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2015-2016 Roster Talk: Kings Have no Elite Players Edition

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Reclamation Project said:
Meh, some people are comfortable throwing away prime Carter, Kopitar, Doughty, Muzzin, and Quick years.

This roster blew it, not Dean. It was a massive slap in the face after he gave them a vote of confidence by acquiring the best player available, and in doing so, it radically changed the way Dean approaches acquiring players. Dean learned from that, and in combination with the Richards ordeal, I'm excited to see what he does in the future. I'd be shocked if #23 is on this roster next season.
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Only way Brown is on the team is if the Kings lose in the first round. They win the cup, forget it. I'd be shocked if he wasn't on the team next season. He's still a useful player in the right role. Richards was just absolutely useless.
 
Mattias said:
To be a fly on the wall listening to the framework of the Richards trades. I hope one day we know how close the trades were and for what.

I could see a buyout happening of brown more likely. Unless dean goes 50% and brown is serviceable at a 2.9 a year I suppose? Maybe the oilers could use his leadership? God knows that team doesn't try at all worth a damn these decades.
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I doubt the Kings buyout Brown too. Then they'll be paying Brown and Richards $4-5 million for the life of the buyout periods to not be on the team. That's way too much for a cup contending team to pay in dead cap hits. It's amazing that the Ducks make it work with an internal cap.
 
WHOneedsSOX said:
I doubt the Kings buyout Brown too. Then they'll be paying Brown and Richards $4-5 million for the life of the buyout periods to not be on the team. That's way too much for a cup contending team to pay in dead cap hits. It's amazing that the Ducks make it work with an internal cap.
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Kings returned the entire '12 team basically. It is all timing.

Ducks are in that same spot. 15/10 are locked up and nearly everyone else is on a great contract (nearly).

That is going to change with the RFA issue they have coming up, but it definitely helps to have 15/10 signed long-term back in '13 under a lower cap. Getting great ELC contribution from Rakell with Ritchie about to provide the same. Moved Ryan for a great return and they didn't skip a beat on the ice.

Kings won. Guys got paid. Going to need our ELC players to make big contributions moving forward.
 
Ducks are going to be in a tough spot. They don't spend to the ceiling and will need to re-sign Vatanen, Lindholm, and Rakell.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Ducks are going to be in a tough spot. They don't spend to the ceiling and will need to re-sign Vatanen, Lindholm, and Rakell.
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they are however each of those are RFA's and as such they likely will not lose them for nothing if they do not re-sign them.

They have tons of depth in the AHL on D so their defense should be strong for years. I hope Perron asks for the moon.
 
If the Ducks are going to win it all, now's the time. I don't know how they're going to keep that group together with an internal cap. Credit to Murray and their scouting crew, they have a lot of really good young guys coming through the pipeline. That Kesler contract is going to kill them when he slows down though.
 
Omni Owl said:
If the Ducks are going to win it all, now's the time. I don't know how they're going to keep that group together with an internal cap. Credit to Murray and their scouting crew, they have a lot of really good young guys coming through the pipeline. That Kesler contract is going to kill them when he slows down though.
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I cannot wait....to bad it was not longer than a 4 year extension
 
There is a lot of talk about this player and that player but looks realistically at the roster for NEXT year. All the players below are UNDER contract.

????-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan

Doughty-Scuderi
Muzzin-Martinez
Greene-McNabb

Lucic, Versteeg and Lewis are the only three UFA forwards, a 1st line LW and two versatile players who can play LW/C/RW, but for most of the year Lewis has been penciled in at RW. Vinnie is going to retire. There is room at forward, especially since Shore and Andreoff have been healthy scratches. One reason why some of these guys got a spot is because King was hurt early on and now Nolan is hurt. So when everyone is healthy and if the Kings are stuck with Brown, there is really only room with 3 more forwards...2 if the Kings re-sign Lucic.

In terms of D, those are the pairings with term left. So if Forbort makes it I assume he will be the #7 and rotate in with Scuderi??? Schenn doesn't even fit in that top 6 unless the Kings move someone.
 
Johnny Utah said:
There is a lot of talk about this player and that player but looks realistically at the roster for NEXT year. All the players below are UNDER contract.

????-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan

Doughty-Scuderi
Muzzin-Martinez
Greene-McNabb

Lucic, Versteeg and Lewis are the only three UFA forwards, a 1st line LW and two versatile players who can play LW/C/RW, but for most of the year Lewis has been penciled in at RW. Vinnie is going to retire. There is room at forward, especially since Shore and Andreoff have been healthy scratches. One reason why some of these guys got a spot is because King was hurt early on and now Nolan is hurt. So when everyone is healthy and if the Kings are stuck with Brown, there is really only room with 3 more forwards...2 if the Kings re-sign Lucic.

In terms of D, those are the pairings with term left. So if Forbort makes it I assume he will be the #7 and rotate in with Scuderi??? Schenn doesn't even fit in that top 6 unless the Kings move someone.
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Sounds like Mersch, Kempe, Gravel and Forbort are all knocking at the NHL door.
 
Johnny Utah said:
There is a lot of talk about this player and that player but looks realistically at the roster for NEXT year. All the players below are UNDER contract.

????-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan

Doughty-Scuderi
Muzzin-Martinez
Greene-McNabb

Lucic, Versteeg and Lewis are the only three UFA forwards, a 1st line LW and two versatile players who can play LW/C/RW, but for most of the year Lewis has been penciled in at RW. Vinnie is going to retire. There is room at forward, especially since Shore and Andreoff have been healthy scratches. One reason why some of these guys got a spot is because King was hurt early on and now Nolan is hurt. So when everyone is healthy and if the Kings are stuck with Brown, there is really only room with 3 more forwards...2 if the Kings re-sign Lucic.

In terms of D, those are the pairings with term left. So if Forbort makes it I assume he will be the #7 and rotate in with Scuderi??? Schenn doesn't even fit in that top 6 unless the Kings move someone.
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McNabb is not signed.
Concerning that, what do people expect him to sign for?

The Kings need 3 forwards, 2 defenseman and 1 goalie.
 
regulate said:
Kempe is still very raw but has some excellent tools. Dowd should be included in the knocking on the door group.
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Didn't the Reign's coach just say Kempe would be playing on a lot of different NHL rosters today, but is not on LA due to roster space/depth?

I know that maybe a biased opinion but I hope we see Kempe get a shot next year.
 
McNabb is a RFA and rarely do teams walk away from a RFA.

Also, Kings can only carry 3 extra players, so that would be either be 2 forwards and 1 D or 2 D and 1 forward.

With the line-ups above and recent Sutter/Lombardi moves it looks like Kings will only carry 1 extra D, which seems like it will be Forbort barring a trade.
 
YP44 said:
Didn't the Reign's coach just say Kempe would be playing on a lot of different NHL rosters today, but is not on LA due to roster space/depth?

I know that maybe a biased opinion but I hope we see Kempe get a shot next year.
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I hope they put Kempe in for the playoffs, could be this years Toff or Pearson
 
I can see Lucic and Schenn resigned because Dean seems high on Lucic and maybe they view Schenn as a Greene replacement . This might be the first year where we see more of a roster shakeup ala Chicago style as to other years where we didnt have to much cap trouble. With Lucic gone we will have an even bigger hole. Lucic brings lesdership and sets an example with his play. More goals have been going in this yesr simply because he parks his rear end infront of the net.

Brown, King, Lewis, might all move including Greene. With Mersch, Gravel, Dowd and Forbort knocking on the door. If Brown is moved which i think is a high posibility because he is causing to much trouble for us to keep more integral parts on the team that are needed to compete. Dean will not marry himself to players anymore after the Richards debacle.

Lucic-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch- ? - Shore
Clifford-Dowd-Nolan

Gravel-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Forbort-Schenn
Scuderi-Mcnabb

I also think Martinez might get moved and we bring in an actuall top 4 dman because Martinez gets paid to much for a #5. He didnt work out as a #4 as you can see his numbers have been going down. Before last game he played 17, 13, 17. Dean likes to sign players to longer term contracts to have better trading chips. He signed Muzzin and Martinez to equal contracts and seem to like Muzzin more so its time to move on from Martinez and let Gravel and other youngsters play like Chicago does. The game is evolving and changing to more speed and skill. Let the youngsters play.

Quick
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YP44 said:
Didn't the Reign's coach just say Kempe would be playing on a lot of different NHL rosters today, but is not on LA due to roster space/depth?

I know that maybe a biased opinion but I hope we see Kempe get a shot next year.
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http://mayorsmanor.com/2016/01/kempe-is-good-enough-to-play-in-the-nhl-right-now-la-kings-top-scout/

You should read this interview about Kempe!

Edit: On if Kempe will remain in the AHL for a year or two, as was originally planned:

“This is where it gets tricky. You can draw some parallels between Slava [Voynov] and Kempe. Kempe is good enough to play in the NHL right now. I don’t think I’m saying anything that anyone in our organization doesn’t know or that Kempe doesn’t know. Voynov was good enough to play in the NHL as an 18-year-old, that doesn’t mean you play in the NHL. You look at Voynov’s career path, playing two-plus years in the AHL, and I don’t think anyone in the world is complaining. But there’s no question that he was good enough to play, that doesn’t mean it’s the right thing. I personally think we have four or five guys in Ontario who are good enough to play right now. But good enough doesn’t mean you deserve to be on the team. It doesn’t mean you’re the next call up. If Kempe is good enough and Mersch is good enough, only one of them is getting called up, and Mersch is more ready.
 
Kingsfan1 said:
I can see Lucic and Schenn resigned because Dean seems high on Lucic and maybe they view Schenn as a Greene replacement . This might be the first year where we see more of a roster shakeup ala Chicago style as to other years where we didnt have to much cap trouble. With Lucic gone we will have an even bigger hole. Lucic brings lesdership and sets an example with his play. More goals have been going in this yesr simply because he parks his rear end infront of the net.

Brown, King, Lewis, might all move including Greene. With Mersch, Gravel, Dowd and Forbort knocking on the door. If Brown is moved which i think is a high posibility because he is causing to much trouble for us to keep more integral parts on the team that are needed to compete. Dean will not marry himself to players anymore after the Richards debacle.

Lucic-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch- ? - Shore
Clifford-Dowd-Nolan

Gravel-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Forbort-Schenn
Scuderi-Mcnabb

I also think Martinez might get moved and we bring in an actuall top 4 dman because Martinez gets paid to much for a #5. He didnt work out as a #4 as you can see his numbers have been going down. Before last game he played 17, 13, 17. Dean likes to sign players to longer term contracts to have better trading chips. He signed Muzzin and Martinez to equal contracts and seem to like Muzzin more so its time to move on from Martinez and let Gravel and other youngsters play like Chicago does. The game is evolving and changing to more speed and skill. Let the youngsters play.

Quick
Enroth
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Yeah but this is Dustin Brown. Two time cup winning captain with LA (possibly 3?) and family man. He does whatever Sutter asks with no complaints. I think it's highly unlikely he goes anywhere. Plus he has that modified NTC. He'll just name teams Dean won't trade him to or have no cap space.
 
Then he'll be waived. Sorry, Dustin.

The only way, tragically, that Brown stays on this team is another Cup this year.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
Then he'll be waived. Sorry, Dustin.

The only way, tragically, that Brown stays on this team is another Cup this year.
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Dustin Brown isn't Mike Richards. I'd rather have him at a full cap hit on the roster than save 950K and let someone like Andreoff/Nolan play over him, if he stays on the team.

Otherwise, plant some cocaine in his bag and have him suspended for the duration of his contract.
 
A handful of free agents. Brown. Three old guys in Lecavalier, Scuderi, and Greene where you could make a case all might retire or come back. Just a couple draft picks this year. A GM that tries to keep as much of a winning team together as possible, but has let guys go from teams that didn't win, and now he's talking about a 5 year window.

That's a lot of moving parts.
 
I gotta think the Scuderi will retire at the end of the season. He left partially because of geography the first time. If he returns there's no way the Kings sign Lucic.
 
Scuds and Vinny should be gone after this year, McBain as well. Ideally Brown too, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm all for it, there's a ton of dead weight on the team this year, let the next crop of youth claim some spots.
 
lumbergh said:
I gotta think the Scuderi will retire at the end of the season. He left partially because of geography the first time. If he returns there's no way the Kings sign Lucic.
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I don't think Scuds will retire. He's not a guy who has raked in money all his career. BUT, even if he doesn't, he can be buried in the minors for cheap--the real question is if he comes back will Sutter actually bury him and I don't think so.

Guys I think are gone after this year:

Vinny
McBain
Versteeg
Lewis
Schenn, contingent on Greene
Enroth

JSchultz
Roach
Bartosak

Guys I think will be on our roster:

Forbort
Gravel
Mersch
Shore
Dowd

Don't know how the salary will work, but I imagine something like this going into the year

Lucic-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Mersch-Shore-Brown
King-Dowd-Nolan
Andreoff, Clifford. If looch is gone, move mersch up, and pencil in Kempe/cheap UFA tryout, though it'll likely just be move everyone up.

Doughty-Scuderi
Muzzin-Martinez
Greene/Schenn-McNabb
Forbort, Gravel (Scuderi's heir apparent?)

Quick
Budaj

This is all barring training camp surprises, like if for example Cernak comes in and just wrecks shop.

I also still think DL is going hard after a 2nd-pairing RHD.
 
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