2015-2016 Roster Talk: East Coast Thinks We Suck Edition(MOD WARNING) post# 107

[YP44]

Toffolli being on a bridge allows LA to bring in Lucic. If we win the cup before TT bridge deal expires hard to argue it not being worthwhile.

 

[Ron*]

This is where the failure to use the compliance buyout on Richards, along with the uncertainty of the Voynov situation, and the upcoming Kopitar contract really hurt.

Dean could have probably bought some of Toffoli's UFA years at a discount had he acted last summer on that idea. Something like maybe 7 years, and $35M total might have gotten it done. Now the key to getting Toffoli re-signed may be in dealing Brown's contract, let alone Lucic.

Given the current economic and cap conditions I don't see how the Kings fit everyone that makes the big bucks under the cap.

Yeah, we aren't resigning Toffoli at 7/5. Pipe-dreaming on the cheap again. I see a pattern here.

 

[tsanuri]

Yeah, we aren't resigning Toffoli at 7/5. Pipe-dreaming on the cheap again. I see a pattern here.

In all fairness he's not suggesting that is what we'll get him for. But if things had happened what we maybe could have done when the bridge deal was signed.

 

[KINGS17]

Toffolli being on a bridge allows LA to bring in Lucic. If we win the cup before TT bridge deal expires hard to argue it not being worthwhile.

Agree, I think the biggest thing here was the Richards compliance buyout that should have taken place in the summer of 2014. Dean made a poor decision on Richards that would have provided him with much more flexibility. Maybe enough flexibility to sign Toffoli to a long term deal in the summer of 2015.

 

[KINGS17]

I think a bridge deal was perfect for Toffoli though, both agent and club wanted to see what player he was, there's a big difference between a 25g scorer and a 40g scorer at the NHL level and he hadn't quite put it together vs. tougher checkers quite like he has thus far. I'm just ignoring your point for the illustration that I don't think Toffoli's situation was dictated only by the current contracts.

Not only by the current contracts, but they were a big consideration. Dean said as much in an interview, and that he was happy that Toffoli was willing to take a bridge deal so everyone could fit under the cap this season.

 

[YP44]

Agree, I think the biggest thing here was the Richards compliance buyout that should have taken place in the summer of 2014. Dean made a poor decision on Richards that would have provided him with much more flexibility. Maybe enough flexibility to sign Toffoli to a long term deal in the summer of 2015.

DL, you, I and everyone in the world recognizes the mistake of not buying out Richards. If you go back to that summer I drank the koolaid of him promising to get in shape and hiring a training for the first time in his life.
Lots of people were saying it was a mistake as it was happening so it's not like looking back now is some big blockbuster of an idea. Richards will have a cap hit for a long long time. I hope we do not have to hear about how DL should have used a compliance on him the whole time.

 

[YP44]

Not only by the current contracts, but they were a big consideration. Dean said as much in an interview, and that he was happy that Toffoli was willing to take a bridge deal so everyone could fit under the cap this season.

i think he said that before last season. LA would have been in deep trouble last year had he not signed the bridge deal.

 

[YP44]

Honest questions. After Sutter said that LA needs more complimentary scoring today, Brown playing 4th line last game, and other comments made to media I think it is safe to say Brown is in Sutter's doghouse (as he should be).
My questions is does anyone here think that Brown will be a healthy scratch at some point this year?
I honestly could see it.

 

[Reaper45]

Honest questions. After Sutter said that LA needs more complimentary scoring today, Brown playing 4th line last game, and other comments made to media I think it is safe to say Brown is in Sutter's doghouse (as he should be).
My questions is does anyone here think that Brown will be a healthy scratch at some point this year?
I honestly could see it.

Honestly I don't see it. He's not playing bad. He's just not scoring, but he's effective in almost every other facet. On the other hand you have Gaborik who if he's not scoring isn't doing anything. Tough call.

 

[tsanuri]

Honestly I don't see it. He's not playing bad. He's just not scoring, but he's effective in almost every other facet. On the other hand you have Gaborik who if he's not scoring isn't doing anything. Tough call.

Gaborik is still doing things on the defensive side of the puck.
But we really can't have both him and Brown not scoring. It hurts us just too much.

 

[gnarls barkley]

The parallels between them are just scary and if they continue he'll get the same contract.
2 years before the contract Tarasenko scored 21 goals the year before it he scored 37.
Toffoli scored 23 last year he's on pace to score more than that 37. If you just look at it from what he'll do this year then the following he'll be ahead.
Add to the fact that Toffoli is a year younger a $7.5M deal isn't out of the realm. Of course would like to see it lower but that is what it is really.

maybe i'm a pessimist but i still can't quite wrap my head around this Kings team having a young, legit 40 goal scorer

Toffoli has improved frighteningly fast in his short NHL career thus far, can't believe that just a few years ago his projection was along the lines of "top 6 potential"

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Honestly I don't see it. He's not playing bad. He's just not scoring, but he's effective in almost every other facet. On the other hand you have Gaborik who if he's not scoring isn't doing anything. Tough call.

Brown is a glorified version of John Zeiler this season. He barely does anything well. Gaborik has been just as useless as Brown.

 

[YP44]

maybe i'm a pessimist but i still can't quite wrap my head around this Kings team having a young, legit 40 goal scorer

Toffoli has improved frighteningly fast in his short NHL career thus far, can't believe that just a few years ago his projection was along the lines of "top 6 potential"

I agree...haven't really seen the offensive talent he has since Ziggy

 

[KINGS17]

Yeah, we aren't resigning Toffoli at 7/5. Pipe-dreaming on the cheap again. I see a pattern here.

You might want to actually read what is posted before commenting. I said that was a possibility last summer, before Toffoli's great performance this season.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Its a testament to our top guys that we're winning these games with guys like Brown and Gaborik having brutal years.

 

[YP44]

Its a testament to our top guys that we're winning these games with guys like Brown and Gaborik having brutal years.

and our defensive system.

 

[Ollie Weeks]

And as bad as Carter's been since he "healed up," he's still scraped together 4 points in 5 games.

 

[KINGS17]

DL, you, I and everyone in the world recognizes the mistake of not buying out Richards. If you go back to that summer I drank the koolaid of him promising to get in shape and hiring a training for the first time in his life.
Lots of people were saying it was a mistake as it was happening so it's not like looking back now is some big blockbuster of an idea. Richards will have a cap hit for a long long time. I hope we do not have to hear about how DL should have used a compliance on him the whole time.

Sure, as long as it's okay if we continue to bring up the Brown and Gaborik deals though, right?

A compliance buyout of Richards would have saved $5.75M in cap space. Of course it's going to come up from time to time. It wasn't that long ago.

 

[gnarls barkley]

And as bad as Carter's been since he "healed up," he's still scraped together 4 points in 5 games.

dunno if anyone else is, but i'm actually worried about this

can't help but feel like he's going to re-aggravate that injury at the worst possible time and completely **** up a cup run

*crosses fingers*

 

[YP44]

Sure, as long as it's okay if we continue to bring up the Brown and Gaborik deals though, right?

A compliance buyout of Richards would have saved $5.75M in cap space. Of course it's going to come up from time to time. It wasn't that long ago.

i was more meaning once LA is on the hook for the $250K or whatever it is per year for till like 2031

 

[Reclamation Project]

Toffolli being on a bridge allows LA to bring in Lucic. If we win the cup before TT bridge deal expires hard to argue it not being worthwhile.

Exactly this. Big picture always.

Brown is a glorified version of John Zeiler this season. He barely does anything well. Gaborik has been just as useless as Brown.

Gaborik is on pace for double the goals Brown is though. I still have confidence in Gaborik (especially in the playoffs). Brown is done like that Mike Richards steak.

 

[KINGS17]

i was more meaning once LA is on the hook for the $250K or whatever it is per year for till like 2031

Fair enough, my bad.

 

[YP44]

Fair enough, my bad.

I am sure we will hear about it till then.
Should put a dollar into a pot everyday his cap penalty is mentioned. Than when his deal finally comes off the books take that money and blow it on booze

 

[Ron*]

maybe i'm a pessimist but i still can't quite wrap my head around this Kings team having a young, legit 40 goal scorer

Toffoli has improved frighteningly fast in his short NHL career thus far, can't believe that just a few years ago his projection was along the lines of "top 6 potential"

 

[Esteban Tornado]

Taffoli not gonna get more than 4.5 to 5 mill