Speculation: 2015 Coaching Search: Who's the next head coach? Not Babcock - Pt. 2 - MOD post #917

[sjci]

Re: The Harrington potential owning

@georgemalik
I guess my take, having dealt with Babcock, is this: Is this any more of a circus than every-day Babcock interaction is a circus?

With Babs, you never know what question's going to earn you a death stare, a, "What's next?" or, "See you, guys." It's always confrontation.

I *like* Mike Babcock. I *respect* Mike Babcock. I *admire* Mike Babcock. But he can be a gigantic dick to the press.

That attitude of open resentment toward the media...I know he's protecting his interests, which is fine, but he's particularly harsh.

Sounds like the potential for a lot of fun.


Harrington: Mike, welcome to Buffalo, what's it like to join a team that openly tanked, then never had an end of season presser for me to get cranky at?

Babcock: "....who the **** is this clown..?"

 

[Husko]

Re: The Harrington potential owning



Sounds like the potential for a lot of fun.


Harrington: Mike, welcome to Buffalo, what's it like to join a team that openly tanked, then never had an end of season presser for me to get cranky at?

Babcock: "....who the **** is this clown..?"

I could see him just not answering any of Harrington's questions. Just staring at him like he can't comprehend what Harrington is saying. For seconds... minutes... until eventually the next question gets asked.

 

[TehDoak]

My guess is we'll probably hear late Tues/Early Wednesday, whenever Babcock informs Holland of his decision. Babs is talking directly to the media

I think one of the big draws for Buffalo is that Buffalo is essentially a blank canvas. No in place system, no organizational mandate to play a certain way. Heck he even gets to pick the coaches for the AHL and train them if he wants.

While he won't have GM duties, he is going to have a huge say in what system the team plays and how it works organizationally.

 

[Husko]

My guess is we'll probably hear late Tues/Early Wednesday, whenever Babcock informs Holland of his decision. Babs is talking directly to the media

I think one of the big draws for Buffalo is that Buffalo is essentially a blank canvas. No in place system, no organizational mandate to play a certain way. Heck he even gets to pick the coaches for the AHL and train them if he wants.

While he won't have GM duties, he is going to have a huge say in what system the team plays and how it works organizationally.

I don't know. It could take years for him to teach them that "com-pete" isn't actually a noun or a power play strategy

 

[Revelate]

Babcock is leaning towards re-signing with the Detroit Red Wings on a short-term basis, a source told the Star.

www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2015/...h-dakotas-dave-hakstol-as-new-head-coach.html

 

[sjci]

Babcock is leaning towards re-signing with the Detroit Red Wings on a short-term basis, a source told the Star.

www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2015/...h-dakotas-dave-hakstol-as-new-head-coach.html

To me, that's just stupid. You either stay in Detroit, long term, because you believe Holland saying the turn around of key players will be quick and that you have enough in the pipeline to keep going; or you move onto another team because you see a better future elsewhere. A short term deal with Detroit makes this whole drawn out decision process pointless.

Any Detroit deal should be 4 years or more. Maybe 3 at minimum, but still think 4.

Any deal with another team should probably be around 5 years.

 

[RoofIt5hole]

To me, that's just stupid. You either stay in Detroit, long term, because you believe Holland saying the turn around of key players will be quick and that you have enough in the pipeline to keep going; or you move onto another team because you see a better future elsewhere. A short term deal with Detroit makes this whole drawn ou decision pointless.

I mentioned this on the main board but a short term deal (1-2 years) would allow Babcock to see what Holland would do, what Buffalo would do, what Toronto would do, etc, etc. he would then be able to make a more informed decision about what team would be the best opportunity for him going forward while giving Holland a chance to see if he can turn DRW around quickly. If Holland gets them team turned around he'll stay. If not he can take his choice of teams.

What doesn't make sense is why Detroit would agree to this. If I'm Holland I want a long term commitment from Babcock, that way he won't be screwed if he lets Blash go coach some other team and then Babcock walks.

 

[TehDoak]

Babcock is leaning towards re-signing with the Detroit Red Wings on a short-term basis, a source told the Star.

www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2015/...h-dakotas-dave-hakstol-as-new-head-coach.html

At this point, it's either speculation or something one side is leaking intentionally.

 

[Bps21*]

A short term deal means he either doesn't trust Holland to do something or wants to see someone else do the dirty work in buffalo and Toronto. Or maybe it means both. Or just that he is afraid to make a real decision. None are particularly good looks

 

[RoofIt5hole]

To me, that's just stupid. You either stay in Detroit, long term, because you believe Holland saying the turn around of key players will be quick and that you have enough in the pipeline to keep going; or you move onto another team because you see a better future elsewhere. A short term deal with Detroit makes this whole drawn out decision process pointless.

Any Detroit deal should be 4 years or more. Maybe 3 at minimum, but still think 4.

Any deal with another team should probably be around 5 years.

I mentioned this on the main board the other day. If I'm Babcock and I'm not completely sold on the other options out there (Buffalo, Toronto,) I would resign with Detroit for a 1-2 year term. That way I can see what buff and Toronto do to get things going on their respective rebuilds. He can also give Holland time to get the Detroit rebuild going to. That way if he's not satisfied with the direction Holland has taken the team he can move onto a new team (buff or tor) with better knowledge of the progression of their rebuild.


Obviously that's not ideal for Detroit but it's the play I think Babcock will make if the cash is even remotely close.

 

[BCS]

Oh well. Steal Blashill.

 

[Revelate]

At this point, it's either speculation or something one side is leaking intentionally.

or denial.

 

[Havok89]

Oh well. Steal Blashill.

If Babcock re-signs for 1-2 years, I'm not sure Holland would want to lose Blashill with no guarentee of Babcock long term.

 

[Beerz]

If Babcock re-signs for 1-2 years, I'm not sure Holland would want to lose Blashill with no guarentee of Babcock long term.

then in 2 years he loses them both

 

[BCS]

If Babcock re-signs for 1-2 years, I'm not sure Holland would want to lose Blashill with no guarentee of Babcock long term.

Is Holland allowed to stop Blashill from seeking a promotion elsewhere? Blashill's supposed to stagnate in Grand Rapids and hope Babcock leaves in two years?

 

[Moskau]

Not even sure why Detroit would agree to that. Sure Mike you can stick around while we lose Blashill in a year and then you in two years so that you can peace out to Buffalo when they're a better team.

 

[Husko]

If Babs won't extend long term it wouldn't surprise me if Holland says thanks for the memories and moves on to Blashill. Babcock is amazing and all, but I doubt Holland wants to play this game again in 2 years.

 

[BCS]

Not even sure why Detroit would agree to that. Sure Mike you can stick around while we lose Blashill in a year and then you in two years so that you can peace out to Buffalo when they're a better team.

Agreed. Makes sense for Babcock, not the team.

 

[Havok89]

Is Holland allowed to stop Blashill from seeking a promotion elsewhere? Blashill's supposed to stagnate in Grand Rapids and hope Babcock leaves in two years?

I think it's up to Holland in that case, considering Blashill is under contract still.

 

[Zman5778]

Babcock is leaning towards re-signing with the Detroit Red Wings on a short-term basis, a source told the Star.

www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2015/...h-dakotas-dave-hakstol-as-new-head-coach.html

If it's true, this might actually wind up being better for the Sabres in the long term.

We can hire a coach that has a very good skill in developing youth. Then, if after 2-3 years he doesn't work out, we can go take another crack at Babcock with a more developed team that's hopefully primed to make a run.

 

[BCS]

I think it's up to Holland in that case, considering Blashill is under contract still.

You might be right - I know GMs can stop their front office underlings from taking better jobs with other teams (Sather just did it, in fact), but I can't remember hearing about it happening to an AHL coach. That could be confirmation bias on my part. Regardless, Babcock staying in DET and Holland blocking BUF's path to Blashill would be a double whammy of disappointment.

 

[FearTheBeard]

that article seems a lot like speculation, they basically re-wrote Friedman's article from earlier on Sportsnet, and just included what a "source" told him/them

 

[Sabre the Win]

If it's true, this might actually wind up being better for the Sabres in the long term.

We can hire a coach that has a very good skill in developing youth. Then, if after 2-3 years he doesn't work out, we can go take another crack at Babcock with a more developed team that's hopefully primed to make a run.

thats just horrible, we need a steady coach going forward now. Flip flopping and changing up styles every 3 years will do nothing for the young guys. We need the players now to buy into one system and then teach the young kids still coming up how to play the system.

 

[Bps21*]

If Babcock were to take a short term deal in Detroit I wouldn't want him in 2 years. This is his opportunity in Buffalo.

 

[Sabretip]

If Babcock goes through all this just for a short-term extension, he just lends credibility to the circus he's helped foster. A Detroit writer put it into perspective how this entire weird "I love you, I love you not" process between Babcock and the Wings seems to be motivated:

Mike Babcock sought a hotter-looking girlfriend.

He already had a pretty attractive young lady on his arm the past 10 years. They were the perfect couple. But he wanted to see whether he could do better. Why? Because he could. He has a Stanley Cup and two Olympic gold medals as Canada's coach. And now the open flirtations of the past couple of weeks will result in an important decision in the next couple of days that could create a very awkward situation for Babcock and the Detroit Red Wings.

Both parties paved the path for an amicable separation. But by all reported accounts, it doesn't appear Babcock attracted the interest from as many supermodels as he might have thought. That might improve the odds of Babcock inking a new contract with the Wings this week, but how can it not publicly look as though he is settling for the lesser of several competitive ills?

That's not exactly a confession of true love and devotion.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c...t-red-wings-mike-babcock-drew-sharp/27508683/

It's hard to envision a well-respected veteran GM like Holland really understanding or feeling appreciated in this process by his coach; with a great replacement waiting in the wings like Blashill, I somehow have the feeling that Holland will force the upper hand and not cave into whatever Babcock asks for. As others have posted, I doubt he wants the uncertainty of Babcock leaving (or going through another courtship of other teams before extending again) in a few years because odds are good that Blashill will be gone by then.