALWAYS get your stick in passing lanes with him and if you corner him put the body on him but watch out for his numbers

I've seen JFK live more than Barzal and will quite a bit these next 2 months but i would rather have him 100 %

 

[BNHL]

Trent Frederic 18 years old playing against 21-23 year old and playing 200 foot power game

Swing and.....'there's a long drive hit deep to left field (pause)....I don't believe what I just saw' HOME RUN!!!! Don Sweeney has gone yard

I think the average NCAA player age is 21 and something,but point made.

 

[BB88]

Really good playmaker but doesn't go to the net, a perimeter player. The Bruins already have plenty of those types. The Bruins need forwards that get into dirty areas and can shoot. Senyshyn, DeBrusk and Gabrielle fit that bill.

Wouldn't that be a great fit with Pasta?

Who are the high end playmakers in the u25 group?

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I think the average NCAA player age is 21 and something,but point made.

According to this site:

http://www.collegesportsscholarships.com/ice-hockey.htm

The average age now of freshman in NCAA hockey is 20. That means the 18 year old Frederic (19 in FEB) is playing (on the average) against 20-23 year olds.

 

[DKH]

Wouldn't that be a great fit with Pasta?

Who are the high end playmakers in the u25 group?

I would put Barzal at better than 50/50 eventually being a 60 point guy but even getting Krejci like production I don't see

He's going to have to play closer to net and shoot more to keep goalies honest and open up passing lanes but I'm sure that will be poinded into him if need be

 

[BB88]

I would put Barzal at better than 50/50 eventually being a 60 point guy but even getting Krejci like production I don't see

He's going to have to play closer to net and shoot more to keep goalies honest and open up passing lanes but I'm sure that will be poinded into him if need be

Many keep saying that Boston needs goal scorers and have plenty of high end playmakers, but I think they need both and Barzal- Pasta could be pretty entertaining to watch.

Yes please to 60 point C.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Wouldn't that be a great fit with Pasta?

Who are the high end playmakers in the u25 group?

Backes, Bergeron and Krejci are under contract until 2021 and 2022. I think 24 year old Spooner should be moved back to center, coming off a 50 point season, were he can create more. Czarnik also looks like he could develop down the road. Plenty of centers.

Was your plan to move one of Backes, Krejci, Bergeron or Spooner out to fit Barzal in ?

 

[BB88]

Backes, Bergeron and Krejci are under contract until 2021 and 2022. I think 24 year old Spooner should be moved back to center, coming off a 50 point season, were he can create more. Czarnik also looks like he could develop down the road. Plenty of centers.

Was your plan to move one of Backes, Krejci, Bergeron or Spooner out to fit Barzal in ?

Those guys are 30, 31, 32. So why can't they add a high end playmaking prospect, I would say the prospect pool doesn't have that and do you really see Spooner as a longterm Bruins, is he even going to get re-signed?

I wouldn't have signed Backes and next year Bergeron- Krejci- Barzal, in few years Bergeron- Barzal- Krejci.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

Those guys are 30, 31, 32. So why can't they add a high end playmaking prospect, I would say the prospect pool doesn't have that and do you really see Spooner as a longterm Bruins, is he even going to get re-signed?

I wouldn't have signed Backes for starters and next year Bergeron- Krejci- Barzal, in few years Bergeron- Barzal- Krejci.

I don't see Spooner as a long term Bruin, and I suspect he is dealt this year, whether a tthe deadline or at the draft.

But at the same time that is the problem I see with Barzal is he reminds me of Spooner. Maybe he'll be a bit better, but I think they are similar types

 

[BB88]

I don't see Spooner as a long term Bruin, and I suspect he is dealt this year, whether a tthe deadline or at the draft.

But at the same time that is the problem I see with Barzal is he reminds me of Spooner. Maybe he'll be a bit better, but I think they are similar types

He'd atleast give you a high end playmaking prospect option (who's putting up numbers) to the prospect pool and is just 19y.

I just don't agree that this team has plenty of high end playmakers on the team/system.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Those guys are 30, 31, 32. So why can't they add a high end playmaking prospect, I would say the prospect pool doesn't have that and do you really see Spooner as a longterm Bruins, is he even going to get re-signed?

I wouldn't have signed Backes and next year Bergeron- Krejci- Barzal, in few years Bergeron- Barzal- Krejci.

So you are saying you think Barzal could have moved one of those vets out ?

I don't see Spooner as a center with Julien in Boston but possibly still here with another coach. I see huge potential in Frederic and JFK at center. I don't see any prospect moving the Bruins top centers out over the next 3 or 4 years.

Over the next two years where would Barzal play in a Julien system ? Does he quickly move past Czarnik and Spooner ? This is how I think Sweeney viewed the 3rd line center presently. And you have the Backes signing.

 

[BB88]

So you are saying you think Barzal could have moved one of those vets out ?

I don't see Spooner as a center with Julien in Boston but possibly still here with another coach. I see huge potential in Frederic and JFK at center. I don't see any prospect moving the Bruins top centers out over the next 3 or 4 years.

Over the next two years where would Barzal play in a Julien system ? Does he quickly move past Czarnik and Spooner ? This is how I think Sweeney viewed the 3rd line center presently. And you have the Backes signing.

Backes wasn't on the team when Barzal was drafted and again I wouldnt have signed him.
If I had to bet on someone becoming the Bergeron replacement I would say out of the players you have mentioned Barzal has the best chance and wouldn't take that long before he'd have one of the top9 C spots.

Neither Czarnik nor Spooner look like future top6 C's and I don't see enoug high end offensive skill from JFK to have #1C hopes on him.

 

[DKH]

Backes wasn't on the team when Barzal was drafted and again I wouldnt have signed him.
If I had to bet on someone becoming the Bergeron replacement I would say out of the players you have mentioned Barzal has the best chance and wouldn't take that long before he'd have one of the top9 C spots.

Neither Czarnik nor Spooner look like future top6 C's and I don't see enoug high end offensive skill from JFK to have #1C hopes on him.

well I got great news for you I've seen JFK play live and this is a second line guy who could put up 37 & 46 performance so that's a top 6

More good news - Bergeron looks great

He looks like the guy we know - and Krejci playing well

No need to worry- worrying means you just suffer twice anyways

If you want to worry - worry about Bjork. The real deal

 

[DKH]

Many keep saying that Boston needs goal scorers and have plenty of high end playmakers, but I think they need both and Barzal- Pasta could be pretty entertaining to watch.

Yes please to 60 point C.

Barzal was my guy draft day but perimeter guys who don't shoot worry me

 

[SanDogBrewin]

Backes wasn't on the team when Barzal was drafted and again I wouldnt have signed him.
If I had to bet on someone becoming the Bergeron replacement I would say out of the players you have mentioned Barzal has the best chance and wouldn't take that long before he'd have one of the top9 C spots.

Neither Czarnik nor Spooner look like future top6 C's and I don't see enoug high end offensive skill from JFK to have #1C hopes on him.

Barzal has not shown me so far that he would be a #1 nor a #2 in the future. Especially defensively to supplant either Bergeron nor Krejci in Boston. If you can see that defensively then you have incredible vision.

I do not think Czarnik, Spooner, Frederic or JFK could be a #1 or #2 center. Only speaking of a #3 center spot over the next few years. Spooner has already shown that he can play that position as a #3 center.

Right now I project Barzal as a #3 center, no more. He's never coming to Boston anyways. Bruins are locked down at center for another 4 years. Don't need Barzal.

 

[trenton1]

I'll give you the age and add this

There are about 500 skaters (not goalies) that play somewhat regularly in the OHL.

44 are 16 turning 17

122 are 17 turning 18

334 are 18 turning 19 or 19 turning 20. (who play more regularly than the younger guys)

You make it sound like he's an old man playing against kids

Swing and a miss criticism dealt with swiftly. Nice work.

 

[reffree]

I'll give you the age and add this

There are about 500 skaters (not goalies) that play somewhat regularly in the OHL.

44 are 16 turning 17

122 are 17 turning 18

334 are 18 turning 19 or 19 turning 20. (who play more regularly than the younger guys)

You make it sound like he's an old man playing against kids

Are those 334 18 and 19yo players separate 50/50?
I suppose there's about 60ish 20yo playing too.

So that would mean:
167 players are the same age as him
60 are older than him
333 are younger than him.

Anyway he doesn't benefite more than any other 19yo and he's prodincing fine since he turn the corner. I hope he can step up in the playoff this year and lead his team far. The Memorial Cup would be so much better with him in it.