Speculation: 2015 - 2016 New York Rangers Roster Building Thread Part XX

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Great news. Hope Stalberg is right behind him. Hope they hit the MSG Training Center next week and the beat writers/Cerny get some photos/videos on twitter for us. I have a great feeling about the team this year. I really believe the roster is better/deeper than last.

I'm right there with you. Hearing from the players they sound super pissed when they get asked about getting eliminated in game 7. Hopefully everyone brings that fire day 1!

 

[Raspewtin]

I give a ****. It's interesting and funny that Rust's gf is a Pens fan. Must be lots of animosity.

I'd love to date a girl who was a Devils/Isles/Flyers fan or something. Would keep things interesting for sure.

I give a **** too. That sounds funny, as long as there's no playoff series'.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Tension head to head. But a fan of the Rangers now if they're not playing. She's turning to the dark side.

Thats what I'm trying to do but all those cups are in the way.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

RIP thread XX

 

[CupWindow]

I think I've taken a wrong turn somewhere. I was looking for a hockey discussion and somehow found a group therapy session where we take turns talking about each others girlfriends.

What the hell happened.

See you guys at the next counsel meeting.

 

[haveandare]

I think I've taken a wrong turn somewhere. I was looking for a hockey discussion and somehow found a group therapy session where we take turns talking about each others girlfriends.

What the hell happened.

See you guys at the next counsel meeting.

Posting nonsense is really bringing that hockey conversation along.

Glass houses, rocks, etc

 

[CupWindow]

Posting nonsense is really bringing that hockey conversation along.

Glass houses, rocks, etc

Some call it nonsense others call it logic.

Po-tay-to. Po-tah-to

 

[Mac n Gs]

Some call it nonsense others call it logic.

Po-tay-to. Po-tah-to

I mean I was trying to have a discussion with you about the metrics of our defense, why I think they're flawed, and how they can improve similar to my conversation with Mikos last night, but this thread got thrown waaaaaay off topic.

 

[Mikos87]

I mean I was trying to have a discussion with you about the metrics of our defense, why I think they're flawed, and how they can improve similar to my conversation with Mikos last night, but this thread got thrown waaaaaay off topic.

Well when you have a collection of group thinkers that proselytize the same message repeatedly around the clock for months on end, you get what you get.

 

[NYRKING30]

Listen, I'm 26 years old and while I was still in my adolescent ages from 98-2004, those were some dark, dark days as a diehard Rangers fan. I followed every last article/detail out there, watched every minute of every game. I wept over the team and yet I came back every year during those 7 years without making the playoffs. Because you love the team. You bleed blue. You love the game, you even play the game to whatever level until you can't cut it anymore at least competitively.

So for me to sit here and listen ALL SUMMER LONG to what are supposed to be "Rangers FANS" bash the team, more specifically the defense....and even more specifically Dan Girardi...is absolute ********. It really is. Because many of you 18-22 year olds don't remember those dark days. No recollection of them, they're just a blur from when you were a young child. But for me they are as clear as day still. The piss poor signings each offseason throwing money at guys past their prime, making all these empty promises for the fan base. Underperformance one after another. Seeing us having to trade Kovalev TWICE, trade Graves, and even trade Brian Leetch. It was a travesty. Leetch should have retired a Ranger instead of being rented out. Playing in NY he should've been able to play on competitive teams throughout his career. It was disgusting seeing him in a Leafs and Bruins jersey. Heartbreaking.

And yet I have to hear some pompous human being belittle Dan Girardi because he has some flaws in his game by advanced stats metrics? GTFO. The same Dan Girardi who has been part of the rebirth of this organization, that has seen the light at the end of the tunnel and shown the Rangers fan base what winning and going to the playoffs feels like again. He has been part of rosters that have made it to 2 ECF's (two games from an SCF and last year one game) and one SCF. It is utterly ridiculous. The guy has to be doing something right. No matter what the stats say. You wan a tell me yeah wish G would improve in this area or he just isn't as good in that area of his game, fine. But to make jokes that he is barely an NHL defenseman...grow up. In fact go through the NHL archives and watch every game from the 7 seasons when this team didn't know the playoffs existed. You think this Rangers team is bad? This defense? Ha-ha. You wouldn't bother watching hockey again after being exposed to what essentially was a plague.



Can training camp start already...or at least players report early. We need something else to talk about.

THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! Hit the nail on the head and its why I have been off these boards this Summer it just gets ridiculous around here. You would think we missed the playoffs the past 5 seasons with some posters. I am 25 and remember those years vividly (Dale Purinton,Rich Pylon,Brian Skrudland,etc).

 

[NYRKING30]

On the bright side we are 2 weeks away from seeing the kids play in Traverse City, I am praying MSG will be airing it like they did a few years ago. I need it. This board desperately needs it.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

THANK YOU!! THANK YOU!! Hit the nail on the head and its why I have been off these boards this Summer it just gets ridiculous around here. You would think we missed the playoffs the past 5 seasons with some posters. I am 25 and remember those years vividly (Dale Purinton,Rich Pylon,Brian Skrudland,etc).

Right there with you, I'm 25 as well. Formative years as a fan were the dark ages. Me as a kid obsessively watching every single game and reading every newspaper article and website post and such.

That's why, even if I agree with criticism of a player like Girardi to a point, it does get a bit tiresome and hyperbolic when people start acting like he's the worst defenseman ever and such. He has his flaws, those are well documented. He's still a key member of the team and honestly, I really like Girardi, despite his flaws.

Especially the guys on twitter who post endlessly about Girardi and how he's awful and it's all greatly exaggerated.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Right there with you, I'm 25 as well. Formative years as a fan were the dark ages. Me as a kid obsessively watching every single game and reading every newspaper article and website post and such.

That's why, even if I agree with criticism of a player like Girardi to a point, it does get a bit tiresome and hyperbolic when people start acting like he's the worst defenseman ever and such. He has his flaws, those are well documented. He's still a key member of the team and honestly, I really like Girardi, despite his flaws.

Especially the guys on twitter who post endlessly about Girardi and how he's awful and it's all greatly exaggerated.

Besides having just average mobility and skill, what exact flaws of his are well documented?

 

[eco's bones]

I'm a Girardi fan but FWIW it's very possible that by the time his current contract expires in 2020 he's going to have outlived his usefulness.

Right now he is a useful player and absolutely worth his cap hit--at least in my eyes.

The joke here is that a President's trophy winning team that's won 5 playoff series in the past two years is regarded by some of our own posters as being worse as per our defensive corps than teams that don't even make the playoffs. It's ****ing odd--really ****ing odd--maybe bizarre is a better word. Yeah I know Lundqvist blah blah blah but last year it was almost as much Talbot as it was Lundqvist. What's the explanation for that? People can believe whatever the **** they want though. If they want to think the Jets and Stars and Penguins have better defenses it's a free ****ing country--at least relatively free.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Listen, I'm 26 years old and while I was still in my adolescent ages from 98-2004, those were some dark, dark days as a diehard Rangers fan. I followed every last article/detail out there, watched every minute of every game. I wept over the team and yet I came back every year during those 7 years without making the playoffs. Because you love the team. You bleed blue. You love the game, you even play the game to whatever level until you can't cut it anymore at least competitively.

So for me to sit here and listen ALL SUMMER LONG to what are supposed to be "Rangers FANS" bash the team, more specifically the defense....and even more specifically Dan Girardi...is absolute ********. It really is. Because many of you 18-22 year olds don't remember those dark days. No recollection of them, they're just a blur from when you were a young child. But for me they are as clear as day still. The piss poor signings each offseason throwing money at guys past their prime, making all these empty promises for the fan base. Underperformance one after another. Seeing us having to trade Kovalev TWICE, trade Graves, and even trade Brian Leetch. It was a travesty. Leetch should have retired a Ranger instead of being rented out. Playing in NY he should've been able to play on competitive teams throughout his career. It was disgusting seeing him in a Leafs and Bruins jersey. Heartbreaking.

And yet I have to hear some pompous human being belittle Dan Girardi because he has some flaws in his game by advanced stats metrics? GTFO. The same Dan Girardi who has been part of the rebirth of this organization, that has seen the light at the end of the tunnel and shown the Rangers fan base what winning and going to the playoffs feels like again. He has been part of rosters that have made it to 2 ECF's (two games from an SCF and last year one game) and one SCF. It is utterly ridiculous. The guy has to be doing something right. No matter what the stats say. You wan a tell me yeah wish G would improve in this area or he just isn't as good in that area of his game, fine. But to make jokes that he is barely an NHL defenseman...grow up. In fact go through the NHL archives and watch every game from the 7 seasons when this team didn't know the playoffs existed. You think this Rangers team is bad? This defense? Ha-ha. You wouldn't bother watching hockey again after being exposed to what essentially was a plague.



Can training camp start already...or at least players report early. We need something else to talk about.

Bravo.

 

[hi]

Besides having just average mobility and skill, what exact flaws of his are well documented?

Asthma

 

[NYRKING30]

Right there with you, I'm 25 as well. Formative years as a fan were the dark ages. Me as a kid obsessively watching every single game and reading every newspaper article and website post and such.

That's why, even if I agree with criticism of a player like Girardi to a point, it does get a bit tiresome and hyperbolic when people start acting like he's the worst defenseman ever and such. He has his flaws, those are well documented. He's still a key member of the team and honestly, I really like Girardi, despite his flaws.

Especially the guys on twitter who post endlessly about Girardi and how he's awful and it's all greatly exaggerated.

Well put my first memories as a fan was basically remembering Messier lift the cup although I was only 4, My brother who was 9 at the time started watching that playoff run and became a fan forever. I followed his footsteps like most little brothers want to be like and look up to their elder brother. Started watching as a diehard fan from 95 until today, I have prob not missed more then 30 games tops these past 20 years.

It is funny how people like to criticize Girardi meanwhile say he didn't sign he would be a Trade Deadline target for pretty much every time that is a buyer on deadline day. He is one of those guys other players,coaches,execs etc call a Pro's pro and just the type of player to solidify a cup contending defense depending where he lands would determine what pair he is on. He certainly has his flaws and is slightly overpaid and prob maybe shouldn't be on the 1st pair anymore. He is still a top 4 dman and certainly not worthless like some here suggest.

I love most of the new fancy stats but they certainly skew peoples perception about a player and now want to build a team strictly out of how there advance stats stack up, which certainly will never win a cup. This isn't Baseball.

 

[Raspewtin]

I'm a Girardi fan but FWIW it's very possible that by the time his current contract expires in 2020 he's going to have outlived his usefulness.

Right now he is a useful player and absolutely worth his cap hit--at least in my eyes.

Well, 2020 is still a ways away and a lot can change by then.

The joke here is that a President's trophy winning team that's won 5 playoff series in the past two years is regarded by some of our own posters as being worse as per our defensive corps than teams that don't even make the playoffs. It's ****ing odd--really ****ing odd--maybe bizarre is a better word.

Dallas are a better offensive team than the Rangers and didn't make the playoffs. How does making the playoffs throw such a wrench into comparing a specific part of two teams? The Rangers won the PT, are they better than every team in the NHL at everything then?

Yeah I know Lundqvist blah blah blah but last year it was almost as much Talbot as it was Lundqvist. What's the explanation for that? People can believe whatever the **** they want though. If they want to think the Jets and Stars and Penguins have better defenses it's a free ****ing country--at least relatively free.

Why is everybody so vehemently against the fact that Cam Talbot is just an excellent goaltender and it's not the Rangers' defense that made him look good?

 

[NYRKING30]

I'm a Girardi fan but FWIW it's very possible that by the time his current contract expires in 2020 he's going to have outlived his usefulness.

Right now he is a useful player and absolutely worth his cap hit--at least in my eyes.

The joke here is that a President's trophy winning team that's won 5 playoff series in the past two years is regarded by some of our own posters as being worse as per our defensive corps than teams that don't even make the playoffs. It's ****ing odd--really ****ing odd--maybe bizarre is a better word. Yeah I know Lundqvist blah blah blah but last year it was almost as much Talbot as it was Lundqvist. What's the explanation for that? People can believe whatever the **** they want though. If they want to think the Jets and Stars and Penguins have better defenses it's a free ****ing country--at least relatively free.

Wait,What? . Let me guess,because Advanced Stats say so right. Wow.

 

[Raspewtin]

Right there with you, I'm 25 as well. Formative years as a fan were the dark ages. Me as a kid obsessively watching every single game and reading every newspaper article and website post and such.

That's why, even if I agree with criticism of a player like Girardi to a point, it does get a bit tiresome and hyperbolic when people start acting like he's the worst defenseman ever and such. He has his flaws, those are well documented. He's still a key member of the team and honestly, I really like Girardi, despite his flaws.

What part of "there are people that actually think he's terrible" is so hyperbolic? I don't think he's one of the worst D in the NHL. Most reasonable people don't think he's one of the worst. But, his role, with his salary, are absolutely contributing factors to judgments regarding him. If he made 2 million to play as a #5 I wouldn't give a ****. But he isn't.

Especially the guys on twitter who post endlessly about Girardi and how he's awful and it's all greatly exaggerated.

Greatly exaggerated? As if, there's one whole truth and anybody strongly deviating from it are exaggerating? How does that make any sense? Skillsets of an NHL player are extremely subjective. There are people that think Girardi is a top shutdown D in the NHL. There are people that think he should have a norris by now. And there are people who think he's not even a top 4 defenseman. Attempting to balance your opinion (this isn't directed towards you) by trying to squeeze inbetween two different sides, doesn't make the opinion any more rational or correct. Some people think Tanner Glass is a strong 4th line player, some think he doesn't belong in the NHL, is the opinion of "he's a decent 4th line player" any more correct because it's not on one side of the spectrum?

Wait,What? . Let me guess,because Advanced Stats say so right. Wow.

Numbers can't talk in case you were wondering.

 

[Raspewtin]

It is funny how people like to criticize Girardi meanwhile say he didn't sign he would be a Trade Deadline target for pretty much every time that is a buyer on deadline day. He is one of those guys other players,coaches,execs etc call a Pro's pro and just the type of player to solidify a cup contending defense depending where he lands would determine what pair he is on. He certainly has his flaws and is slightly overpaid and prob maybe shouldn't be on the 1st pair anymore. He is still a top 4 dman and certainly not worthless like some here suggest.

There were a lot of askers for Andrew MacDonald at the TDL last year before Philly (lmfao) scooped him up. He must be pretty valuable and good too.

I love most of the new fancy stats but they certainly skew peoples perception about a player and now want to build a team strictly out of how there advance stats stack up, which certainly will never win a cup. This isn't Baseball.

Brand new criticism that hasn't been debunked 45,000 times. Yep.

And for "they don't build cups", the Chicago Blackhawks would disagree

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings

 

[NYRKING30]

There were a lot of askers for Andrew MacDonald at the TDL last year before Philly (lmfao) scooped him up. He must be pretty valuable and good too.



Brand new criticism that hasn't been debunked 45,000 times. Yep.

And for "they don't build cups", the Chicago Blackhawks would disagree

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/12331388/the-great-analytics-rankings

.We get it you hate Girardi and should be playing for Mystery Alaska its been stated 45,000 times.Except in 2009, The Blackhawks already had most of their 2010 on the roster already. So I guess the LA Kings and Boston Bruins would disagree. Like I said Love most of the new stats and do help in some areas, but it seems you make it the first,second, and final arguments in your posts, as you are certainly entitled to.

 

[CupWindow]

Asthma

Thank you for the laugh

 

[Raspewtin]

.We get it you hate Girardi and should be playing for Mystery Alaska its been stated 45,000 times.Except in 2009, The Blackhawks already had most of their 2010 on the roster already. So I guess the LA Kings and Boston Bruins would disagree. Like I said Love most of the new stats and do help in some areas, but it seems you make it the first,second, and final arguments in your posts, as you are certainly entitled to.

Boston and LA are considered "strong believers" so........

And Chicago won 2 cups after 2010 with big roster turnover..

 

[NYRKING30]

What part of "there are people that actually think he's terrible" is so hyperbolic? I don't think he's one of the worst D in the NHL. Most reasonable people don't think he's one of the worst. But, his role, with his salary, are absolutely contributing factors to judgments regarding him. If he made 2 million to play as a #5 I wouldn't give a ****. But he isn't.



Greatly exaggerated? As if, there's one whole truth and anybody strongly deviating from it are exaggerating? How does that make any sense? Skillsets of an NHL player are extremely subjective. There are people that think Girardi is a top shutdown D in the NHL. There are people that think he should have a norris by now. And there are people who think he's not even a top 4 defenseman. Attempting to balance your opinion (this isn't directed towards you) by trying to squeeze inbetween two different sides, doesn't make the opinion any more rational or correct. Some people think Tanner Glass is a strong 4th line player, some think he doesn't belong in the NHL, is the opinion of "he's a decent 4th line player" any more correct because it's not on one side of the spectrum?



Numbers can't talk in case you were wondering.

And Water is wet.