2015-2016 Roster Talk: East Coast Thinks We Suck Edition(MOD WARNING) post# 107

[DocWest]

Hey guys, B's fan here.

I saw that tweet saying you guys are looking to resign Lucic. Glad he's doing well for ya. He is fun to have on your team that's for sure.

I'm sure you will be looking to move Gaborik or Brown before anyone else, but if those don't work out would any of your defenseman be available?

Would Muzzin or Martinez be available in the right deal?

I'm lookin for a dance partner for a dman!

No way we move Muzzin. Also A-Mart would be tough to lose based on his price and what he provides for that price. He's a bigger part of our team than most realize.

 

[YP44]

No way we move Muzzin. Also A-Mart would be tough to lose based on his price and what he provides for that price. He's a bigger part of our team than most realize.

agreed. I have posted my fair share of A-Mart proposals but what he brings is worth more than his cap hit. So moving him for cap space is illogical unless over payment of some sort

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This team cannot weather the loss of DD, Muzzin, or Martinez. I can't see ANY of those guys going out. Even then, replacing a #3-#4 d-man will cost more than 4 million.

my thoughts exactly...just wait one week and they will say the same thing about Schenn.

They were talking about extending Schenn the afternoon of the trade.

That's why I believe Greene is done.

 

[Ron*]

Losing muzzin would cause a bigger void than losing Lucic.
Losing A-mart..maybe but only after Schenn or Yandle are signed for less than A-Mart...so not sure how much savings there actually would be there.

IMO only way Lucic can be done is if Brown or Gaborik are moved out.

I can see Martinez retiring in a Kings uniform about 10 years from now.

Just to piss you and other posters off that keep thinking this kid is trade bait. So tired of reading this nonsense on this board.

 

[Ron*]

This team cannot weather the loss of DD, Muzzin, or Martinez. I can't see ANY of those guys going out. Even then, replacing a #3-#4 d-man will cost more than 4 million.



They were talking about extending Schenn the afternoon of the trade.

That's why I believe Greene is done.

You are right, Greene is done.

Also, we need even ANOTHER defenseman, as that 6th spot isn't getting it done (I finally have thrown in the towel on Ehrhoff. As much as I would like to see the guy do well, wishing it isn't going to make it happen. That Ottawa game for me was the final straw.)

 

[Docgonzo]

DL finds a loophole to restructure Browns contract to 2mil a season and Nicole Brown takes a 4mil a season "job" with the front office.

 

[gnarls barkley]

This team cannot weather the loss of DD, Muzzin, or Martinez. I can't see ANY of those guys going out. Even then, replacing a #3-#4 d-man will cost more than 4 million.



They were talking about extending Schenn the afternoon of the trade.

That's why I believe Greene is done.

this is a key point, i know i've railed on this before as well as other folks too - with the way the market is, trying to move or replace Muzzin/AMart is practically guaranteed to be a net loss. There's just no way to get guys of that caliber for 4M cap hits right now, those are two of the best value contracts on the roster and irreplaceable as long as this core has their window open.

I agree, I think Greene is done as well. Seems like we've tapped Schenn to be that replacement, but he may be a higher cap hit than 2.5 at the end of the day.

Lot of decisions to be made, I can't see us retaining Lucic without letting Lewis/Clifford/Nolan (or other bottom six guys) go. Obviously everyone would like to keep Lucic in an ideal world, but it's going to be a real balancing act to actually make that happen.

 

[mrkolice]

i need some help. i wanted to check how individual tois changed after lecavalier and scheen joined the team (i guess in % of team for total, es, pp and pk) but i couldn't find a stats or db site with that "start day" + "end day" filter. any ideas? ps. yea, i know it's a small sample, just curious about it, luke is getting 18:04 per game and vincent is at 12:46 per game, while jordan alone was at 08:07.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

some fun Kings stuff in Friedman's 30 Thoughts, including Sutter sticking around to coach next year, why Lecavalier, and ongoing discussions with Lucic who seems to be part of the leadership group now: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-its-time-to-move-on-from-the-john-scott-saga/

 

[Captain Mittens*]

discussions with Lucic who seems to be part of the leadership group now:

Woo! I hope they are able to sign Looch. He has been great for us

 

[deeshamrock]

Woo! I hope they are able to sign Looch. He has been great for us

Perhaps but per DL, not pursuing that now. For most of the reasons that have been brought up. When asked after the Kopitar deal was done, whether he was focusing on negotiating a deal with Lucic, his reply.

"I don't want to focus on anything like that right now," Lombardi told ESPN's Craig Custance. "This team has good chemistry."

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/los160119.html

I think he knows what Lucic and his agent are asking and he's eyeing the CAP going forward and esp Toffoli, whose rising star status and goal production will net him Taresenko money, 7-8M per. Then there are the other contracts next year.

I think he'll take his time, eye the horizon and wait.

 

[gnarls barkley]

Perhaps but per DL, not pursuing that now. For most of the reasons that have been brought up. When asked after the Kopitar deal was done, whether he was focusing on negotiating a deal with Lucic, his reply.



http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/los160119.html

I think he knows what Lucic and his agent are asking and he's eyeing the CAP going forward and esp Toffoli, whose rising star status and goal production will net him Taresenko money, 7-8M per. Then there are the other contracts next year.

I think he'll take his time, eye the horizon and wait.

you think Toffoli will demand 8M? I know he's in line for a big pay day, but I thought something like 7x7 would be where it topped out. Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly haven't really looked at his comparables too closely.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Something that has flown under the radar...

“No doubt I’ll get something done here,” Sutter said Monday. “We’ve talked a little, but they’ve been focussed on (Anze) Kopitar.”

“I’ll be coaching here next year.”

Great news.

 

[YP44]

I can see Martinez retiring in a Kings uniform about 10 years from now.

Just to piss you and other posters off that keep thinking this kid is trade bait. So tired of reading this nonsense on this board.

wouldn't piss me off. I just think that he would not be as big of a loss as Muzzin, do not see how Gaborik or Brown get moved, so his deal would be the only one possibly moved if LA needs the space. Sort of a last resort sort of thing.
I would be very happy if he retires a king

 

[jfont]

So, as I understand this, Gaborik's contract can be brought out but it won't be counted against the cap?

How about D Brown? I'm pretty sure his will count if brought out so the only way to get rid of his contract is through a trade...

(I'm not advocating this to happen, I'm just curious)

 

[deeshamrock]

you think Toffoli will demand 8M? I know he's in line for a big pay day, but I thought something like 7x7 would be where it topped out. Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly haven't really looked at his comparables too closely.

the 7-8 M is what I estimated based on Tarasenko, who is similar in age and output/goal production and has a recent LTC, 7.5 per x 8 He's a winger and that is what TT's agent will use as a measuring stick.

 

[YP44]

you think Toffoli will demand 8M? I know he's in line for a big pay day, but I thought something like 7x7 would be where it topped out. Maybe I'm wrong, I honestly haven't really looked at his comparables too closely.

I think alot can happen in the next two years that will effect his contract. The cap first and foremost, expansion and its effect on the cap, what deals are signed to equivalent talent between now and then, and obviously the hopefully continued development of TT.
Too early IMO to start looking ahead but I doubt $7-8M/yr for 7-8 years is out to lunch

 

[YP44]

So, as I understand this, Gaborik's contract can be brought out but it won't be counted against the cap?

How about D Brown? I'm pretty sure his will count if brought out so the only way to get rid of his contract is through a trade...

(I'm not advocating this to happen, I'm just curious)

What's this now? How can LA buy out Gaborik with no cap hit? Who told you these things?

 

[KopitarFAN]

So, as I understand this, Gaborik's contract can be brought out but it won't be counted against the cap?

How about D Brown? I'm pretty sure his will count if brought out so the only way to get rid of his contract is through a trade...

(I'm not advocating this to happen, I'm just curious)

Where did you hear that? Only way buyouts don't count is compliance buyouts, and those won't be available again until after the next work stoppage in 20-21.

 

[jfont]

What's this now? How can LA buy out Gaborik with no cap hit? Who told you these things?

I read somewhere that if you are over 30 and get a multi-year deal that if you get brought out, it does not count against the cap. Is that correct? I am just curious...

 

[jfont]

Where did you hear that? Only way buyouts don't count is compliance buyouts, and those won't be available again until after the next work stoppage in 20-21.

Oh, okay...
Thanks...

 

[Johnny Utah]

the 7-8 M is what I estimated based on Tarasenko, who is similar in age and output/goal production and has a recent LTC, 7.5 per x 8 He's a winger and that is what TT's agent will use as a measuring stick.

Tarasenko came in with huge hype, was the 16 overall in the 1st round and already scored 37 goals. He was a star in Russia before he came to US. He's a star 1st line player.

Toffoli is just showing this year he can be a 1st line player and not really a star yet.

Also, I think because of Cap issues and being a little selfless, Toffoli will take less.

 

[tsanuri]

Tarasenko came in with huge hype, was the 16 overall in the 1st round and already scored 37 goals. He was a star in Russia before he came to US. He's a star 1st line player.

Toffoli is just showing this year he can be a 1st line player and not really a star yet.

Also, I think because of Cap issues and being a little selfless, Toffoli will take less.

The parallels between them are just scary and if they continue he'll get the same contract.
2 years before the contract Tarasenko scored 21 goals the year before it he scored 37.
Toffoli scored 23 last year he's on pace to score more than that 37. If you just look at it from what he'll do this year then the following he'll be ahead.
Add to the fact that Toffoli is a year younger a $7.5M deal isn't out of the realm. Of course would like to see it lower but that is what it is really.

 

[KINGS17]

The parallels between them are just scary and if they continue he'll get the same contract.
2 years before the contract Tarasenko scored 21 goals the year before it he scored 37.
Toffoli scored 23 last year he's on pace to score more than that 37. If you just look at it from what he'll do this year then the following he'll be ahead.
Add to the fact that Toffoli is a year younger a $7.5M deal isn't out of the realm. Of course would like to see it lower but that is what it is really.

This is where the failure to use the compliance buyout on Richards, along with the uncertainty of the Voynov situation, and the upcoming Kopitar contract really hurt.

Dean could have probably bought some of Toffoli's UFA years at a discount had he acted last summer on that idea. Something like maybe 7 years, and $35M total might have gotten it done. Now the key to getting Toffoli re-signed may be in dealing Brown's contract, let alone Lucic.

Given the current economic and cap conditions I don't see how the Kings fit everyone that makes the big bucks under the cap.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

This is where the failure to use the compliance buyout on Richards, along with the uncertainty of the Voynov situation, and the upcoming Kopitar contract really hurt.

Dean could have probably bought some of Toffoli's UFA years at a discount had he acted last summer on that idea. Something like maybe 7 years, and $35M total might have gotten it done. Now the key to getting Toffoli re-signed may be in dealing Brown's contract, let alone Lucic.

Given the current economic and cap conditions I don't see how the Kings fit everyone that makes the big bucks under the cap.

I think a bridge deal was perfect for Toffoli though, both agent and club wanted to see what player he was, there's a big difference between a 25g scorer and a 40g scorer at the NHL level and he hadn't quite put it together vs. tougher checkers quite like he has thus far. I'm just ignoring your point for the illustration that I don't think Toffoli's situation was dictated only by the current contracts.